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Offline Stubborn

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Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2019, 05:51:23 AM »
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    • This thread has some good info on SSPV.
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #16 on: February 18, 2019, 09:41:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on February 17, 2019, 03:58:40 PM
    I attend the SSPV AMA (ask me anything) I see a lot of people calling it cult like and I disagree so AMA. Also, happy septuagesima. ✝️
    How does the SSPV handle the questions surrounding the consecration by +Mendez of +Kelly as were cited in an older thread referenced by Stubborn? And the take by Father Cekada here :  http://www.fathercekada.com/2001/09/11/bp-mendez-sspv-and-hypocrisy/  
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    Offline Banezian

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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #17 on: February 18, 2019, 03:16:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on February 17, 2019, 10:44:50 PM
    What are the rules for receiving the Eucharist at SSPV Masses? Are SSPX faithful welcome to communion?

    I’ll show u a picture of the bulletin that explains it all. In the video series “what catholic believe” they never really talk bad about lefebvre because without him, there would really be no more priest/latin masses left. "The Son of God became a Man for our sake. To redeem us He died upon the cross. To re-present His bloody sacrifice of the cross in an unbloody manner, to memorialize it until the end of time and to apply its fruits, He instituted the New Testament priesthood and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It is this priesthood and this Mass that the reformers have tried to take from us. But God has not allowed them to be completely successful. I have no doubt myself that He raised up Archbishop Lefebvre to contribute to the continuation of the priesthood and the true Mass. And now by God's mercy we also are in a position to help contribute to the continuation of the priesthood and the true Mass. For this we are grateful to him and to the late Bishop Alfred Mendez who, as one priest said, took a 'most courageous step for the preservation of our holy Catholic Faith in this age of modernism.'"- Bishop Kelly SSPV. If u go to one of the chapels or churches you should talk to the priest before receiving. I personally believe the sspv is the best place to go to mass because the CMRI and thuc line people have a bad past and such, the sspx is too close to the modernist, the resistance is too hard to find, and the fssp has novus ordo bs. The sspv doesn’t make their parishioners hold sedevacantism and idk if every priest is a sede. People call it “cult like” but in this situation we are in, we have to be safe against the modern problems. I have encountered 0 wierd activity and believe the sspv is great.
    I’m glad they bar Feeneyite heretics from communion. Good for them!
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #18 on: February 18, 2019, 03:27:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on February 18, 2019, 03:16:03 PM
    I’m glad they bar Feeneyite heretics from communion. Good for them!


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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #19 on: February 19, 2019, 01:01:02 AM »
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    • Approximately how many families are registered in your church?
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #20 on: February 19, 2019, 07:33:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on February 17, 2019, 10:33:13 PM
    What are the rules for receiving the Eucharist at SSPV Masses? Are SSPX faithful welcome to communion?
    I go to the SSPV too. Their rules for Communion are:


    1) Fasting from solid food and alcohol for 3 hours


    2) Fasting from liquids besides water for 1 hour


    3) Be in the state of grace, having made a Confession to a Traditional Priest if necessary


    4) Not have a marriage annulment from the Novus Ordo


    5) Not be baptized in the Novus Ordo after 1970 unless you have proof (i.e., video footage) that the matter and form of your Novus Ordo baptism was done correctly.


    6) Cannot go to the Masses of any Priests or Bishops of the Thuc line, or any Priests who are friendly (they would say "in communion") with them, even if those Priests are not themselves of the Thuc line.


    7) Cannot hold the teachings of Fr. Leonard Feeney.


    8-Hold to all of the Traditional moral teachings of the Catholic Church, especially regarding marriage and purity.


    9) Not attend the FSSP or other actual Novus Ordo traditional-leaning groups that are part of the Novus Ordo structure.
    I think that's it. I don't think I'm forgetting any of the rules.


    Regarding the SSPX, SSPV Priests do allow you to go to them. They don't think it's the best idea, but they won't deny you communion for going to SSPX Masses, and they won't deny SSPX people communion either. They would say to stay away from any of the Novus Ordo-convert Priests in the SSPX who have not been conditionally ordained though.
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #21 on: February 19, 2019, 08:14:53 AM »
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    • FWIW, the SSPV have no business making such rules. The Church's rule is you must be in the state of grace - period. 

    A sign *asking* that those people who are "new to tradition" see the priest prior to receiving communion is proper, but not what they have. Not sure even that'd work with SSPV though since some of those rules are of their own making and are altogether wrong. They will most assuredly answer for their presumptuous stupidity in the matter.  

