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Offline Zeitun

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« on: May 10, 2013, 12:19:59 AM »
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  • I NEVER listen to EWTN but I caught a few minutes of Al Kresta today to hear him talking about how the laity need to save the Church.  He kept referring to Francis as "The Bishop of Rome" rather than "The Pope" or other reference to the Papacy.

    Kresta actually made a statement of fidelity to "The Bishop of Rome" NOT The Pope or Holy Father.


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    « Reply #1 on: May 10, 2013, 06:36:04 AM »
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  • It was Bergoglio himself who started out with refusing to call himself "Pope", manifesting febronian tendencies. His subjects are simply following his example.

    It appears that they are planning to abolish the conciliar 'papacy'.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 09:37:37 AM »
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  • Quote from: Exilenomore
    It appears that they are planning to abolish the conciliar 'papacy'.


    And it will not be done overtly.  Over the next few years I think the term will simply drop out of use.  By the next conclave the news headlines will read:  "Cardinals flock to the Vatican to elect a new Bishop of Rome".  

    The very term, "pope", will become as rare as "heresy", "sin", "sacrifice", etc.  It will be something known in an historical way but not relevant to the contemporary church.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 11, 2013, 06:56:10 AM »
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    It appears that they are planning to abolish the conciliar 'papacy'.


    And it will not be done overtly.  Over the next few years I think the term will simply drop out of use.  By the next conclave the news headlines will read:  "Cardinals flock to the Vatican to elect a new Bishop of Rome".  

    The very term, "pope", will become as rare as "heresy", "sin", "sacrifice", etc.  It will be something known in an historical way but not relevant to the contemporary church.


    You are probably right with your prediction.  When this does happen, you can be assured that the Novus Ordo church will have lost the last tiny vestige of it's Catholicity, and is no longer Catholic.  It will then just be another heretical Christian sect among many.  Of course there are those who already believe this has happened right now.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 12:10:42 PM »
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    It appears that they are planning to abolish the conciliar 'papacy'.


    And it will not be done overtly.  Over the next few years I think the term will simply drop out of use.  By the next conclave the news headlines will read:  "Cardinals flock to the Vatican to elect a new Bishop of Rome".  

    The very term, "pope", will become as rare as "heresy", "sin", "sacrifice", etc.  It will be something known in an historical way but not relevant to the contemporary church.


    Good Lord.....Francis may indeed be the last Pope and fulfill the prophecy.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 13, 2013, 01:21:18 PM »
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  • I remember thinking when I was new to tradition and saw the picture of Paul VI giving away the tiara that something wasn't quite right. Then, I added it all up with Paul VI: giving away the tiara, a satanic crucifix used in procession, etc., not to mention JPII hamming it up for the cameras. It seems that there was a program in place - now exercised by Francis - to strip everything regal from the papacy, to reduce it to almost nothing. I don't think it's accidental, needless to say.

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    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 03:11:13 PM »
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  • Charlemagne is absolutely right!

    The post-Vatican II popes are all following a specific program.  I haven't put my finger on it yet.  It's more insidious than merely being modernists.  There is something very big and very wrong afoot.  It's not an accident or a coincidence.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 14, 2013, 08:37:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Charlemagne is absolutely right!

    The post-Vatican II popes are all following a specific program.  I haven't put my finger on it yet.  It's more insidious than merely being modernists.  There is something very big and very wrong afoot.  It's not an accident or a coincidence.


    They are luciferians.  The sooner one accepts that, the sooner their actions make sense.  Their actions only confuse if one falsely believes these men are Christians.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 14, 2013, 08:41:39 PM »
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  • Yes, obviously their intent is to destroy Catholicism.
    That is clear from the actions they take.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 03:33:25 AM »
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  • These evil men John XXIII, Paul VI, JPI, JPII, Benedict XVI, and Francis I are not just "modernists" or bad theologians.
    No, it is much more satanic than that.
    These sinister men, who pretend to be Catholic Popes, are guilty of deliberately attempting to erase our beloved Catholic religion.

    It is our duty as Catholics to pray for the Church in this dark hour, and to tell other Catholics about this serious matter of these make-believe "popes".
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 03:52:15 AM »
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  • Maybe it's a gradual way of conditioning a reunification with the Eastern schismatic Church, in a way for Rome not to swallow their pride and making it appear as if they were "wrong" the whole time.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #11 on: May 15, 2013, 04:25:57 AM »
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    Maybe it's a gradual way of conditioning a reunification with the Eastern schismatic Church, in a way for Rome not to swallow their pride and making it appear as if they were "wrong" the whole time.



    I hope the Orthodox are not fooled by the tricks of Rome and realize they are still far more Catholic than the heretical and unfolding apostate Newchurch. If the Orthodox accept reunification with Newchurch Rome, without the abolishment of Vatican II and its counterfeit religion, then the evidence will be clear the Eastern Church has fallen victim to Satan's deception, which is ultimately geared to establishing an apostate one world religion that is anti-Christ. (The result being "the daily sacrifice is abolished"; and "abomination of desolation standing where it ought not"; and "standing in the holy place"; and "so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God"). I wonder who will first be infected by the Satanic virus that will fool them into joining apostate Rome - the neo-SSPX or the Orthodox? I pray neither.

    If it happens, there will still be holdouts of Orthodox that will not go along with such reunification, similar to SSPX, CMRI, independents, etc. in the Resistance against heretical Rome. It would be great if the Orthodox rejected their own few heresies and reconciled with the true Catholic Church, then the Remnant would be that much larger.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    « Reply #12 on: May 16, 2013, 11:16:30 PM »
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  • I think using the future tense to describe the destruction of the church is wishful thinking. It's happened already. The Zionists and Masons are already deeply entrenched in the Vatican. They control the concilliar church. God have mercy on us.
    Regina Angelorum, ora pro nobis!