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Offline frluc

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« on: March 05, 2013, 09:44:12 PM »
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  • I have this date uploaded to Archive.org Malachi Martin's, "Hostage To The Devil".
    http://archive.org/details/HostageToTheDevil
    I am new to this site but I noticed reference to someone doing lay exorcisms.
    This sent a shiver down my spine.
    The subject of Exorcism should be treated with great respect and not as a novelty.


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    « Reply #1 on: March 06, 2013, 09:25:41 PM »
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  • I have the book. I started reading it and then I couldn't take it anymore. Do you have any other book in mind about exorcisms to read?


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    « Reply #2 on: March 06, 2013, 10:02:26 PM »
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  • When I posted the link I knew it would not be for everyone, but I did so due to the dabbling in 'lay exorcisms' [mentioned on this site] which I view as akin to a Ouija board.
    If the book once affected you that way then accept it that such materials are not for you. Even movies such as the Exorcist. I myself will not watch these movies.
    The whole point is that you don't dabble with satan.
    I was able to read this book, although very uncomfortably, and I did profit by it. If someone asked me to do an exorcism I would quickly pass it on to someone else.
    Let those who are meant to do these things do them; we the children of God are free!

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    « Reply #3 on: March 06, 2013, 11:49:44 PM »
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  • A Book On The Subject That Looks Like It Might Be A Good One

    "An Exorcist Tells His Story," by Fr. Gabriele Amorth  

    Book Description

    "In this powerful book, the renowned exorcist of Rome tells of his many experiences in his ministry as an exorcist doing battle with Satan to relieve the great suffering of people in the grip of evil. The importance of the ministry to "expel demons" is clearly seen in the Gospels, from the actions of the Apostles, and from Church history. Fr. Amorth allows the reader to witness the activities of the exorcist, to experience what an exorcist sees and does. He also reveals how little modern science, psychology, and medicine can do to help those under Satan's influence, and that only the power of Christ can release them from this kind of mental, spiritual or physical suffering.
    An Exorcist Tells His Story has been a European best-seller that has gone through numerous printings and editions. No other book today so thoroughly and concisely discusses the topic of exorcism."

    A Reader's Review

    By David Haggith
    Format:Paperback
    C.S. Lewis said there are two mistakes people usually make when it comes to the devil: one is not to believe in him at all; the other is to believe in him too much.
    According to Father Amorth, only priests have the gift of exorcism. The problem, he points out, is that there are virtually no priests left in the Catholic Church who believe in demons or exorcisms. That's the first danger pointed out by C.S. Lewis. Even Ignatius Press, a Catholic publisher, apparently could not find a Catholic priest who believed in exorcisms because the foreword is written (reluctantly) by a priest who can only say, "I have difficulties with Fr. Amroth's [sic.] approach." He then closes his foreword with the warning, "This book needs to be read with care but with an open mind." Not much of a recommendation as forewords go. It may be that the priest writing the foreword believes in the devil, but just believes there are better ways of dealing with the devil. He doesn't say what it is about Fr. Amorth's approach that bothers him. He does say, however, "I recognize in this book the account of an intelligent and dedicated pastor who has had the courage to go where most of us fear to tread."

    Perhaps some caution in reading the book is wise--not that you will go wrong by reading it, but because the other peril with the devil is believing in him too much. The more some people read about demons, the more they see them . . . in everything that goes wrong. They start to live in fear, and if the devil has one great power over us, I suspect fear is his greatest weapon. If you're the type of person who reads a family medical guide and says, "Oh, I have that. I've felt that," and then reads about the next illness and says, "Oh, I might have that, too," then this isn't the book for you...."

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0898707102/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0898707102&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    "Gabriele Amorth (born 1 May 1925) is an Italian Roman Catholic priest and an exorcist of the Diocese of Rome who claims to have cleansed tens of thousands of demonic possessions."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriele_Amorth
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    « Reply #4 on: March 07, 2013, 12:37:51 AM »
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  • I read the Amorth book a couple years back.

    A. It needs editing, badly.  It's pretty choppy.

    B. Fr. Amorth is a Medjugoogoo. Kinda weird what with all the theological crud that comes with that silly pakage and he being an orthodox priest.

