Author Topic: Honor your Father and Mother (Read 1101 times)

InfiniteFaith · « **on:** October 04, 2014, 03:16:02 PM »

"Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, Honor your father and mother and "Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death"

What exactly does this mean? If we say something negative to our Father and Mother we should be put to death?

What does it mean to curse someone?

Disputaciones · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2014, 04:17:43 PM »

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It is not disrespect, however, for a child to dislike or protest against evils done by his parents. The assistance owed to parents is both spiritual and corporal, and children sin when they neglect the religious welfare of their parents (e.g., by not respectfully admonishing them when the parents do not lead a good life, by not obtaining for them the Sacraments, prayers and suffrages they need), or deny them bodily aid (e.g., by refusing them help or comfort when they are poor, persecuted, or suffering).

McHugh and Callan 2633 b.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #2 on:** October 04, 2014, 05:43:52 PM »

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It is not disrespect, however, for a child to dislike or protest against evils done by his parents. The assistance owed to parents is both spiritual and corporal, and children sin when they neglect the religious welfare of their parents (e.g., by not respectfully admonishing them when the parents do not lead a good life, by not obtaining for them the Sacraments, prayers and suffrages they need), or deny them bodily aid (e.g., by refusing them help or comfort when they are poor, persecuted, or suffering).

McHugh and Callan 2633 b.

So if I call one of my parents a name then I should be put to death?

Disputaciones · « **Reply #3 on:** October 04, 2014, 06:26:40 PM »

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It is not disrespect, however, for a child to dislike or protest against evils done by his parents. The assistance owed to parents is both spiritual and corporal, and children sin when they neglect the religious welfare of their parents (e.g., by not respectfully admonishing them when the parents do not lead a good life, by not obtaining for them the Sacraments, prayers and suffrages they need), or deny them bodily aid (e.g., by refusing them help or comfort when they are poor, persecuted, or suffering).

McHugh and Callan 2633 b.

So if I call one of my parents a name then I should be put to death?

Of course not. That was in the Old Testament. The same thing as adulterers being put to death if caught, and other offenders.

Marlelar · « **Reply #4 on:** October 04, 2014, 07:30:21 PM »

Matthew 15:4 Honour thy father and mother: And: He that shall curse father or mother, let him die the death. (Douay-Rheims)

To curse someone is to call down evil upon them. So cursing your parents would be calling down evil upon those who gave you life.

If we just say something "negative" or disrespectful then we need to apologize and make amends.

It's one thing to lose ones temper and speak disrespectfully, it's quite another to want harm (perhaps even damnation?) to come to someone.

Marsha

MyrnaM · « **Reply #5 on:** October 04, 2014, 07:36:36 PM »

The Bible says when we honor our parents we will be given a long life.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #6 on:** October 04, 2014, 08:46:29 PM »

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Matthew 15:4 Honour thy father and mother: And: He that shall curse father or mother, let him die the death. (Douay-Rheims)

To curse someone is to call down evil upon them. So cursing your parents would be calling down evil upon those who gave you life.

If we just say something "negative" or disrespectful then we need to apologize and make amends.

It's one thing to lose ones temper and speak disrespectfully, it's quite another to want harm (perhaps even damnation?) to come to someone.

Marsha

I was thinking along those lines as well. Like if I were to curse one of my parents with witchcraft -or- wish them to go to hell.

OHCA · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2014, 09:22:42 PM »

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Matthew 15:4 Honour thy father and mother: And: He that shall curse father or mother, let him die the death. (Douay-Rheims)

To curse someone is to call down evil upon them. So cursing your parents would be calling down evil upon those who gave you life.

If we just say something "negative" or disrespectful then we need to apologize and make amends.

It's one thing to lose ones temper and speak disrespectfully, it's quite another to want harm (perhaps even damnation?) to come to someone.

Marsha

I was thinking along those lines as well. Like if I were to curse one of my parents with witchcraft -or- wish them to go to hell.

