Author Topic: How do you deal with ambiguity? (Read 1333 times)

InfiniteFaith · « **on:** August 22, 2013, 02:22:32 AM »

I am closing in on graduation, and if I don't end up pursuing a master's I will end up getting a job. I have read somewhere on this site that ambiguity is a sign of the devil at hand. I totally believe that. I believe it is morally wrong. Anyways, one of my biggest fears is having to deal with a lot of ambiguity once I get back out there in the work force. I have dealt with a lot of ambiguity, in the form of condescending remarks, in the past and in the work place. To be honest, I have had it up to here with it. I'm so sick and tired of it. If it were up to me, people who practice this tactic would never move up the corporate ladder. I would fire them all too.

It seems people use this tactic as a form of control. A lot of times people work together on it too. Thats when it really becomes powerful. You can't fight a crowd of people, and when they are all working together and focusing on one individual there is not much that can be done. You can't prove it either. Thats why they do it that way...so things won't become legal. They know its the most effective way to play the system and get other people to react in the way that they want.

So my question to you all is...How do you deal with situations like this? I normally just avoid people who practice these sorts of things, but if it is happening at work its kind of hard to avoid them.

Frances · « **Reply #1 on:** August 22, 2013, 08:14:23 AM »

Unless you plan to work by yourself, I'm afraid it IS unavoidable, as are many even worse traits of those who do not know God. Perhaps you should become a contemplative religious? Or find a solitary job?

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #2 on:** August 22, 2013, 11:52:14 AM »

Good questions to contemplate, IF, from Frances.

It really does take much experience and a constant effort to step further and further back from our society in order to even begin to more fully recognize its vacuity and material obsessiveness.

If you are already, and I presume you to be a young man, as aware of the ambiguity permeating the inner and external "reality" of most of your contemporaries, I'd give Frances' advice some VERY serious thought.

I can tell you after a number of decades of dealing with literally thousands of people in my work and socially - I have fewer than two dozen I consider worth listening to for reasons other than politeness.

You're seeing it early on. THAT is a grace.

Good luck to you.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #3 on:** August 22, 2013, 01:33:02 PM »

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Good questions to contemplate, IF, from Frances.

It really does take much experience and a constant effort to step further and further back from our society in order to even begin to more fully recognize its vacuity and material obsessiveness.

If you are already, and I presume you to be a young man, as aware of the ambiguity permeating the inner and external "reality" of most of your contemporaries, I'd give Frances' advice some VERY serious thought.

I can tell you after a number of decades of dealing with literally thousands of people in my work and socially - I have fewer than two dozen I consider worth listening to for reasons other than politeness.

You're seeing it early on. THAT is a grace.

Good luck to you.

So have you been treated like that? I'm not going to just let people use this as an excuse for me to become a priest. I wan't to get married someday.

ggreg · « **Reply #4 on:** August 22, 2013, 01:43:46 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

I am closing in on graduation, and if I don't end up pursuing a master's I will end up getting a job. I have read somewhere on this site that ambiguity is a sign of the devil at hand. I totally believe that. I believe it is morally wrong. Anyways, one of my biggest fears is having to deal with a lot of ambiguity once I get back out there in the work force. I have dealt with a lot of ambiguity, in the form of condescending remarks, in the past and in the work place. To be honest, I have had it up to here with it. I'm so sick and tired of it. If it were up to me, people who practice this tactic would never move up the corporate ladder. I would fire them all too.

And there's the rub. Until you are above them you cannot fire them.

If you're "sick and tired" now, then here is some bad news, you have another 50 years of it.

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

So my question to you all is...How do you deal with situations like this? I normally just avoid people who practice these sorts of things, but if it is happening at work its kind of hard to avoid them.

I handled it by doing my job to the best of my ability, bringing more money into the firm than other people and being more important than them to the profitability of the firm. Then they feared pissing me off, because if the boss had to choose which one of us to fire, gue$$ what his major con$ideration wa$?

