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How much do monkspriests get paid?
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2014, 02:20:00 AM »
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    can you ever stop being a monk in order to get married? what if a monk and a nun fell in love? what would happen?



    If a monk or a nun who has made their final vows wants to get married they would have to either ask the bishop or the Vatican for a dispensation from their vows

     DEPARTURE FROM AN INSTITUTE

    Can. 686 §1. With the consent of the council, the supreme moderator for a grave cause can grant an indult of exclaustration to a member professed by perpetual vows, but not for more than three years, and if it concerns a cleric, with the prior consent of the ordinary of the place in which he must reside. To extend an indult or to grant it for more than three years is reserved to the Holy See, or to the diocesan bishop if it concerns institutes of diocesan right.

    §2. It is only for the Apostolic See to grant an indult of exclaustration for nuns.

    §3. At the petition of the supreme moderator with the consent of the council, exclaustration can be imposed by the Holy See on a member of an institute of pontifical right, or by a diocesan bishop on a member of an institute of diocesan right, for grave causes, with equity and charity observed.

    Can. 687 An exclaustrated member is considered freed from the obligations which cannot be reconciled with the new condition of his or her life, yet remains dependent upon and under the care of superiors and also of the local ordinary, especially if the member is a cleric. The member can wear the habit of the institute unless the indult determines otherwise. Nevertheless, the member lacks active and passive voice.

    Can. 688 §1. A person who wishes to leave an institute can depart from it when the time of profession has been completed.

    §2. During the time of temporary profession, a person who asks to leave the institute for a grave cause can obtain an indult of departure from the supreme moderator with the consent of the council in an institute of pontifical right. In institutes of diocesan right and in the monasteries mentioned in ⇒ can. 615, however, the bishop of the house of assignment must confirm the indult for it to be valid.

    Can. 689 §1. If there are just causes, the competent major superior, after having heard the council, can exclude a member from making a subsequent profession when the period of temporary profession has been completed.

    §2. Physical or psychic illness, even contracted after profession, which in the judgment of experts renders the member mentioned in §1 unsuited to lead the life of the institute constitutes a cause for not admitting the member to renew profession or to make perpetual profession, unless the illness had been contracted through the negligence of the institute or through work performed in the institute.

    §3. If, however, a religious becomes insane during the period of temporary vows, even though unable to make a new profession, the religious cannot be dismissed from the institute.

    Can. 690 §1. The supreme moderator with the consent of the council can readmit without the burden of repeating the novitiate one who had legitimately left the institute after completing the novitiate or after profession. Moreover, it will be for the same moderator to determine an appropriate probation prior to temporary profession and the time of vows to precede perpetual profession, according to the norm of cann. ⇒ 655 and ⇒ 657.

    §2. The superior of an autonomous monastery with the consent of the council possesses the same faculty.

    Can. 691 §1. A perpetually professed religious is not to request an indult of departure from an institute except for the gravest of causes considered before the Lord. The religious is to present a petition to the supreme moderator of the institute who is to transmit it along with a personal opinion and the opinion of the council to the competent authority.

    §2. In institutes of pontifical right, an indult of this type is reserved to the Apostolic See. In institutes of diocesan right, however, the bishop of the diocese in which the house of assignment is situated can also grant it.

    Can. 692 Unless it has been rejected by the member in the act of notification, an indult of departure granted legitimately and made known to the member entails by the law itself dispensation from the vows and from all the obligations arising from profession.

    Can. 693 If a member is a cleric, an indult is not granted before he finds a bishop who incardinates him in the diocese or at least receives him experimentally. If he is received experimentally, he is incardinated into the diocese by the law itself after five years have passed, unless the bishop has refused him.

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    How much do monkspriests get paid?
    « Reply #16 on: April 30, 2014, 03:00:31 AM »
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    Also, what if a person wishes to become a monk or a priest but has a lot of debt?

    All debts and bonds have to be satisfied before a novice can be professed.  


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    How much do monkspriests get paid?
    « Reply #17 on: April 30, 2014, 03:02:55 AM »
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    can you ever stop being a monk in order to get married? what if a monk and a nun fell in love? what would happen?

    Also, what if a person wishes to become a monk or a priest but has a lot of debt?


    Not gonna happen because they each stay in their own monasteries and dont see the opposite sex.

    Anyone who wants to be a monk, a real monk, in a traditional monastery, wants to go there to get peace and purity. They go there to detox the mind from the world. Some people have no attachment to the world anymore. As a man who wants to be one, I say women can be forgotten, and all that remains is a love of the mass and the only thing you value is prayer. Some people give up everything they could have, to live a life of holiness. When or if I get into a monastery, I will hold out hope of being rewarded by God, but if He gives me His forgiveness, then I can ask for nothing more. I dont care about anything now, except this. God is the only thing that can animate me. I seek to overcome my habits of sin, and that is why I want to go to an oaisis of holiness. Though Catholics seem to be weird or unusual, and some men who are not withdrawn enough from the temptations of the world will find nuns alluring and would hope to corrupt them, a real man will honour the state of professional religious people, and if one has the faith they will not be tempted with this temptation. You speak of what if? In the novus ordo is false Catholics and it probably has happened many times, but how are they different to any other whore without the faith? The faith is what they are supposed to have in common, but in their unholy union they destroy the very thing that draws them to each other, and are left with nothing. In fact it is only lust. Call it what it is. There are many Catholic girls out there who believe in waiting for marriage, and these are virgins if that appeals to some men out there, but in any case, I dont have these thoughts about nuns, and I would be happy if i never saw a nun again, if i were to be a monk, i would only see God wherever I go, and I would nourish myself on an interior life and an interior hope. Gone are the days where I hope to influence the world or the church, from that time on, I work on making myself perfect.
    This is what those who are called to orders are like. They do not lose their humanity, but they seek to conquer it, and become as robots without a computer virus.