    C. There isn't much in it that can't be found from other good sources.

    D. It has moments of interest, if that topic's your interest.

    E. Fr. Amorth comes off as fair and balanced in his expressions and insights.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 07, 2013, 10:17:25 AM »
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  • Be very careful reading Hostage to the Devil. There are some parts in there that I had to put the book down, because it was so graphic and disgusting. Sure, he illustrates what necessarily needed to be shown, but it was not for the faint of heart. If I recall, it was the third story in there about the transsɛҳuąƖ. It made me cry what Satanists do with the Holy Eucharist.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #6 on: March 07, 2013, 12:24:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Anthony Benedict
    I read the Amorth book a couple years back.

    A. It needs editing, badly.  It's pretty choppy.

    B. Fr. Amorth is a Medjugoogoo. Kinda weird what with all the theological crud that comes with that silly pakage and he being an orthodox priest.

    C. There isn't much in it that can't be found from other good sources.

    D. It has moments of interest, if that topic's your interest.

    E. Fr. Amorth comes off as fair and balanced in his expressions and insights.


    What sources would you suggest?  
    We are true israel and israel is in bondage.  

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    « Reply #7 on: March 07, 2013, 03:31:01 PM »
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  • Y'know, renzo, its been so long since I even bothered with this issue that I have forgotten the exact where and whom and what of it.

    I do recall having the impression, as I did read through Fr. Amorth's book a couple years back, that I had read much the same basic information concerning discernment and praxis in the past.

    I wish I could recall just where.  I expect there is probably a fair amount out there to be looked at with a quick internet search, of course.

    Sometimes, if I let my pea-sized brain just work on it, the answer will pop up after awhile. So, if I do recall, I'll get back to you.

    All I can say is that for many, many years I've always tried to read only the most Catholic of sources so whatever it was I did read was no doubt solid and, very likely, written well before the council.

    Sorry I cannot be of more help at this very moment.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 07, 2013, 04:56:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: songbird
    I have the book. I started reading it and then I couldn't take it anymore. Do you have any other book in mind about exorcisms to read?


    Ditto to putting it down.. I tried for about 5 months several times but had to
    finally quit altogether.  It's just too intense, not for me.  When you read
    something that makes your Rosary meditations all revert back to some sinister
    moral crime like murder or devil worship, it's time to stop reading it and
    anything like it.  

    I got the same effect from trying to read the Screwtape Letters.  So no, those
    things are not for me.  

    Malachi Martin might be a talented story teller, but his style tends to sink a
    cold, sharp knife into my soul and it isn't something I appreciate.  

    I would recommend Preparation for Death by St. Alphonsus de Liguori,
    Doctor of the Church.  That has some scary stories in it, with appropriate
    commentary.  

    Also, Purgatory (as explained by the lives and legends of the saints) by Fr.
    F.X.Schouppe, S.J., is a great book.  It's over 100 years old.  It has some
    pretty amazing stories.  

    Padre Pio lived a life of dealing with demonic possession and personal battles
    with the devil, but he was equipped to handle it.  I have seen several books
    about him, but all the most interesting stories are those that people retell
    having known the persons involved personally.  It seems nobody has been
    able to publish a really accurate and powerful book about him, for the books
    all tend to leave out the most edifying parts of his life and miracles.  Very odd.

    For example, Fr. Pfeiffer tells of a woman from Britain who was born without
    pupils in her eyes, and she went to Padre Pio, who restored her sight.  But he
    did not give her pupils.  So then she went home and learned to drive a car,
    and got her license, and reads books, and cries, and still has no pupils.  I
    have never seen this story in any of the books about our Stigmatist Saint
    Priest.  I would expect that the publishers all said -- "Naaaah. This one's too
    much.  We would be ridiculed."  The fear of ridicule is very powerful.

