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  • gαy Catholic group gets VIP treatment at Vatican for first time

    By Philip Pullella

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - A prominent American Catholic gαy rights group was given VIP treatment for the first time at an audience with Pope Francis on Wednesday, a move members saw as a sign of change in the Roman Catholic Church.

    "This is a sign of movement that's due to the Francis effect," said Sister Jeannine Gramick, co-founder of New Ways Ministry, which ministers to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Catholics and promotes gαy rights in the 1.2 billion-member Church.

    Gramick and executive director Francis DeBernardo led a pilgrimage of 50 ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Catholics to the audience in St. Peter's Square.

    They told Reuters in an interview afterwards that when the group came to Rome on Catholic pilgrimages during the papacies of Francis's predecessors John Paul and Benedict, "they just ignored us".

    This time, a U.S. bishop and a top Vatican official backed their request and they sat in a front section with dignitaries and special Catholic groups. As the pope passed, they sang "All Are Welcome," a hymn symbolizing their desire for a more inclusive Church.

    A list of participants released by the Vatican listed "a group of lay people accompanied by a sister" but did not mention that they were a gαy rights organization.

    "What this says is that there is movement in our Church, movement to welcome people from the outside closer to the inside," Gramick said in St. Peter's Square.

    Several months after his election, Francis made his now-famous remark about how he could not judge gαy people who are have good will and are seeking God.

    But he so far shown no sign the Church will change its teaching that while ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is not sinful, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts are.

    Last October, bishops from around the world meeting in Rome to debate questions concerning family issued an interim report calling for greater acceptance of gαys in the Church.

    That passage was watered down in the final version of the report after conservative bishops complained. A second and final meeting on family issues is scheduled for October.

    DeBernardo said Catholic gαy and lesbian couples and other non-traditional families should be invited to the meeting, known as a synod, to speak to the bishops about their faith and their sɛҳuąƖity.

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/gαy-catholic-group-gets-vip-treatment-vatican-first-150206499.html


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  • Sodomy is one of the four sins that cries out to Heaven for vengeance.



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  • Maybe soon Francis will say that homos who die of aids are martyrs.
    R.I.P.
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  • I am not sure if this person is Catholic or not, but he is doing what Catholics need to be doing.

    Pope Francis Holds Meeting With Major ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Group, And Never Condemns Them

    By Theodore Shoebat

    Pope Francis just had a meeting with a major ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ group and he never condemned them. In fact, they were brought in by a top Vatican official and also an American bishop. According to the report:

        A prominent American Catholic gαy rights group was given VIP treatment for the first time at an audience with Pope Francis on Wednesday, a move members saw as a sign of change in the Roman Catholic Church.

        “This is a sign of movement that’s due to the Francis effect,” said Sister Jeannine Gramick, co-founder of New Ways Ministry, which ministers to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Catholics and promotes gαy rights in the 1.2 billion-member Church.

        Gramick and executive director Francis DeBernardo led a pilgrimage of 50 ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Catholics to the audience in St. Peter’s Square.

        They told Reuters in an interview afterwards that when the group came to Rome on Catholic pilgrimages during the papacies of Francis’s predecessors John Paul and Benedict, “they just ignored us”.

        This time, a U.S. bishop and a top Vatican official backed their request and they sat in a front section with dignitaries and special Catholic groups. As the pope passed, they sang “All Are Welcome,” a hymn symbolizing their desire for a more inclusive Church.

        View galleryGramick and Francis DeBernardo pose in front of St. …
        Sister Jeannine Gramick and Francis DeBernardo of New Ways Ministry, which ministers to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ C …
        A list of participants released by the Vatican listed “a group of lay people accompanied by a sister” but did not mention that they were a gαy rights organization.

        “What this says is that there is movement in our Church, movement to welcome people from the outside closer to the inside,” Gramick said in St. Peter’s Square.

    There are major ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ rings in the Vatican, what I like to call “ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ hornets nests.” I myself have had experience with the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ infiltrators in the Catholic Church.