    These are reasons why I would consider becoming a monk. It seems like it would be easier to live a life of holiness, and stay away from sin. At the same time, I have always had this dream to get married. It would be awful hard to make that sacrifice to become a monk. But then again, sometimes I wonder if I am too weak to make it out here in this corrupt world.

    You need to live the holiness that God calls you to. You can be very holy in the monastery and you can be very holy being married and living out in the world. I would recommend that you pray to the Holy Spirit for discernment.  

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    « Reply #18 on: April 30, 2014, 03:12:28 AM »
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    can you ever stop being a monk in order to get married? what if a monk and a nun fell in love? what would happen?

    Also, what if a person wishes to become a monk or a priest but has a lot of debt?


    Not gonna happen because they each stay in their own monasteries and dont see the opposite sex.

    Anyone who wants to be a monk, a real monk, in a traditional monastery, wants to go there to get peace and purity. They go there to detox the mind from the world. Some people have no attachment to the world anymore. As a man who wants to be one, I say women can be forgotten, and all that remains is a love of the mass and the only thing you value is prayer. Some people give up everything they could have, to live a life of holiness. When or if I get into a monastery, I will hold out hope of being rewarded by God, but if He gives me His forgiveness, then I can ask for nothing more. I dont care about anything now, except this. God is the only thing that can animate me. I seek to overcome my habits of sin, and that is why I want to go to an oaisis of holiness. Though Catholics seem to be weird or unusual, and some men who are not withdrawn enough from the temptations of the world will find nuns alluring and would hope to corrupt them, a real man will honour the state of professional religious people, and if one has the faith they will not be tempted with this temptation. You speak of what if? In the novus ordo is false Catholics and it probably has happened many times, but how are they different to any other whore without the faith? The faith is what they are supposed to have in common, but in their unholy union they destroy the very thing that draws them to each other, and are left with nothing. In fact it is only lust. Call it what it is. There are many Catholic girls out there who believe in waiting for marriage, and these are virgins if that appeals to some men out there, but in any case, I dont have these thoughts about nuns, and I would be happy if i never saw a nun again, if i were to be a monk, i would only see God wherever I go, and I would nourish myself on an interior life and an interior hope. Gone are the days where I hope to influence the world or the church, from that time on, I work on making myself perfect.
    This is what those who are called to orders are like. They do not lose their humanity, but they seek to conquer it, and become as robots without a computer virus.


    These are reasons why I would consider becoming a monk. It seems like it would be easier to live a life of holiness, and stay away from sin. At the same time, I have always had this dream to get married. It would be awful hard to make that sacrifice to become a monk. But then again, sometimes I wonder if I am too weak to make it out here in this corrupt world.


    Hiding from the world is not the way to achieve holiness.  One has to discern God's will for him and live that life to his best ability.  Just look at St. Benedict no matter how much he wanted to live as a hermit and be alone with God, it just was not meant to be.

    When you keep yourself in the state of grace and avail of the sacraments worthily as frequently as possible, you will be able to overcome many sins you have.  


    At one point in time I was a college student and had my own apartment. I didn't know a single soul for 2 years, and had no job. I went to mass 1 time a week, and my relationship with God was strong. You can almost say that I was living the lifestyle of a monk only I was not in poverty. I was happy at this time in life even though I did not have anything to do other than read religious stuff and study for my classes. That was the happiest time in my life because of my relationship with the Lord. Sure it got boring at times, but I saw things more clearly than ever before. There was 1 sin that I could never completely shrug off however. That is masturbation. Ever since puberty I masturbated daily. Then I decided to try to get rid of it (when I found out it was a mortal sin). The best I could ever do was go 2 months without it, and this was during the 2 years that I was going to school and avoiding sin as much as possible

    Then some stuff happened, and things went down hill. Now I have fallen back into my old ways (especially with smoking cigarettes on and off). When I smoke regularly I  can't see the Lord. Sometimes I think I would stay away from this stupid habit if I became a monk or a priest. It seems there are more graces in living this lifestyle that would help me to avoid sin (both smoking and masturbation).

    Then I start thinking about how really nothing in this world matters other than staying in Grace and focusing on the Lord. All these other things i.e. prospect of marriage are good things but not necessary. They can actually be a distraction if not practiced properly and you are with the wrong person. Even if I were with the right person, Satan is always after me one way or another. I am not sure if I can withstand anymore beatings. If I did get married I would need to be strong in Faith for my family. Right now I am not so sure I can do that. It seems there are a lot of different factors playing against me.

    I worry that ever since things have been going down hill for me, that I have been becoming wicked. I sure haven't seen the Lord nearly as much in my life. Maybe becoming a monk is the answer.

    Joining a monastery is not the way to make your problems go away. If/when you go to the monastery you will find the same temptations waiting for you. Entering the monastery is a response to a call from God. If you are just going there to try to escape from your problems (and who doesn't want to escape from their problems?) then you are doing the wrong thing. You can be married with children and be holy. (Look at St Joseph) I am not saying "no" you shouldn't do it. I am just saying that you really can't run away from your problems.

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    How much do monkspriests get paid?
    « Reply #19 on: May 01, 2014, 09:09:42 AM »
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    « Reply #20 on: May 01, 2014, 06:19:45 PM »
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    Also, what if a person wishes to become a monk or a priest but has a lot of debt?


    A monk can be dispensed.

    Generally you have to be free from debt.  An exception is often made for educational debt, which monasteries that can afford it are sometimes willing to assume.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #21 on: May 01, 2014, 06:21:51 PM »
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    If you have a monastic vocation, I pray God will make that clear to you and give you the grace to follow it.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir