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Offline Sigismund

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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2014, 08:47:07 PM »
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    I do not think that I could not secretly help but to detest him.

    Anything beyond that ? I don't know unless they tried to marry a member of my family, then I think I would have an issue.

    Like I posted in another thread about a coworker who is a registered sex offender- I suspected long before I confirmed it he was a pervert and I have never been able to overcome my animosity towards him.


    If you cannot but secretly detest repentant sinners, I would say the problem lies with you, not them.  Have you even read the New Testament?
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    « Reply #16 on: April 08, 2014, 09:40:53 PM »
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    On the purely natural level, I was witness yesterday to a story that touches on this business of "reporting" someone's misdeed(s).  A man asked a deputy Sheriff for ideas on what he can do with his problem.  He had lent his car to a friend with a wife and child, who were homeless so they would have shelter, and the 'friend' took off in the car, never to return.  It has been several weeks now, and the registered owner has received parking tickets from diverse places.  His 'friend' no longer answers his calls.  But he doesn't want to report his car as stolen, because then the couple would be apprehended and Child Protective Services would take their child away.

    His 'friend' actually warned him about this, saying, "You don't want to report this because they'll take away my child."  The deputy Sheriff told the man that his "friend" doesn't care about him, so why should he care about his "friend?"  Also, since the registered owner admits to giving his 'friend' permission to drive the car, the owner of the car is responsible for any parking tickets because those are not given to the driver of the car but to the owner of the car.  A new report of the car having been stolen two months ago will not change the responsibility of the owner for the parking tickets that are dated BEFORE the car was reported stolen.   He will still have maybe $2,000 in parking tickets on HIS record, since he owns the car.  He could end up going to jail for refusing to pay these tickets, even though he claims he was not driving or parking the car.

    I told the man, "There's no reward in being mister nice guy."  He agreed.  


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    If you cannot but secretly detest repentant sinners, I would say the problem lies with you, not them.  Have you even read the New Testament?




    As for forgiving someone, if this man were to get his car back and somehow got the tickets taken care of, and his 'friend' were to apologize for all the trouble he caused him, do you, Sigismund, think the car owner should let his friend borrow something else in the future, like some money, or a motorcycle or a boat?  After all, he said he was sorry;  isn't that enough?


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    « Reply #17 on: April 09, 2014, 10:40:31 PM »
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    Pope Francis said, "who am I to judge?"

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    « Reply #18 on: April 09, 2014, 10:41:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: crossbro

    I do not think that I could not secretly help but to detest him.

    Anything beyond that ? I don't know unless they tried to marry a member of my family, then I think I would have an issue.

    Like I posted in another thread about a coworker who is a registered sex offender- I suspected long before I confirmed it he was a pervert and I have never been able to overcome my animosity towards him.

    He who said, "Thou shalt not fornicate." also said, "Thou shalt not judge."  

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    « Reply #19 on: April 10, 2014, 05:29:37 PM »
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  • I cannot believe the lack of charity of a couple of posters. Jesus modeled for us, to hate the sin but love the sinner. And the hypothetical is about a repentant sinner. We are all repentant sinners.

    As stupid as the "Who am I to judge" statement is, remember that F. was talking about an unrepentant sinner.

    We have friends, a married couple, and he is a former ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. The first time my dh and I went out to dinner with them, I mentioned his former life to my dh and asked if he was cool with that. He said "As long as I don't feel a hand on my knee under the table." lol

    This man is just like any other man. They now have a child and have moved to another state. Charity.
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    « Reply #20 on: April 10, 2014, 08:12:29 PM »
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    On the purely natural level, I was witness yesterday to a story that touches on this business of "reporting" someone's misdeed(s).  A man asked a deputy Sheriff for ideas on what he can do with his problem.  He had lent his car to a friend with a wife and child, who were homeless so they would have shelter, and the 'friend' took off in the car, never to return.  It has been several weeks now, and the registered owner has received parking tickets from diverse places.  His 'friend' no longer answers his calls.  But he doesn't want to report his car as stolen, because then the couple would be apprehended and Child Protective Services would take their child away.

    His 'friend' actually warned him about this, saying, "You don't want to report this because they'll take away my child."  The deputy Sheriff told the man that his "friend" doesn't care about him, so why should he care about his "friend?"  Also, since the registered owner admits to giving his 'friend' permission to drive the car, the owner of the car is responsible for any parking tickets because those are not given to the driver of the car but to the owner of the car.  A new report of the car having been stolen two months ago will not change the responsibility of the owner for the parking tickets that are dated BEFORE the car was reported stolen.   He will still have maybe $2,000 in parking tickets on HIS record, since he owns the car.  He could end up going to jail for refusing to pay these tickets, even though he claims he was not driving or parking the car.

    I told the man, "There's no reward in being mister nice guy."  He agreed.  


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    If you cannot but secretly detest repentant sinners, I would say the problem lies with you, not them.  Have you even read the New Testament?