    While we were doing some work in Texas we were told of a man named Msgr. Michael Yarbrough (also known as Michael Yarborough), of Holy Trinity Catholic Church, and how he is a deviant priest who forcefully kissed a young man named Hector Escalante on the lips, and how he was supporting a pro ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ group called Call to Action. Here is a photo of Msgr. Michael Yarbrough:

    Msgr. Mike Yarbrough

    Well, we decided that we were going to bait Msgr. Michael Yarbrough. I visited him in a confessional booth where I told him my age and apparently it registered an interest and he asked me if I wanted to come and hang out with him. He fell for the bait. I found it very odd that a priest of his high position, with a very busy schedule, would all of a sudden want to spend time with me.

    I accepted his offer, and gave him a call, and asked him if we would meet at a book store. He said that he preferred that we meet in his office. I found this quite disturbing because it was in his office where he kissed Hector Escalante. When I did research on Msgr. Michael Yarbrough, I found a 2002 report written in the San Antonio Express which stated:

        Hector Escalante complained that Monsignor Michael Yarbrough kissed him on the lips and groped him in his office in 1998 when Escalante was 27, on his last day on the job as a St. Matthew’s Parish employee.

        Yarbrough admitted kissing him but said Escalante misunderstood the gesture, which the priest said was common among men in his family. He denied groping Escalante.

    Imagine, a man kissing another man on the lips as “common.”

    I told Msgr. Michael Yarbrough that it would be better that we meet in a book store, to which he agreed. I asked him how much time he had, and he said, as long as I wanted. After doing some more research, I also found out that on top of kissing a young man on the lips, Msgr. Michael Yarbrough is a also a major donor to a pro ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ group, called Call to Action, and I found his name on a list made by Call to Action designated as “major donors”. I took a snapshot of the list with Msgr. Michael Yarbrough’s name highlighted:

    yarbarough copy

    So, we had the meeting at the bookstore, and after some conversation, I busted him on his heresies and his scandals, and also paid a visit to his church where I was eventually kicked out by his followers (who probably know nothing on how evil this heretic is). Here is the video:

    For years we have seen how the Vatican covers up for sɛҳuąƖ predators and deviants, heretics and debased theologians. But we have never seen how the agents of the Vatican cover up for such evildoers in their private conversations. Well, Shoebat.com is now giving you this exclusive video showing you how the conniving is really done.

    I confronted Deacon Ron Walker, an official of the Vatican, asking why the Church has done nothing to punish Robert L. Kincl, a priest and canon law judge who was appointed by the Pope himself, who teaches that if two men masturbate each other they do not commit sin, and who himself defended confirmed child molester priest, Fr. Robert Hrdlicka. This is after Shoebat.com filed a complaint against Kincl after we caught him teaching us depravity.

    Deacon Ron Walker and the Bishop of Austin, Joe Vasquez, and Vicar General Daniel Garcia, did nothing to have Robert L. Kincl punished, even after they promised to take care of this evil. Shoebat.com realized that they were just patronizing video.

    Here is the video:

    Robert L. Kincl, who was appointed by the Pope, had befriended us as a fan of Shoebat.com acting as conservative, yet referred to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ fondling as permissible in the conversation. Having been shocked at his remarks, I told Kincl:

        How can you, as a priest, be so liberal toward such a sick evil as two men fondling each other, or as two men having a “relationship” just as long as they are not going with other men. It is evil and it is reprobate.

    I also told him:

        It is not tolerable for you, as both a priest and a canon law judge, to be permissive to somebody having a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relationship just as long as they are not being promiscuous with other men. It is deplorable, and in the words of St. Paul, “worthy of death” (Romans 1:32).

    Kincl defended his position and responded with a rejection of the Old Testament and a twisting of St. Paul’s condemnation of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in Romans, stating

        We do not follow the Hebrew Scriptures. We follow Jesus Christ who never mentioned gαy relationships. When St. Paul mentioned such a relationship he was referring to the promiscuousness of the Romans using sodomy.