Witchcraft? Yes--either of those things. But why would a Catholic think of cursing someone with "witchcraft?"

Have you been catechised by a traditional priest? I had a relatively more solid catechism in conciliardom than most get, plus picked up a lot by reading pre-V-II material on my own. But in studying under a traditional priest, I have picked up a lot that I had missed.

In all seriousness and without intending offense, I suggest you get some catechism under a traditional priest.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #8 on:** October 04, 2014, 09:29:34 PM »

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I was thinking along those lines as well. Like if I were to curse one of my parents with witchcraft -or- wish them to go to hell.

Are you thinking of doing any of those things?

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2014, 09:59:33 PM »

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I was thinking along those lines as well. Like if I were to curse one of my parents with witchcraft -or- wish them to go to hell.

Are you thinking of doing any of those things?

No. I was thinking that maybe back in those days things like that were more common. Aren't the Jєωs known to be superstitious and practice sorcery (witchcraft)?

Galatians 5:20-21- "Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Revelation 9:21-"Nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sɛҳuąƖ immorality or their thefts."

I was almost wondering if this was what Christ was referring to when he said "cursed".

Disputaciones · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2014, 10:41:11 PM »

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I was thinking along those lines as well. Like if I were to curse one of my parents with witchcraft -or- wish them to go to hell.

Are you thinking of doing any of those things?

No. I was thinking that maybe back in those days things like that were more common. Aren't the Jєωs known to be superstitious and practice sorcery (witchcraft)?

Galatians 5:20-21- "Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Revelation 9:21-"Nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sɛҳuąƖ immorality or their thefts."

I was almost wondering if this was what Christ was referring to when he said "cursed".

What Bible version are those passages from.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #11 on:** October 05, 2014, 08:44:39 PM »

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I was thinking along those lines as well. Like if I were to curse one of my parents with witchcraft -or- wish them to go to hell.

Are you thinking of doing any of those things?

No. I was thinking that maybe back in those days things like that were more common. Aren't the Jєωs known to be superstitious and practice sorcery (witchcraft)?

Galatians 5:20-21- "Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Revelation 9:21-"Nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sɛҳuąƖ immorality or their thefts."

I was almost wondering if this was what Christ was referring to when he said "cursed".

What Bible version are those passages from.

I can't remember now. I just googled it then copied and pasted it.

OHCA · « **Reply #12 on:** October 06, 2014, 12:12:16 AM »

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What Bible version are those passages from.

I can't remember now. I just googled it then copied and pasted it.

You know--that is VERY important!! I would about as soon wipe my ass with the kjv as I would with the filthy koran.

Anytime that you google and find a Bible verse that interests you, I urge you to ALWAYS then go to www.drbo.org and find the corresponding verse there. You will see that it may not even be numbered the same, let alone have the same verbiage.

Don't use any protestant versions nor conciliarist approved versions. I use nothing but the Douay-Rheims. I wish I could read Latin so I could read the Latin Vulgate. I think there is a version called "Confraternity." I am not familiar with it, but I think it's a Catholic version approved before V-II. I don't see why the English speaking world needs anything other than the Douay-Rheims.

poche · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2014, 12:32:00 AM »

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It is not disrespect, however, for a child to dislike or protest against evils done by his parents. The assistance owed to parents is both spiritual and corporal, and children sin when they neglect the religious welfare of their parents (e.g., by not respectfully admonishing them when the parents do not lead a good life, by not obtaining for them the Sacraments, prayers and suffrages they need), or deny them bodily aid (e.g., by refusing them help or comfort when they are poor, persecuted, or suffering).

McHugh and Callan 2633 b.

So if I call one of my parents a name then I should be put to death?

No, but maybe you should go to confession.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2014, 12:38:21 AM »

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What Bible version are those passages from.

I can't remember now. I just googled it then copied and pasted it.

You know--that is VERY important!! I would about as soon wipe my ass with the kjv as I would with the filthy koran.

I think it's very important never to use such language or say such things, even more so on a Sunday.