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Offline Iuvenalis

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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2013, 12:58:44 AM »
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  • Vandalism, a crime ( objectively, defacing property not in one's own lawful possession ), is NOT part of the MO of serious, believing Catholics.   :facepalm:

    No matter how much base emotions might otherwise tempt them.
     
    Which defines virtue.

    Which ain't easy.

    And, on a public forum, it's not particularly virtuous, or even remotely intelligent, to  suggest otherwise.
     
    As "yuk-yuk funny" as it may seem... to some.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 08, 2013, 01:10:48 AM »
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  • Who was 'yuk-yuk'?

    I mean it.

    He's clearly some Protestant from some of his quoted statement, but from natural law he has figured this out.

    As for defacing property and the other hand-wringing comments you made, I'm not sure we shouldn't be taking the gloves off at this point.

    If it was a just war you wouldnt be so squeamish.

    Well, it is.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 08, 2013, 04:11:36 AM »
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    As for defacing property and the other hand-wringing comments you made, I'm not sure we shouldn't be taking the gloves off at this point.


    God is allowing us to live in a situation that we appear to be losing.  This is a test for all of us.  
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    « Reply #4 on: August 08, 2013, 04:20:37 AM »
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    Vandalism, a crime ( objectively, defacing property not in one's own lawful possession ), is NOT part of the MO of serious, believing Catholics.   :facepalm:



    I guess the early converts who trashed pagan temples and idols just weren't "serious, believing Catholics".  :facepalm:


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    « Reply #5 on: August 08, 2013, 05:11:38 AM »
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    Vandalism, a crime ( objectively, defacing property not in one's own lawful possession ), is NOT part of the MO of serious, believing Catholics.   :facepalm:



    I guess the early converts who trashed pagan temples and idols just weren't "serious, believing Catholics".  :facepalm:
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    « Reply #6 on: August 08, 2013, 06:26:39 AM »
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  • He got the urge to crusade and did the right thing. Fair play to him.

    I once found a king james version of the bible in a Catholic church, hideously placed on a table in front of a giant beautiful statue of the Virgin Mary, so what did I do, I took some candles from before the statue and burned the protestant book right there in front of the statue, in loyalty to Mary. ( sacristans didn't see anything wrong with it other than I started a fire in the church and melted the bucket, the police were called but I hid and and made my escape). Mary blessed me with successful escape. Those who wondered what I was doing had their faith made a lot stronger by the act. I would do it again, someone has to.
    Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux! Ne Draco Sit Mihi Dux!

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    « Reply #7 on: August 08, 2013, 10:22:12 AM »
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  • With apologies to Mr. Goldwater, extremism in the defense of the rights of God is no vice.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    « Reply #8 on: August 08, 2013, 11:52:08 AM »
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  • I also approve of the young French Catholics who defaced those blasphemous works of "art" in a Paris museum last year. This really is war.
    "Let us thank God for having called us to His holy faith. It is a great gift, and the number of those who thank God for it is small."
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    Offline Anthony Benedict

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    « Reply #9 on: August 08, 2013, 12:03:36 PM »
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  • All right, then. Can anyone demonstrate from the original Code, or from any Council or any sainted Pope or Doctor or Father, formal approval, IN THE ABSENCE OF A FORMAL DECLARATION OF WAR ("CRUSADE"), for the destruction of another's property?

    I'm being technical, here, folks. And I think the distinction is very important.

    Property rights are also derived from the Natural Law.

    I fully concur with everyone's disgust at the MIS-use of property by the poofster-lovin' clowns in this story.

    I am pointing out that that is merely ONE aspect of the situation AS IT IS BEING BANTERED ABOUT ON A PUBLIC FORUM.

    Otherwise, and this was my motivation for chastising the OP, despite his enthusiasm, others reading this thread could easily conclude that Catholics condone criminal mischief when it comports with their predilections.

    We do not.

    The answer to the queer crisis is not in criminal acts or even committing misdemeanors.

    It IS an infamy for anyone to publicly advocate truly criminal behavior, such as sodomy. However, the remedy is in working to get the laws we once had on the books, which DID criminalize sodomy in something like 38 States, BACK ON THE BOOKS.