    Shoebat.com decided to investigate Kincl and found that he has a dark past. In 1993, Kincl worked as a Commander in charge of clergy at the U.S. Navy, and while he was in the service he defended another chaplain confirmed to be guilty of child molestation, named Robert Hrdlicka.

    The investigation revealed that Robert L. Kincl had even written the authorities, not to charge the pedophile who molested the young boys, but urged them to send him back to serve as a chaplain:

        Catholic chaplain Lt. Robert Hrdlicka pleaded guilty to molesting boys in 1993. Before his sentencing, six other Catholic Navy chaplains and the church’s archbishop for the military services urged authorities to send Lt. Hrdlicka to a church-run treatment center.

        “It is my fervent hope and prayer that he will be able to return to the active ministry as soon as possible,” wrote then-Cmdr. Robert L. Kincl.

        Instead, Lt. Hrdlicka went to prison.

    Shoebat.com looked up Kincl’s My Life page, to find out that after all these years Kincl is still friends with Hrdlicka the pedophile, since he is on his friends list, of which I took snapshots:

    ted kincle photos 4-1 copy

    ted Robert Hridlicka copy 2

    Just as we have Muslims, like Bergdahl, who have infiltrated the military, we have people like Kincl who have infiltrated both the military and the Catholic Church, with their depravity.

    Kincl is now serving as a priest in Our Lady’s Maronite Catholic Church alongside Msgr. Don Sawyer. When I confronted Sawyer on Kincl, Sawyer vehemently defended Kincl.
    Robert L. Kincl, depraved priest who defended another child molesting priest

    Robert L. Kincl, depraved priest who defended a child molesting priest
    Don Sawyer, Msgr. at Our Lady's Maronite Catholic Church where Kincl serves

    Don Sawyer, Msgr. at Our Lady’s Maronite Catholic Church where Kincl serves

    Shoebat.com decided to contact the Diocese of Austin to file a complaint, and spoke with the Very Reverend Daniel E. Garcia as the Vicar General for the Diocese of Austin, and Chancellor and Secretariat Director for Administration, Deacon Ron Walker, who were under Bishop Joe S. Vásquez of the Diocese of Austin.

    We asked them how could someone who supports ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and defended a pedophile still be serving as a priest and not be excommunicated, to which Deacon Ron Walker, rolling his eyes, said that the Church’s main objective would be to reconcile him with God, and not excommunicate him.

    It seems that the Diocese of Austin could care less if one of its priests supports ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and defended a pedophile.
    Bishop Joe S. Vásquez

    Bishop Joe S. Vásquez
    Vicar General Danny Garcia of the Diocese of Austin

    Vicar General Danny Garcia of the Diocese of Austin

    ron-walker

    Why is this man serving as a priest when the Catholic Church, in its teachings, forbids ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity?

    It is not surprising to see how far reaching ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity has gone in the Vatican. What other deviancies will enter the Vatican in the next decade remains to be seen. Whatever happened to normal sin? In the good old days, steeling a chicken perhaps constituted such sin, but these days, its sleeping with it.

    Christianity is not about sycophancy, its about war against evil and the devil. We must arm ourselves to fight in this war.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 03:39:01 PM »
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  • video didn't show up, here is link
    http://shoebat.com/2015/02/18/pope-francis-holds-meeting-major-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ-group-never-condemns-vatican-harlots-yet/
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  • Shoebat's "crusade" against clerical sodomites is forever doomed to be an exercise in patching severed jugulars with Band-aids and treating brain tumors with aspirin so long as he remains a Zionist stooge who blindly supports the very ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan that flooded the Church (and society as a whole) with these perverts in the first place.