    As for forgiving someone, if this man were to get his car back and somehow got the tickets taken care of, and his 'friend' were to apologize for all the trouble he caused him, do you, Sigismund, think the car owner should let his friend borrow something else in the future, like some money, or a motorcycle or a boat?  After all, he said he was sorry;  isn't that enough?


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    I am sorry Neil, but you have lost me.  What does this have to do with treating a repentant sinner decently?  
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    « Reply #21 on: April 10, 2014, 11:07:42 PM »
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    I cannot believe the lack of charity of a couple of posters. Jesus modeled for us, to hate the sin but love the sinner. And the hypothetical is about a repentant sinner. We are all repentant sinners.

    As stupid as the "Who am I to judge" statement is, remember that F. was talking about an unrepentant sinner.

    We have friends, a married couple, and he is a former ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. The first time my dh and I went out to dinner with them, I mentioned his former life to my dh and asked if he was cool with that. He said "As long as I don't feel a hand on my knee under the table." lol

    This man is just like any other man. They now have a child and have moved to another state. Charity.

    When Pope Francis said "Who am I to judge?" that was in the context of the person of goodwill who had come into the church. A person of goodwill may very well be a sinner but he/she is not unrepentant. All of us have sinned in some way or another and all of us are in need of repentance. That is why Pope Francis said, "Who am I to judge?" It is really a call for the sinner to come into the Church. It is really a call to conversion.

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    « Reply #22 on: April 11, 2014, 12:05:59 AM »
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    I cannot believe the lack of charity of a couple of posters. Jesus modeled for us, to hate the sin but love the sinner. And the hypothetical is about a repentant sinner. We are all repentant sinners.

    As stupid as the "Who am I to judge" statement is, remember that F. was talking about an unrepentant sinner.

    We have friends, a married couple, and he is a former ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. The first time my dh and I went out to dinner with them, I mentioned his former life to my dh and asked if he was cool with that. He said "As long as I don't feel a hand on my knee under the table." lol

    This man is just like any other man. They now have a child and have moved to another state. Charity.

    When Pope Francis said "Who am I to judge?" that was in the context of the person of goodwill who had come into the church. A person of goodwill may very well be a sinner but he/she is not unrepentant. All of us have sinned in some way or another and all of us are in need of repentance. That is why Pope Francis said, "Who am I to judge?" It is really a call for the sinner to come into the Church. It is really a call to conversion.


    Qoute Francis on what you just explained- oh wait, you can't because you are just posting what you hope he meant and not at all what he really meant.

    If francis meant what you just posted he would say so, afterall, he cannot keep his mouth shut.


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    « Reply #23 on: April 11, 2014, 01:03:17 AM »
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  • I'm just curious is there anyone here on cathinfo who is an ex-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or struggles with this, who is willing to discuss it?

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    « Reply #24 on: April 11, 2014, 02:18:43 AM »
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    I'm just curious is there anyone here on cathinfo who is an ex-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or struggles with this, who is willing to discuss it?


    Won't happen bro, that person would last about 3.3 seconds in this forum once they post such a confession.

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    « Reply #25 on: April 11, 2014, 02:42:14 AM »
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    Jesus said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." How would you like to be treated?


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    « Reply #26 on: April 11, 2014, 07:52:55 PM »
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    I'm just curious is there anyone here on cathinfo who is an ex-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or struggles with this, who is willing to discuss it?


    Won't happen bro, that person would last about 3.3 seconds in this forum once they post such a confession.


    If someone were to do this, actually acknowledge sin and the repentance of it and state clearly that he believes what the Church believes, and then be treated as you suggest, I would shake the cyber dust off my feet and follow him out.  Your self-righteousness is really astonishing.  
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    « Reply #27 on: April 16, 2014, 07:07:46 PM »
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    I would tread exceedingly lightly. sɛҳuąƖ perversion is so acceptable in society that they may fall back into it without any real warning like a drug addict relapses. And it would be very unfair to any potential spouses to not be well informed of their perspective spouse's past. There's nothing like a nasty surprise to invalidate your marriage a child or two later. And hey, if they're really repentant and confident in their faith in Christ, then what's a few rumors? I'm sure there are plenty of rumors flying around about a lot of us who come to the Faith after a sinful life. It's not really the sin of the person with the past, but the sin of the gossips.


    You say that it would be unfair for a potential spouse to not be warned of a person's sinful past. How could you warn them without committing the sin of detraction? Detraction would occur if the sinner had repented of the sin. So you are saying that if you knew someone who committed sodomy, and that person repented, that you would tell every girl at your Church about that person's sin of sodomy to "warn" them to never commit to a relationship with that person?

    That to me sounds wrong. Marriage is a sacrament that is intended to prevent sɛҳuąƖ immorality. If you attempt to discourage someone from marrying a certain  repentant sinner then you would be setting up the repentent sinner for sɛҳuąƖ immorality. Kinda like holding someone down and never letting them get back up. It might actually cause them to fall.


