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How we should treat priests
« on: February 15, 2012, 04:16:22 AM »
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  • The Priesthood – the Highest Dignity on Earth


    The priesthood of the Roman Catholic Church is the highest dignity on earth. The dignity of a priest surpasses that of kings, emperors and any head of state, and, yes, even of angels. No angel can convert bread into the Body of Christ by the mere power of his word; nor can any angel forgive sins.

    The priest stands between God and man. He is God's representative, God's ambassador. Therefore whatever honor we pay to the priest, we render to God Himself. Therefore, it is mandatory that Catholics show reverence and honor to the priest for he is the representative of Christ Himself, and the dispenser of His mysteries.

    The humblest priest in the world by his word can call down God upon the altar and convert bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. He can say to the sinner, "I absolve you," and the sinner's soul is saved from hell. Not even the Blessed Virgin Mary possessed the power to forgive sins, to grant absolution that erases the very guilt of sin. Therefore, we owe the priest reverence due to his dignity as representative of Christ.

    Even if a priest's life does not correspond with the requirements of his office, we should give respect; this we offer to his office. And in that office the priest is “alter Christus” - another Christ. Our Lord calls the priest "a city built upon a hill," the "salt of the earth." He is in the world, but not of it. Saint Francis de Sales said of priests: "I will close my eyes to their faults, and only see in them God's representatives."

    With this in mind, we should always afford a priest the most reverent outward gesture of respect when in their presence and respect them even more so when not in their presence. That means refraining from gossip, even if we do not like the priest or agree with him. To calumniate a priest is a sacrilege. Furthermore, one who lays violent hands on a priest is subject to excommunication.

    In recognition of this respect, we should endeavor to assist him in every way we can, with our talents, time and treasures as we can feasibly afford it and as God sees fit. The path to this status of dignity is not easy or overnight. For obvious reasons preparation for the priesthood is a long process in order to weed out anyone not worthy of that dignity. There have been cases where a boy who had a vocation to the priesthood was prevented from realizing his desire because of the opposition of his parents or others, or was seduced by a woman away from his vocation - even priesthood. Those who oppose a vocation are responsible before Almighty God for this interference. Sometimes the boy turned out badly, even living an immoral or criminal life. While the young man is also responsible before God, so also are those who throw unwarranted roadblocks in the potential priest's way.

    Because men are human, some men do slip through the cracks and become ordained. Later in their priestly life there are those enticed by satan to cross over to the other side, some are deceived by others and some are weak of the flesh. But regardless of their character or human frailties, they are "priests forever according to the order of Melchisedech" until receiving a total dispensation from Holy Mother Church at the highest level.

    Finally, if one's will is good and his heart intent on serving God, it is likely that with the blessing of God he will lead a useful life in His service, as His minister. Then at the end of life, may he say this prayer of a dying priest: "Lord, my eyes are dim from searching for Thy lost sheep! My voice has lost its power from preaching Thy word! My hands tremble with weakness, from leading Thy little ones along Thy paths, to guard them from going astray! My heart falters, having spent its force in the mighty struggle for Thy kingdom! And now that I can give Thee nothing more, take my soul, O Lord, and let it rest with Thee!" We leave you with this final thought, where would the Church be, where would we be, without God's priests?


    Once, Saint Francis de Sales was asked to address the situation of the scandal caused by some of his brother priests during the 1500s and 1600s. What he said is as important for us today as it was for his listeners then.
    He stated, "Those who commit these types of scandals are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder," destroying other people's faith in God by their terrible example. But then he warned his listeners, "But I'm here among you to prevent something far worse for you. While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal - who allow scandals to destroy their faith - are guilty of spiritual ѕυιcιdє."
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    « Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 08:25:12 AM »
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  • A very good article, thanks Alex! Do you mind me asking where you got this?


    And I really loved this:

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    Once, Saint Francis de Sales was asked to address the situation of the scandal caused by some of his brother priests during the 1500s and 1600s. What he said is as important for us today as it was for his listeners then.
    He stated, "Those who commit these types of scandals are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder," destroying other people's faith in God by their terrible example. But then he warned his listeners, "But I'm here among you to prevent something far worse for you. While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal - who allow scandals to destroy their faith - are guilty of spiritual ѕυιcιdє."


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    « Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 03:23:21 PM »
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  • This is true, but what about Novus Ordo priests? Priests who are openly gαy, for instance? Are we obliged to show the same respect and reverence to them? I sure wouldn't think so.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 04:12:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    This is true, but what about Novus Ordo priests? Priests who are openly gαy, for instance? Are we obliged to show the same respect and reverence to them? I sure wouldn't think so.