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  • Quote from: BTNYC
    Shoebat's "crusade" against clerical sodomites is forever doomed to be an exercise in patching severed jugulars with Band-aids and treating brain tumors with aspirin so long as he remains a Zionist stooge who blindly supports the very ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan that flooded the Church (and society as a whole) with these perverts in the first place.


    Can you fill me in on his background?
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  • Quote from: Walid "Theodore" Shoebat


    For people who doubt what I am saying about anti Semitism in the Middle East – People must view this video and understand that the dispute about Israel is not a war of land or geography but anti-semitism of the worst kind but it is now more dangerous than nαzι Germany because it has a religious twist.
     
    This video should shock you and the world to recognize the real problem.
     Click here to view the full broadcast.
     
     
     
    APRIL, 2005






    Walid creates controversy in Philadelphia


    The sponsors of the event in Philadelphia where I will speak placed a huge billboard on the main highway 1-95 about two miles from downtown Philly. The Arab apologists of terror are furious and are calling the usual "racist" slurs. Their protests will help us get more media attention and we shall win over people to the side of the truth. We will see how the people of Philadelphia will identify with Israel when I visit Philadelphia.
     
    Congratulations to the sponsors of the event and their courage to stand with me: to show the people of Philadelphia the truth about terrorism and the goodness of Israel and the Jєωιѕн people.
     
     
     
    Lovers of Justice and Truth
     
    I would like to add my voice to the disgust at the Hague decision on the security fence.
     
    When six million Jєωs who were murdered by the nαzιs, the world did nothing and only its own guilt was Israel founded as a haven and rightful home for the Jєωιѕн people.
     
    Europe and the rest of the tyrannical world have again sided with evil and have replaced the nαzιs with there support of the phony Palestinian cause. Israel’s right to self defense is denied not only by the Hague’s Court ruling, but by the UN. The World continues to criticize anything Israel does to defend its citizens, even in the face of over 20,000 attempted terror attacks in the last three years. In a short 60 years the world has returned to the dark age of anti Semitism.
     
    The world allows terror against Israel, even America plays a double standard when it comes to terror against Israel versus terror against the USA.
     
    Our President needs to make a public declaration stating America’s position clearly and unequivocally; he needs to state that not only does Israel have the right to self defense but America encourages and supports Israel in its fight against terror. The fence is the lesser of two evils and is a necessary measure considering that waging war in Arab villages and towns would lead to worse hardship but it is completely justifiable under International law if no fence were there. The world cannot have it both ways, either a security fence or all out defensive measures to defeat terror.
     
    If the Palestinian leadership continues to support terror they cannot expect Israel to talk peace or to be overly concerned with all the "civil rights" of Palestinians. When the Palestinian leadership finally and completely accept Israel’s existence and wish to set up a democratic state, based on equal rights for Jєωs, Christians, women, free press and all the values of a western civilized democracy, then and only then can peace be achieved.
     
    The so called "Israeli occupation" is currently the only real freedom any Arab has had in any part of the Middle East in the 56 years of Israel’s existence.
     
    - Walid Shoebat
     
     
    Leader of the Walid Shoebat Foundation, an organization that cries out for Justice for the State of Israel and the Jєωιѕн People.


    http://shoebat.com/shoebat-foundation/comments-from-walid-shoebat/


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    « Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 04:23:49 PM »
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  • Luke 15:1-2

    "Now the publicans and sinners drew near unto him to hear him.  And the Pharisees and the scribes murmured, saying: This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them."

    Did Pope Francis publicly endorse ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity?

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    « Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 04:30:13 PM »
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    Quote from: Walid "Theodore" Shoebat


    For people who doubt what I am saying about anti Semitism in the Middle East – People must view this video and understand that the dispute about Israel is not a war of land or geography but anti-semitism of the worst kind but it is now more dangerous than nαzι Germany because it has a religious twist.
    Walid creates controversy in Philadelphia

    The sponsors of the event in Philadelphia where I will speak placed a huge billboard on the main highway 1-95 about two miles from downtown Philly. The Arab apologists of terror are furious and are calling the usual "racist" slurs. Their protests will help us get more media attention and we shall win over people to the side of the truth. We will see how the people of Philadelphia will identify with Israel when I visit Philadelphia.
     