    There is one movie that is far and away the best about him, and you can
    view it online now.  The director was given one opportunity to screen it in
    the USA, on one day, and I was there to see it.  I was with my family, and
    I had heard about the screening from a flyer at St. Peter's Church on
    Broadway in L.A., for there is an Italian community there, and at Saint
    Joseph's Table that year a stack of flyers was setting on a table, provided
    by a parishioner who was an Italian Film Club member, and he knew the
    "Miracle Man" director, Carlo Carlei.  It's funny, speaking of the fear of
    ridicule, his name is reminiscent of Galileo Galilei, isn't it?  But I digress...

    There is an exorcism scene in this movie that will literally curl your fingernails.

    We had to wait about 20 minutes longer than the showtime start, outside
    the theater.  The crowd was getting restless, and people started to pound
    their fists on the heavy wooden doors.  I got the feeling I was in the middle
    ages or something.  Some of the people were dressed in what would seem
    to be costumes, with extreme makeup and hair stuff going on.  "But this is
    Hollywood, you know," I kept telling myself...

    At long last, the doors opened, quietly, like a ghost castle, and we went in to
    take our seats.  The theater was a bit more than half full.  The movie projectors
    would not run at first, which gave the director about a half hour to talk to us, the
    audience.  Mr. Carlei said that during the filming of the movie, he had numerous
    equipment failures and odd things go wrong, such that it took a lot longer to film
    than it should have.  He had had a lot of moviemaking experience before that
    and had never encountered anything like this.  

    And he said that this was the present situation as well, for these fine and
    wonderful projectors that are in excellent repair, and have never broken down
    for any other movies in this theater, are now somehow not working, and the
    very capable technicians who are inspecting and testing them say that there
    is nothing they can find that is out of order, for all essential system components
    are functional and check out to be in working order.  But the systems as a
    whole do not turn on.  And yes, there is power to the systems, and all the
    indicator lights are on, as though the projectors should run, but they don't.

    In all cases, he had found that only by invoking the aid of Padre Pio had he
    been able to continue with the filming.  And so, he asked everyone present to
    pause for a moment of silence and to ask in our hearts for Padre Pio to help
    make the movie projectors work again, after which time, the two projectors
    began to work again.  It was as if they rose again from the dead...


    Many of the people in the audience were not Catholic, but I have to wonder:  
    how many of them converted that afternoon?


    When we left the theater, there was a heckling crowd outside, many of whom
    were dressed up in Goth costumes with orange and green hair, or black and
    cloudy makeup, and girls with black fingernails, all accusing us of interfering
    with their time slot to see the next screening of some other nonsense movie
    that the theater was rented to show that day.  We had to walk through the
    mulling mob of hateful onlookers as though we were on the Way of the Cross
    or something.  Very surreal.  




    In case you hadn't guessed, I recommend the film.  It is best to see it
    the first time in the Italian version, with English sub-titles.  If you prefer to
    have the English version, see that second, and you will then want to see the
    Italian version again, for the third time.   The sound effects and the
    authenticity of the voices are most compelling in the Italian version.
    Even
    though it was a movie made for TV, I would say it ranks among the finest
    movies ever made.  It's even better than "The Ten Commandments" with
    Charlton Heston, by Cecil B. DeMille.



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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #9 on: March 07, 2013, 05:05:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: Renzo
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    I read the Amorth book a couple years back.

    A. It needs editing, badly.  It's pretty choppy.

    B. Fr. Amorth is a Medjugoogoo. Kinda weird what with all the theological crud that comes with that silly pakage and he being an orthodox priest.

    C. There isn't much in it that can't be found from other good sources.

    D. It has moments of interest, if that topic's your interest.

    E. Fr. Amorth comes off as fair and balanced in his expressions and insights.


    What sources would you suggest?  




    Would I be wrong to summarize, that you are saying Fr. Amorth is a fair and
    balanced Medjugoogoo?




    I don't know much about him, but things I have heard are pretty positive.  
    He advocates the traditional form for exorcism, and recently someone
    said that Fr. Amorth was issuing norms for a return to the traditional form
    because he was just fed up with all the complaints about how the post-Vat.II
    reformed exorcism rite was NOT WORKING.  So he sounds like he's got his
    head screwed on straight, anyway, unlike certain other higher-ups in the
    Vatican.




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