Author Topic: I Am Needing help on LaSalette! (Read 6211 times)

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2015, 05:39:28 PM »

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Merry, I have a copy of The Holy Mountain of La Sallette by Most Rev William Ullathorne, Archbishop of Birmingham who visited La Sallette in 1854.

:applause: No surprise Nadir!

Green Scapular · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2015, 07:21:52 PM »

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The "Rome will become the Seat of the Anti-Christ" comment was apparently not in the original secret written down by Melanie.

http://www.sspxasia.com/Newsletters/2003/Jul-Dec/Secret_of_La_Salette.htm

I skimmed the link and did not see what you are alluding to.

Don't know how you could miss it. Simply read the translations of the children's writings in the above link, and you will not find that comment about Rome being or becoming the " Seat of the Anti-Christ".

roscoe · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2015, 09:45:56 PM »

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Our Lady says "Rome" and not the Pope. Luther asserted that it was Pope as Pope.

I would imagine that Luther-- at various times :detective:referred to both Rome &/or the Pope as anti-christ....

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2015, 10:05:40 AM »

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The "Rome will become the Seat of the Anti-Christ" comment was apparently not in the original secret written down by Melanie.

http://www.sspxasia.com/Newsletters/2003/Jul-Dec/Secret_of_La_Salette.htm

I skimmed the link and did not see what you are alluding to.

Don't know how you could miss it. Simply read the translations of the children's writings in the above link, and you will not find that comment about Rome being or becoming the " Seat of the Anti-Christ".

What makes SSPX the authority on La Salette?

Matthew 18:6

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But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.

For decades, notwithstanding the fact that there have been false suits against the Church as a means to get rich, Rome and the Conciliar popes have protected child predator clerics at the expense of children. fαɢɢօtry, pedophilia and, reportedly, Satanism, is deep in the halls of the Vatican. Look at the statue in the Paul VI Audience Hall. How can anyone not see the diabolical undertones in that thing? In ways, Rome is the Seat of the anti-Christ right now.

The denial of "Rome will become the Seat of the anti-Christ" by the (Conciliar) Church is no different than the Vatican, today, refusing to disclose the real 3rd Secret of Fatima while sticking with their bogus "secret" that was revealed back in 2000. Huge cover up.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #19 on:** February 13, 2015, 11:23:26 AM »

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Look at the statue in the Paul VI Audience Hall. How can anyone not see the diabolical undertones in that thing?

It's entitled 'The Resurrection' but it is not the Resurrection of Christ. Guess who?

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 13, 2015, 11:38:19 AM »

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Look at the statue in the Paul VI Audience Hall. How can anyone not see the diabolical undertones in that thing?

Lucifer.

We have the truth before our eyes and refused to believe it.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 13, 2015, 02:17:29 PM »

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Satanism, is deep in the halls of the Vatican. Look at the statue in the Paul VI Audience Hall. How can anyone not see the diabolical undertones in that thing?

Absolutely....

The modernists and liberals have a lack of the supernatural. And you can tell it through
the art, that cannot dare be called sacred.

And this is demonstrated by the before and after renovations of Holy Name Cathedral
in Chicago, Illinois.

I have heard from Traditional Catholics that the interior of the Cathedral looks more like
the temple of satan, than a temple of God.

Cera · « **Reply #22 on:** February 13, 2015, 02:44:14 PM »

"Rome will become the seat of the anti-christ" is some versions and not in others. Logically, we must conclude that it was either added or deleted by powerful persons. The motivation to delete it is obvious and is also consistent with the cover-up of the Third Secret of Fatima.

(Also, I find it interesting that the phrase elicits only a handful of hits. When I searched this 3 or so years ago, there were hundreds of hits. In isolation, this could mean nothing -- or simply that the precise way I searched was slightly different. However I have found the same phenomenon with other searches. Just one of those things that makes you go Hmmmm.)

What is more likely? That the ptb are taking over Rome and want to delete Melanie's words, or that the ptb have absolutely no power in Rome and are attacking Rome because it reflects the traditional truths of the Catholic Church?

Cera · « **Reply #23 on:** February 13, 2015, 02:45:40 PM »

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The "Rome will become the Seat of the Anti-Christ" comment was apparently not in the original secret written down by Melanie.

http://www.sspxasia.com/Newsletters/2003/Jul-Dec/Secret_of_La_Salette.htm

I skimmed the link and did not see what you are alluding to.

Don't know how you could miss it. Simply read the translations of the children's writings in the above link, and you will not find that comment about Rome being or becoming the " Seat of the Anti-Christ".

I was looking for a discussion of the controversy about the words being in some versions and not in others.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #24 on:** February 13, 2015, 03:17:08 PM »

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I am aware that this part of the message has been controversial. I believe that La Salette was the first time Our Lady appeared to children and the Church did not know how to handle it. The children were not protected from predators who wanted to use them for their own purposes and the ensuing chaos placed doubt on the apparition altogether.