    Congratulations to the sponsors of the event and their courage to stand with me: to show the people of Philadelphia the truth about terrorism and the goodness of Israel and the Jєωιѕн people.
     
     
     
    Lovers of Justice and Truth
     
    I would like to add my voice to the disgust at the Hague decision on the security fence.
     
    When six million Jєωs who were murdered by the nαzιs, the world did nothing and only its own guilt was Israel founded as a haven and rightful home for the Jєωιѕн people.
     
    Europe and the rest of the tyrannical world have again sided with evil and have replaced the nαzιs with there support of the phony Palestinian cause. Israel’s right to self defense is denied not only by the Hague’s Court ruling, but by the UN. The World continues to criticize anything Israel does to defend its citizens, even in the face of over 20,000 attempted terror attacks in the last three years. In a short 60 years the world has returned to the dark age of anti Semitism.
     
    The world allows terror against Israel, even America plays a double standard when it comes to terror against Israel versus terror against the USA.
     
    Our President needs to make a public declaration stating America’s position clearly and unequivocally; he needs to state that not only does Israel have the right to self defense but America encourages and supports Israel in its fight against terror. The fence is the lesser of two evils and is a necessary measure considering that waging war in Arab villages and towns would lead to worse hardship but it is completely justifiable under International law if no fence were there. The world cannot have it both ways, either a security fence or all out defensive measures to defeat terror.
     
    If the Palestinian leadership continues to support terror they cannot expect Israel to talk peace or to be overly concerned with all the "civil rights" of Palestinians. When the Palestinian leadership finally and completely accept Israel’s existence and wish to set up a democratic state, based on equal rights for Jєωs, Christians, women, free press and all the values of a western civilized democracy, then and only then can peace be achieved.
     
    The so called "Israeli occupation" is currently the only real freedom any Arab has had in any part of the Middle East in the 56 years of Israel’s existence.
     
    - Walid Shoebat
     
     
    Leader of the Walid Shoebat Foundation, an organization that cries out for Justice for the State of Israel and the Jєωιѕн People.


    http://shoebat.com/shoebat-foundation/comments-from-walid-shoebat/


    Wallid and Theodore are two different people
    . Theodore is Wallid's son. I found this defense of the Catholic Church against protestant attacks.





    Vatican as the Harlot of Babylon: Debunked
    By Ted on June 25, 2013 in General

    By Theodore Shoebat

    Is the Vatican the Hatlot of Babylon? Where did this idea originate from? Most will be shocked to find that some of the greatest enemies of Christianity were the ones who developed or supported this idea: Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism; Muhammad, founder of Islam; John Huss, founder of the Hussites; and many of the most depraved heretics in Church history.

    So why do many Evangelicals believe them? The shocking truth from history should help us rethink one of the most tainted ideas in Protestant theology. Many Protestant and Evangelicals think that it was first said by the Protestant Reformers, such as Luther or Zwingli. But this is false. This idea actually can be traced all the way back to the Middle Ages, from a gnostic sect in southern France called the Albigensians. These held a doctrine first contrived by one heretic from the third century, named Mani. He lived in Mesopotamia and started a cult called Manichaeism, which held–amongst numerous beliefs–that they were two gods, one of evil and one of good; that Christ never came in the flesh and that the crucifixion was a fantasy.

    In other words, they were an antichrist, and so dangerous were they that St. John warned:

        And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (I John 4:3)

    They also believed that the Incarnation of Christ never occurred; the sufferings of Christ and the Eucharist were an illusion, and even life itself was considered by Mani to be an abomination from which all of humanity should seek to be free.