    Well I think Novus Ordo priests still should be respected, as a given. If anything, we should show we have Christian charity to everyone; and I'm not talking about some type of secular humanism. Was it St. Paul who said that people should know Christians through the charity they show everyone? I don't think he was talking about humanistic ideals either.

    Of course, this doesn't mean we are obligated to them, in the same way we are to our own priests.

    But how many times have you come across a NO priest since you've found tradition?  I can count the times on one hand, and have four spaces left over. Much less an openly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priest... I can't say I've ever met one; nor would I want to....

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    « Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 06:52:40 PM »
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  • I never said we shouldn't show charity to NO priests in general, I asked how we should act towards certain bad NO priests. But I have a general idea...
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 15, 2012, 06:52:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: s2srea
    A very good article, thanks Alex! Do you mind me asking where you got this?


    And I really loved this:

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    Once, Saint Francis de Sales was asked to address the situation of the scandal caused by some of his brother priests during the 1500s and 1600s. What he said is as important for us today as it was for his listeners then.
    He stated, "Those who commit these types of scandals are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder," destroying other people's faith in God by their terrible example. But then he warned his listeners, "But I'm here among you to prevent something far worse for you. While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal - who allow scandals to destroy their faith - are guilty of spiritual ѕυιcιdє."


    I don't remember. It was in a saved on my computer from many years ago.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 15, 2012, 09:06:35 PM »
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  • I think the more liberal the priest the more traditionally he ought to be greeted. I know an auxiliary bishop who despises being addressed as "Your Excellency" so I always do address him that way.

    "Don't call me that!" he says.

    "As you wish, My Lord," I respond.

    "Oh, for heavens sake, that's even worse; I prefer 'Excellency' to that!"

    "As you wish, Excellency."

    "You're hopeless!"

    "Yes, Your Excellency."

     :incense:

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    « Reply #7 on: February 15, 2012, 10:43:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Retablo
    I think the more liberal the priest the more traditionally he ought to be greeted. I know an auxiliary bishop who despises being addressed as "Your Excellency" so I always do address him that way.

    "Don't call me that!" he says.

    "As you wish, My Lord," I respond.

    "Oh, for heavens sake, that's even worse; I prefer 'Excellency' to that!"

    "As you wish, Excellency."

    "You're hopeless!"

    "Yes, Your Excellency."

     :incense:


     :roll-laugh2:


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    « Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 11:03:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Retablo
    I think the more liberal the priest the more traditionally he ought to be greeted. I know an auxiliary bishop who despises being addressed as "Your Excellency" so I always do address him that way.

    "Don't call me that!" he says.

    "As you wish, My Lord," I respond.

    "Oh, for heavens sake, that's even worse; I prefer 'Excellency' to that!"

    "As you wish, Excellency."

    "You're hopeless!"

    "Yes, Your Excellency."

     :incense:


     :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

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    « Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 07:08:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: St. Francis de Sales
    "Those who commit these types of scandals are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder," destroying other people's faith in God by their terrible example. But then he warned his listeners, "But I'm here among you to prevent something far worse for you. While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal - who allow scandals to destroy their faith - are guilty of spiritual ѕυιcιdє."


    Yes, we should be careful not to take scandal so as to shipwreck our faith. That being done, do we try to stop the "spiritual murderer" from claiming his victims from the others who are not so careful?
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 09:16:42 AM »
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  • Sacrilege, huh?  Take note, SJB and the rest of you trolls.  It said, even the not so good ones.  ALL clergy are off limits to you.
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    « Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 10:23:25 AM »
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  • You really consider a novus ordo person ordained in the new rite a priest?
    They themselves use the term presiders.

    Or are you referring to the elderly ones, where few still might exist.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 16, 2012, 10:24:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: Trinity
    Sacrilege, huh?  Take note, SJB and the rest of you trolls.  It said, even the not so good ones.  ALL clergy are off limits to you.


    SJB and his ilk have much to answer for!  
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    « Reply #13 on: February 16, 2012, 11:16:49 AM »
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    You really consider a novus ordo person ordained in the new rite a priest?
    They themselves use the term presiders.


    I believe its doubtful, and that's enough reason for me to stay away from them; this is why I'm a Traditional Catholic. What does this have to showing them respect?

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    « Reply #14 on: February 16, 2012, 11:42:42 AM »
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  • Respect them as a person; not another Christ.
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