Good luck with your research.

Marsha

Sometime in the early 1900's (20th century) some official publication came out with a revised version of the La Salette message where the sentence about Rome losing the faith and becoming the seat of the Antichrist was REMOVED. Ever since then, there has been controversy over whether it was ever "approved" or not, since once approved, it should not be up for new unapproval. Correct?

Correct.

Remember, in 1962 some creepy guys of the same stripe "removed" St. Philomena from the calendar. Their excuse was that insufficient evidence could be found for her existence. That's a good example of a half-truth, which by the way, is a whole lie.

Just a few years ago another so-called Catholic forum (Angelqueen) went through a major purging pogrom when the owner decided that the La Salette revision was not a revision at all, but merely a MORE ACCURATE VERSION in the first place. He went on a virtual tirade spewing his venomous screed that ROME COULD NEVER lose the faith, etc.

Try going on C a t h o l i c A n s w e r s, for example, and kick this around for a day or two, because that's about how long you'll be a member there, at most.

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Cantarella · « **Reply #25 on:** February 13, 2015, 03:27:28 PM »

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Satanism, is deep in the halls of the Vatican. Look at the statue in the Paul VI Audience Hall. How can anyone not see the diabolical undertones in that thing?

Absolutely....

The modernists and liberals have a lack of the supernatural. And you can tell it through
the art, that cannot dare be called sacred.

And this is demonstrated by the before and after renovations of Holy Name Cathedral
in Chicago, Illinois.

I have heard from Traditional Catholics that the interior of the Cathedral looks more like
the temple of satan, than a temple of God.

Designs Of The Jews
On Art And Architecture

By Father Leonard Feeney

http://www.fatherfeeney.org/other/jews-art.html

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #26 on:** February 13, 2015, 04:14:09 PM »

Excellent article, Cantarella. What year did Father write this?

Cantarella · « **Reply #27 on:** February 13, 2015, 07:49:57 PM »

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Excellent article, Cantarella. What year did Father write this?

The article was published in 1950's.

Quote from: Fr. Feeney

Lately, the architects have been more enthusiastic about churches. They are now designing a variety which fits quite neatly into the animal pattern. It is popularly called the Interfaith Chapel. It is a communal religious center for the priest, the minister, the rabbi, and its calculated Jєωιѕн effect is to reduce the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, to the level of televangelist fakery and тαℓмυdic filth — a supreme award for eighty five years of plotting on the part of Messrs. Picasso, Epstein, Moholy and company.

OldMerry · « **Reply #28 on:** February 13, 2015, 08:18:08 PM »

Green Scapular you are right – there was no mention of Rome/Antichrist in what you posted. Nadir your “Unity Publishing” site is very like the site I posted. And now that I think of it, I believe I did read the Holy Mountain book a long time ago. It was where I got a lot of my impressions about LaSalette, and what became of the children. I also had a small white pamphlet with black lettering which, naturally, I cannot find now. I believe it had a pic of Our Lady of LS on the cover – a drawing. But anyway, I don’t know what to do now. If there truly were specific criticisms made by Our Lady about the clergy, it would be just like the liberals of the 1800s and the modernists of the 1900s to delete or obscure or change her statements. As for “finding” their secrets of late in the Vatican archives, it would depend on who found them – or more specifically, who promulgated their publication. If a conservative or trad, you might be able to trust it. If not, and if the publication protects the Vat II church and, say, claims everything she said has already happened – well, what good is THAT judgment?! Just a couple of final thoughts – did the children say how long Our Lady spoke to them? That was quite a large amount her secret to Melanie ran to. Could she have communicated all that, and more, in just 2 or 3 minutes? Also, if after the secret she switched to “patois” – then how could they understand her foregoing message, if it was in French? As for the Bishop of Lecce, yes, it could be Melanie had to go out of France to get published what was not allowed in France – but for what purpose: that the French knew she was unstable and so shut her off, or because her message was true but unpopular and she was shut down in a defensive France with only a hearing or believing bishop to be found in Lecce, Italy? But whether Our Lady made that statement or not, we know it is the devil is at work in Rome and the Vatican.

Nadir · « **Reply #29 on:** February 13, 2015, 10:45:27 PM »

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did the children say how long Our Lady spoke to them?

Merry, I can't recall how long the apparition lasted but I read that Maximin questioned Melanie as to why Our Lady spoke to her for longer than she spoke to him when She was disclosing Her secrets to each of them individually.

I wonder why Melanie asked the meaning and the spelling of the word "Anti-Christ", as she was sitting writing her first statement?

Yes they had very poor, almost negligible French, but understood the local patois.

I too am puzzled.