You can't avoid them, but you CAN give them an incentive to avoid you.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #5 on:** August 22, 2013, 01:46:24 PM »

Quote from: ggreg

Quote from: InfiniteFaith
I am closing in on graduation, and if I don't end up pursuing a master's I will end up getting a job. I have read somewhere on this site that ambiguity is a sign of the devil at hand. I totally believe that. I believe it is morally wrong. Anyways, one of my biggest fears is having to deal with a lot of ambiguity once I get back out there in the work force. I have dealt with a lot of ambiguity, in the form of condescending remarks, in the past and in the work place. To be honest, I have had it up to here with it. I'm so sick and tired of it. If it were up to me, people who practice this tactic would never move up the corporate ladder. I would fire them all too.

And there's the rub. Until you are above them you cannot fire them.

If you're "sick and tired" now, then here is some bad news, you have another 50 years of it.

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

So my question to you all is...How do you deal with situations like this? I normally just avoid people who practice these sorts of things, but if it is happening at work its kind of hard to avoid them.

I handled it by doing my job to the best of my ability, bringing more money into the firm than other people and being more important than them to the profitability of the firm. Then they feared pissing me off, because if the boss had to choose which one of us to fire, gue$$ what his major con$ideration wa$?

You can't avoid them, but you CAN give them an incentive to avoid you.

Did you ever confront them about it? I know if you did they would probably just lie.

ggreg · « **Reply #6 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:10:20 PM »

InfiniteFaith - I had a contract at a huge software and news data firm a few years ago and decided to work in their London Office rather than at home. Mainly so that the big boss could see what he was getting for his money. One of the problems of consulting for a living from home, is the perception of value.

The entire office was Open Plan and being a media organisation the people there were pretty liberal. The bosses however, very often are more conservative though, liberals and homos lack the discipline to get to the top and perform at the top of the corporate world. Whatever you think about CEOs and corporate men I can tell you they work like buggers and do 70-80 hour weeks frequently.

Anyway, the big boss was out for a couple of days and a woman of about 40 (my age at the time) and a sodomite of 26 who were like two peas in a pod got wind of the fact I had 5 children. The jibes began and then they began an incredibly smutty conversation about how if women takes it up the bum it reduces family size etc. It went on an on for 30 minutes plus. Far worse than anything else I've EVER experienced in an office.

I just carried on working the phone (as best I could) and calling hedge funds to help sell a new service this firm had and obtain C-level meetings for the big boss himself to attend. I recorded the calls (legal in the UK) and by pointing my mouth mic tube away I also recorded the smutty background conversation these two people were having. Then I put the recordings together on a mixing desk, which my business partner at the time owned for making podcasts and his music, it was very simple to boost the recording level of their conversation to easily audible levels so you could hear my business conversation and their smut at the same time.

When the boss came back and we reviewed my calls, I started by asking to be able to sit in the free workstation next to him, where it was quieter to work and pointed out, with subtlely, that it was pretty embarassing when clients were hearing conversations like this......

He went absolutely ape-shit with both of them.

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and docuмent everything.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #7 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:36:56 PM »

Quote from: ggreg

InfiniteFaith - I had a contract at a huge software and news data firm a few years ago and decided to work in their London Office rather than at home. Mainly so that the big boss could see what he was getting for his money. One of the problems of consulting for a living from home, is the perception of value.

The entire office was Open Plan and being a media organisation the people there were pretty liberal. The bosses however, very often are more conservative though, liberals and homos lack the discipline to get to the top and perform at the top of the corporate world. Whatever you think about CEOs and corporate men I can tell you they work like buggers and do 70-80 hour weeks frequently.

Anyway, the big boss was out for a couple of days and a woman of about 40 (my age at the time) and a sodomite of 26 who were like two peas in a pod got wind of the fact I had 5 children. The jibes began and then they began an incredibly smutty conversation about how if women takes it up the bum it reduces family size etc. It went on an on for 30 minutes plus. Far worse than anything else I've EVER experienced in an office.