    And it can be done without breaking reasonable laws.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 08, 2013, 01:06:50 PM »
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    All right, then. Can anyone demonstrate from the original Code, or from any Council or any sainted Pope or Doctor or Father, formal approval, IN THE ABSENCE OF A FORMAL DECLARATION OF WAR ("CRUSADE"), for the destruction of another's property?

    I'm being technical, here, folks. And I think the distinction is very important.

    Property rights are also derived from the Natural Law.

    I fully concur with everyone's disgust at the MIS-use of property by the poofster-lovin' clowns in this story.

    I am pointing out that that is merely ONE aspect of the situation AS IT IS BEING BANTERED ABOUT ON A PUBLIC FORUM.

    Otherwise, and this was my motivation for chastising the OP, despite his enthusiasm, others reading this thread could easily conclude that Catholics condone criminal mischief when it comports with their predilections.

    We do not.

    The answer to the queer crisis is not in criminal acts or even committing misdemeanors.

    It IS an infamy for anyone to publicly advocate truly criminal behavior, such as sodomy. However, the remedy is in working to get the laws we once had on the books, which DID criminalize sodomy in something like 38 States, BACK ON THE BOOKS.

    And it can be done without breaking reasonable laws.


    I think you are being excessively legalistic.
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    « Reply #11 on: August 08, 2013, 01:29:00 PM »
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  • First of all, the clowns in purple (or white) these days aren't going to declare a crusade, Francis "Who am I to Judge" least of all.

    I think there is an analogy to self-defense here, and many of the same rules should apply. Response should be proportional, and one should use their best judgment regarding whether or not the action is likely to make things worse.

    Trespassing on private property is breaking the law, but if there's a building on fire and a child in the window screaming for help, do you have to pull out your copy of the 1917 code of canon law to decide if you're allowed to rescue the child?
    "Let us thank God for having called us to His holy faith. It is a great gift, and the number of those who thank God for it is small."
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    « Reply #12 on: August 08, 2013, 11:07:27 PM »
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  • Though it be said a million times, it bears a million more repetitions:

    Error has no rights.

    I once saw a poster in a subway station in NYC depicting two fαɢɢօts kissing. I didn't hesitate to tear it down and rip it to shreds before consigning it to the nearest garbage can. I'll brook no legalistic claptrap about "property rights" here. I defy any Catholic to condemn the "evil" in my act of "vandalism" over and against the genuine evil caused by innocent children having to see that disgusting piece of propaganda for promoting that most abominable affront to Almighty God.

    Let's let St. Francis Xavier have his say on the matter:

    "These children, I trust heartily, by the grace of God, will be much better than their fathers. They show an ardent love for the Divine law, and an extraordinary zeal for learning our holy religion and imparting it to others. Their hatred for idolatry is marvellous.... Whenever I hear of any act of idolatrous worship, I go to the place with a large band of these children, who very soon load the devil with a greater amount of insult and abuse than he has lately received of honor and worship from their parents, relations, and acquaintances. The children run at the idols, upset them, dash them down, break them to pieces, spit on them, trample on them, kick them about, and in short heap on them every possible outrage."

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    « Reply #13 on: August 08, 2013, 11:53:17 PM »
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  • .

    "The children run at the idols, upset them, dash them down, break them to pieces, spit on them, trample on them, kick them about, and in short heap on them every possible outrage."


    St. Francis Xavier was fortunate to not live in
    an age when there are found committed by delinquent
    children at large (thanks to the abominable examples
    they see in movies, video games, and other
    'entertainment'), numerous "possible outrages" that
    he would never have included in this brief mention,
    the very description of which would be unbefitting of
    this forum.


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    « Reply #14 on: August 09, 2013, 12:07:04 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    "The children run at the idols, upset them, dash them down, break them to pieces, spit on them, trample on them, kick them about, and in short heap on them every possible outrage."


    St. Francis Xavier was fortunate to not live in
    an age when there are found committed by delinquent
    children at large (thanks to the abominable examples
    they see in movies, video games, and other
    'entertainment'), numerous "possible outrages" that
    he would never have included in this brief mention,
    the very description of which would be unbefitting of
    this forum.




    St Francis Xavier was most especially fortunate to have not lived in an age when sodomy was elevated to the level of Holy Matrimony.