    This antihuman doctrine spread to Armenia where its subscribers called themselves Paulicians, and then this sect made its way to the Balkans where it influenced a man in Bulgaria named Bogomil, who would start his own cult in his country. Though Bogomilism went underground, it continued to grow like bacteria growing stronger in static murky water in the summer heat. It spread to Italy and by the twelfth century it made its way to France where its followers would call themselves Cathars, from the Greek word “pure.”

    In a council conducted in Toulouse in 1119, presided by pope Calixtus II, the Cathars were anathematized as heretics. By 1165 the Cathars had become so numerous that they began to preach in the open, with the Catholic bishops too fearful to protest. They soon commenced to form their own church separate from Roman Catholicism, establishing as their own bishop one Barthelemy in their city of Albi, where they built the Cathar community–the strongest in southern France. It was because of this community in Abli that these heretics were called Albigensians. (1)

    It was these Albigensians who affirmed the belief that the Roman Church was the Harlot of Babylon spoken of in the Book of Revelation. Because of this belief, the Albigensians sought out ways to utterly uproot Christianity from Europe. But for the sake of brevity I cannot describe all of their crimes, so I will mention one of the most significant. The head of this heretical group, Raymond of Toulouse, wanted the Muslims to destroy all of Christendom, and so sent his emissaries to the king of Morocco to give this request. (2)

    We have heard many a time that it was the Catholic Church who collaborated with Muhammad, but the reality is that it was the Catholics who combated Islam while the heretics worked with the Muslims.

    Who else taught that the Harlot of Babylon is the Catholic Church? There was another sect that came about in Bohemia in the 15th century called the Hussites, or followers of John Huss.
    John Huss

    John Huss

    The Hussites rejected the Catholic Church’s authority, denounced the use of holy water, oils, the chalice, priestly vestments, all fasts, all feast days accept Sunday, open confession, prayers to the saints, reverence of holy images and all other Catholic rituals. (3)

    These beliefs sound all well and good to the common Evangelical pastor, but lets look into their actions in order to see their intentions, for by their fruits you shall know them.

    When Pope John XXIII issued a Bull declaring Huss a heretic, his followers seized it and placed it on the breast of a local prostitute and paraded her to represent her as the “whore of Babylon”, before casting it into the flames. (4)

    A major faction within the Hussite heresy were the Taborites, who were founded when numerous Hussites ascended Mount Tabor to receive Communion. These shunned the Church Fathers, denied purgatory, prayers for the dead, and missals.

    The Hussites established their own hegemony in Bohemia, where they would greatly persecute Catholics for not accepting the teachings of John Hus, their founder. Hussite professors in the University of Prague established a tyrannical council which would rule Bohemia; thus the university became the new Vatican. Hussite Lord Chenek of Wartenberg arrested the bishop Hermann of Prague and compelled him to appoint radical Hussites as priests. The archbishop Conrad condemned these actions and nullified the ordinations of these heretical priests. The committee of tyrants of the university more fervently connected themselves with Hussite doctrine and even imprisoned one of its own professors, Peter of Unichov, a sharp critique of Hussite thought. They tortured him and threatened him with death if he did not proclaim John Hus as a teacher of God.

    The Hussites published their own manifesto in which it reads “that the faithful should repress all public sins.” It was a jurisprudence akin to Sharia, with anybody not agreeing with John Huss being deserving of punishment. A Taborite army under the command of John “the One Eyed,” captured the castle of Sedlec, killed its owner Ulrich and all of his retainers, and then cruelly told a group of six that if one of them wanted to be spared he had to decapitate the other five (and one of them did in fact comply).

    The One Eyed was ruthless and pitiless; he captured priests and monks and burnt them alive, for he saw them as the ones who persecuted John Hus. Divisions broke out within the Hussites and the One Eyed saw to it that dissenters were also put to the flames. When Sigimund’s commanders executed four hundred Hussite prisoners, the Hussites responded by massacring one thousand four hundred Catholics. Twenty four priests were kidnapped and told that their lives would be spared if they accepted the Hussite manifesto, and no less than twenty one refused and were bunt alive. (5) A bloody war was fought between Catholic and Hussite, with the Catholics being the victors in the end.