I just carried on working the phone (as best I could) and calling hedge funds to help sell a new service this firm had and obtain C-level meetings for the big boss himself to attend. I recorded the calls (legal in the UK) and by pointing my mouth mic tube away I also recorded the smutty background conversation these two people were having. Then I put the recordings together on a mixing desk, which my business partner at the time owned for making podcasts and his music, it was very simple to boost the recording level of their conversation to easily audible levels so you could hear my business conversation and their smut at the same time.

When the boss came back and we reviewed my calls, I started by asking to be able to sit in the free workstation next to him, where it was quieter to work and pointed out, with subtlely, that it was pretty embarassing when clients were hearing conversations like this......

He went absolutely ape-shit with both of them.

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and docuмent everything.

To me thats nothing. I'm talking about when people gang up on you at the work place. Are you suggesting that liberals and homos should be treated with ambiguity to get more production out of them?

ggreg · « **Reply #8 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:41:00 PM »

I've never had people gang up. Why would they? What would motivate them? Give me a scenario, real or hypothetical.

OHCA · « **Reply #9 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:33:59 PM »

I'm not sure "ambiguity" is the right term.

ggreg · « **Reply #10 on:** August 22, 2013, 05:02:23 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Are you suggesting that liberals and homos should be treated with ambiguity to get more production out of them?

No, and how you could derive that idea from what I wrote above I have no clue.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #11 on:** August 22, 2013, 05:04:50 PM »

Quote from: OHCA

I'm not sure "ambiguity" is the right term.

Condescending is. I thought that might fall under ambiguity.

ggreg · « **Reply #12 on:** August 22, 2013, 05:08:24 PM »

That is easy. You just ignore it and offer it up as a penance. Eventually people get bored if they cannot get a rise out of you.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #13 on:** August 22, 2013, 05:09:47 PM »

Quote from: ggreg

I've never had people gang up. Why would they? What would motivate them? Give me a scenario, real or hypothetical.

I was in the army for a number of years. One of the management tactics they like to use is peer pressure in order to get people to act in certain ways and do things. Some people really take things a step further and use this condescending mentality to hurt others. I have had that happen a lot to me especially when I was in the military. I have also been having it happen a lot lately where people make comments condescendingly and I know they are talking about me. Its rude, annoying, and it makes me mad. I am currently at a university where there are a lot of Jєωs so that could be part of the reason why. Perhaps satan is putting it in their heads to say these things to me condescendingly. They make condescending statements because its their way of avoiding legal ramifications. Plus they are probably cowards.

They make comments about the things that I say on this website a lot of times. They also make comments about stuff that is on (or in) my facebook profile. They have given me enough reason to believe that they have hacked into my facebook account.

I once used a computer at the main campus of my university to access this website. Ever since a few of the teachers have really made some condescending remarks about the stuff I have said here. I am convinced this is what they are doing.

Those are just a few recent examples.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #14 on:** August 22, 2013, 05:20:02 PM »

The other day, in my psychology class, my teacher used a computer to access the internet and projected it on the projector. He stumbled on a gαy porn site. We kinda laughed. But the idiot did not try to quickly get off the page. Instead he sat on the page and alls we saw was this guy masturbating and this other guy's bare behind. I couldn't believe the teacher kept us looking at this screen for over 1 minute. This is at a Catholic university by the way. Then the guy called me "gαy" later on during class. In a condescending manner of course.

This university I have been at has totally been over run by the forces of satan. The vast majority of the faculty here are non-Catholics. Most of which are heathens, atheists, agnostics, and Jєωs. I can't believe that the Bishop of Seattle and whoever else is in charge even allowed this situation to develop. They do not care who they have hired to run our university. Its been taken over like I said.