Author Topic: I have been thinking..... (Read 1450 times)

Dawn · « **on:** February 16, 2007, 11:33:07 AM »

I think that the Popes from John XXIII to the current occupant, Benedict XVI are Sede and know they are not true popes. Here is why, not one of them has ever spoken Ex Cathedra. Nothing ever to risk the wrath of the Holy Spirit. Again, I say that they are aware of the fact that they are teaching thoughts and ideas alien to Catholic thinking, Forget alien and call it what it is HERETICAL. They are busy trying to balance between starting their new religion of brotherly love and equality, and freedom to be you and me with no regrets. They know that they teach falsehoods and that they are robber barons and that is why they never impose anything upon us and just when it is possibe that the people might shake of the fog and say, whoa did he just bow to Mecca? He comes out with some some words about, abortion is evil and everyone goes back to Novus Ordo LaLa land. Really, the very least a Catholic Pope should is that abortion is evil-a real no brainer.
By what they do and fail to do they show themselves for what they are, "Robber Barons."

gilbertgea · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2007, 04:37:09 PM »

I disagree that John XXIII+ are not popes. They might be heretics, but they are nonetheless popes.

Ancilla_Indigna · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2007, 04:39:18 PM »

what constitutes an "anti"-pope?

Dawn · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2007, 05:06:16 PM »

Well, they are in the Chair of Peter, but, as heretics should not be there. Seat warmers fine, Real Pontiffs of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Nope. A heretic automatically ceases to be true Pontiff.

CampeadorShin · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2007, 05:22:19 PM »

Formal or material?

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2007, 05:33:18 PM »

Quote from: CampeadorShin

Formal or material?

I think Dawn believes materially John XXIII+ have been popes but not formally, if that is correct, Dawn?

Are you a sedeprivationist in that case then, Dawn?

gilbertgea · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:31:01 PM »

'A heretic automatically ceases to be true Pontiff.'

(Oh boy. Here we go...)

No, he does not.

CampeadorShin · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:32:13 PM »

Ceases to be Catholic. But looses position?

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:35:04 PM »

Dawn · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:44:03 PM »

What is a Sedeprivationist exactly? If you cease to be Catholic how can you be the pope? When they finally institute the one world religion and the insanity of collegiality is taken to its furthest extreme and perhaps as we now see the Pontiff on an equal plane with his bishops we shall see the brotherhood of collegiality and we can have Billy Graham, the Dali Lama, a few Imans and throw in a couple of topless African voodoo priestesses governing the Church alongside Benedict then will we finally state that there is a problem or will we wonder is that material or formal heresy which has been discussed to death by persons far more qualified than I am to explain. You can sit and wonder if it is a real heresy or not so much that you are rendered unable to make a decision. I think that any time Peter and Paul spoke they spoke clearly and did not debate something to death. How many more souls wil lbe lost while people dialogue on what dind of heresy this new false teachings are? It is clear that the Holy Spirit is doing exactly what Christ taught that these clowns will not destroy the Church as He is at the helm. And, when it is the correct time He will correct the situation and we will have a true pontiff. It could turn out that Benedict does some extreme Mea Culpas and is the one chosen to turn the ship around, I hope so and pray for him. Goodness only knows if a sinner like I was and still am can improve anybody can.

CampeadorShin · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:53:09 PM »

When they institute the One World Religion, their will be rebellions everywhere.

They're setting up a police state around us before they lose control. But they don't have the loyalty of their minions.

I guess they'll try to get us to kill each other and come in to look like the hero who saves the day.

Dawn · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:02:25 PM »

Campy I think that the One World Religion is a done deal. The Church is planning on all sorts of ecuмeniacal nonsense this lent. That Zenit report of them coming up with a New bible combining three religions says alot. And there will be a few that will fight, but the rest forget about it. After all baseball season is starting and if the sheeple come out of their stupor they will flash another picture of Anna Nicole Smith and the will go back in their haze. Benedict has been so successful in "razing the bastions of the Church" since his early days as a weasel at the council that was not a council that most people do not know that there is any difference between Churches and it is very dividing for anyone to even think that Catholics could be right and that not everyone is saved. Nope, not even our "Brothers" the protestants. No, most Catholics in the pews have never heard that Outside of the Church there is not Hope for Salvation. Then of course having the last two pontiffs run around kissing Quaran's and getting blessings from pagans how could they know?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2007, 08:15:44 PM »

Quote from: gilbertgea

They might be heretics, but they are nonetheless popes.

If they are/were public heretics, it would be impossible for them to be Popes. One who is no longer a member of a society cannot possibly be its head.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2007, 08:19:23 PM »

Quote from: gilbertgea

No, he does not.

gilbertgea, do you have anything in the way of an actual explanation? How about a public versus an occult heretic? Is the effect of occult heresy the same as it is for public heresy?