    I said potential spouse. I didn't say every lady in church. If they don't know what their  spouse's struggles are, how are they going to help them get to heaven?
    It is a disservice not to inform someone about something that might invalidate their marriage, especially if you strongly suspect that they don't know. Hopefully,  the person would inform their spouse about their past but that doesn't always happen.
    That was the lovely surprise I got after two years of marriage. If someone had told me in advance what I may have to deal with instead of stuffing it down and hiding it, things would have gone much differently. If even one person had said that this particular sin was one he had struggled with in the past, I could have at least had the opportunity to mull it over and reconsider my abilities to deal with it. Heck, if one person had even asked me if I knew about it, that would've been a blessing! But everyone was trying to be all forgiving and not get involved with "dredging up his past" so when i discovered it, I was completely gobsmacked!  

    So, due to the desire of others not to detract my ex-husband,  I now have a broken family, a strained relationship with my oldest child, a strained relationship with my husband and unnecessary hardship for my younger children who hardly see their sister because of years of custody battles. All of which could have been avoided by anyone willing to just make sure that I knew before we got married.


    I would think that it should be up to the 2 individuals who are going to get married to reveal to each other what their struggles are. Not other parties or individuals.

    It is not a disservice to mind your own business. It is not up to you to go around revealing people's sins to other people. You may think you are doing right by doing so. But if you commit detraction then I can not see how something good would come out of that. I would be willing to bet that more evils would spring out of detraction.

    Yes your situation is bad. Yes your current situation may have been prevented if someone would have committed detraction, and told you about your ex-husband's sins. However, you may have married someone else and that situation could have been worse. We have to trust that everything happens for a reason. In the long run, you may be better off with the cards that have been dealt to you.

    Maybe God has another man lined up for you in the near future. Maybe he is the one that God wants for you.

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    « Reply #28 on: April 16, 2014, 10:00:22 PM »
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  • I met a lady, whose job was to meet with Perverts in the jails and such.  She told me, once a pervert, always a pervert.  She said, in her job, she has had many letters given to her from these perverts, that they had seen the "light of God" and blah, blah, blah therefore please let me out of jail, let me go back to my job that I had and let someone watch over me with the kids and such.

    As a Catholic, we know that IF, one goes to confession and is sorrowful, sins are forgiven, BUT, in my opinion, I would be very careful around someone like this, for yes, they could go back, just like an alcoholic.  And the Catholic Church had a group of the Sacred Heart for those with addictions.  To be a member, you had to follow the rules, and those rules were to receive the sacraments as often as possible and etc.  

    I too, would not see to marriage for this person, and blood tests are an absolute!  I would think that taking care of ones self would be enough cross to bear.  How about those who are bisɛҳuąƖ? In my sister's case, the marriage was invalid, for he lied, kept a secret.  Now my sister with 2 sons, has genital herpes.

    Some sins, I think are harder to deal with.

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    « Reply #29 on: April 17, 2014, 01:16:28 AM »
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    I met a lady, whose job was to meet with Perverts in the jails and such.  She told me, once a pervert, always a pervert.  She said, in her job, she has had many letters given to her from these perverts, that they had seen the "light of God" and blah, blah, blah therefore please let me out of jail, let me go back to my job that I had and let someone watch over me with the kids and such.

    As a Catholic, we know that IF, one goes to confession and is sorrowful, sins are forgiven, BUT, in my opinion, I would be very careful around someone like this, for yes, they could go back, just like an alcoholic.  And the Catholic Church had a group of the Sacred Heart for those with addictions.  To be a member, you had to follow the rules, and those rules were to receive the sacraments as often as possible and etc.  

    I too, would not see to marriage for this person, and blood tests are an absolute!  I would think that taking care of ones self would be enough cross to bear.  How about those who are bisɛҳuąƖ? In my sister's case, the marriage was invalid, for he lied, kept a secret.  Now my sister with 2 sons, has genital herpes.

    Some sins, I think are harder to deal with.


    With God you can change. Probably most people don't though.

    That is a difficult situation that your sister has had to deal with. Perhaps she should try natural supplements. I know of some natural supplements that claim to cure AIDS and other diseases. Can't say they work for sure though.

    I can only speak for myself. I haven't had sex in 12-13 years (30 years old). I used to be a pornography addict, but have been clear of that for 5 years with maybe 1 or 2 hiccups. Though even after the hiccups, I have been able to recover and have been going strong for some time now.

    Point is you can overcome the things that are holding you down no matter what it is. If we go around talking about how some people claim to have overcome some of the most abominable things...then turn around and make them out to be liars...then people are going to start to give up on wanting to overcome sinful things. They will think that people will label them their entire lives anyways. So why bother.

    God forgives every sin. Maybe we should too. After all, we are supposed to strive to be like God.