       
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #22 on: February 19, 2019, 08:55:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on February 19, 2019, 08:14:53 AM
    FWIW, the SSPV have no business making such rules. The Church's rule is you must be in the state of grace - period.  

    A sign *asking* that those people who are "new to tradition" see the priest prior to receiving communion is proper, but not what they have. Not sure even that'd work with SSPV though since some of those rules are of their own making and are altogether wrong. They will most assuredly answer for their presumptuous stupidity in the matter.  

      
    That’s actually false, there are rules in cannon law that allow you to exclude people from communion. Cannon 853
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #23 on: February 19, 2019, 09:24:00 AM »
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    • Canon 853 (1917 Code): Any baptized person who is not forbidden by law may and must be admitted to holy communion.
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #24 on: February 19, 2019, 09:47:58 AM »
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    • Much of the information BOTHY posted by Fr. Cekada was new and unsettling to me: I had no idea there were so many questions surrounding the validity of Bishop Kelly’s consecration.

    I had heard the objection of secrecy in the past (and thought that was resolved by subsequent pics), but nothing regarding objections/doubts about the mental capacity of the bishop who consecrated him.

    Also, the pre-1970 baptism requirement seems strange and somewhat contradictory (ie., implicitly, it seems to evince a discomfort with baptism of desire, even as it precludes Feneyites from Communion for presumably the same discomfort).
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #25 on: February 19, 2019, 10:11:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: X on February 19, 2019, 09:47:58 AM
    Much of the information BOTHY posted by Fr. Cekada was new and unsettling to me: I had no idea there were so many questions surrounding the validity of Bishop Kelly’s consecration.

    I had heard the objection of secrecy in the past (and thought that was resolved by subsequent pics), but nothing regarding objections/doubts about the mental capacity of the bishop who consecrated him.

    Also, the pre-1970 baptism requirement seems strange and somewhat contradictory (ie., implicitly, it seems to evince a discomfort with baptism of desire, even as it precludes Feneyites from Communion for presumably the same discomfort).
    Fr. Cekada in subsequent years has accepted Bishop Kelly's episcopal consecration.
    The pre-1970 baptism thing has nothing to do with Baptism of Desire. You need to be validly sacramentally baptized to be given Holy Communion. You can't receive any of the sacraments of the living without Baptism first. Fr. Jenkins actually gave a VERY good talk on Baptism of Desire on their Youtube page, what it is and what it IS NOT: 

    I don't agree with them about conditionally baptizing people if they were baptized in the NO post-1970, since the actual NO rite for baptism is certainly valid in its matter and form (even the SSPV Priests would agree with that I think), but I do see their point. They mainly push that because so many NO sacraments are done "willy-nilly" with no concern for proper matter and form, the SSPV Priests just want to be sure for the person's own sake. Also, they don't across the board require that you be conditionally baptized if you were baptized in the NO post-1970, just that you bring it to the attention of the Priest before receiving Holy Communion so the Priest can look into it. I recently heard an SSPV Priest tell a convert though that unless you have some type of proof your baptism was done validly in the NO (video footage being the best proof) than they prefer to conditionally baptize.
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #26 on: February 19, 2019, 12:33:07 PM »
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    • No one can make the reception of communion, conditional upon compliance to rules specific-to-their-sect. Who do they think they are anyway?

    If they feel they must be posting something, then it necessarily must say something along the lines of:

    "The Holy Roman Catholic Church teaches that one receives communion sacrilegiously when:"

    Here, they would need a mile long list to list all the different ways one might receive communion sacrilegiously - and in vain, hope they did not miss one - then after the list, they should probably add: "If any of these apply to you, the Church, under pain of grave mortal sin, forbids you to receive communion until you have been forgiven by the priest in Confession", or words to that effect.

    But make no mistake, it is in no way, shape or form right for them to do what they're doing with their "rules for the reception of communion in this chapel". I'm surprised they don't make everyone who enters sign a contract first.


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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #27 on: February 19, 2019, 11:57:49 PM »
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    • does your community have a school?
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #28 on: February 20, 2019, 07:14:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on February 19, 2019, 11:57:49 PM
    does your community have a school?
    The SSPV locations that have schools are Minnesota, Cincinnati, OH, and Oyster Bay Cove, NY
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    Re: I attend the SSPV AMA
    « Reply #29 on: February 20, 2019, 09:59:03 AM »
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    • Anywhere sensible.

    Never the Novus Ordo since 1977.
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