    Even the heathen Mongols wished to destroy Rome and all of Christendom. The emperor of the Mongols, Cuyuc Khan, had even wanted to war “against the Church of God and the Roman Empire, and against all the states of Christendom and the people of the west”. (6)

    Moreover, a most damaging fact to the belief that the Catholic Church is the Harlot of Babylon, is that Joseph Smith–the founder of Mormonism–himself adopted this view.
    Joseph Smith

    Joseph Smith

    The Book of Mormon directly attacks the Catholic Church, having the “prophet” Nephi declare that the Catholic Church was founded by Satan and was the mother of harlots:

        And the angel said unto me: Behold the formation of a church which is most abominable above all other churches, which slayeth the saints of God, yea, and tortureth them and bindeth them down, and yoketh them with a yoke of iron, and bringeth them down into captivity. And it came to pass that I beheld this great and abominable church; and I saw the devil that he was the founder of it. And I also saw gold, and silver, and silks, and scarlets, and fine-twined linen, and all manner of precious clothing; and I saw many harlots. …that abominable church, which is the mother of harlots (I Nephi 13: 5-7, 34) (7)

    Latter Day Saints president, George A. Smith, promulgated this belief in 1870:

        If you talk with the various Protestant denominations about these points they will tell you that the Catholic Church had degenerated, that it had gone into darkness, was anti-Christ, and all this sort of thing, which doubtless was correct; and according to modern revelation this must be true; and being true, we are urged to the conclusions that all the sects and parties of the religious world are wandering into darkness. (8)

    The Albigensians and the Hussites agreed that the Catholic Church was the whore of Babylon, and before you begin to have a liking for these groups because of this belief, there is another heretic that you should know about who also saw the Catholic Church as the archenemy: Muhammad himself.
    Muhammad

    Muhammad

    Muhammad even prophesied that the Muslims would first conquer Constantinople and then Rome. At the time of Muhammad, Christianity was Catholicism, since Islam was founded centuries before the Reformation or even before the Eastern Orthodox schism from the Roman Catholic Church. The Quran, essentially, is a direct attack against the Catholic Church. Surah V in the Quran actually misconstrues the Catholic doctrine of Mary and accuses Catholics of worshipping Mary, a claim which Evangelicals accept and Catholics deny:

        And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.

    This is why in 846 the Muslims made invaded Rome. It was in this glorious city where Saint Peter and Saint Paul preached, and it was now here where the Muslims sacked their sepulchers. They saw such profound monuments as idols, and when they entered the tomb of Peter they stripped away a silver altar, and overran Saint Peter’s church in the name of Allah and for their hatred of the Gospel. (9) They were not going to leave; they did not come for a vacation to Rome on cruise ships and decided to leave after a comfortable tour to the Vatican for Palermo–they were sticking around and a leader was needed to crush them. Pope Leo IV arose as the defender of the city.
    Pope Leo IV

    Pope Leo IV

    When he first became pontificate he consecrated entire days to prayer and religious processions to render hope unto the people and to kindle the fire of Christian zeal after it had been blown away by the Islamic barbarians. He had the city’s walls repaired; fifteen towers were built or renewed, and an iron chain was drawn across the Tiber river to hinder any enemy naval ships from sailing into Italy. Before the Muslims returned to Rome Leo made a powerful prayer, that the God who had protected Saint Peter and St. Paul on the confounding waves of the sea would fortify the hands of his warriors who were about to fight the enemies of Christ. The Muslims made their maddening prayer to Allah and advanced for a naval attack. Strong winds came upon the seas and merciless waves crashed right into their ships; Muslims were dashed to pieces on rocks and those who survived shipwreck received no quarter from the pursuing Italian Christians. The remaining survivors were forced to labor for the repairs of the churches they vandalized, and thirteen silver bows found amongst the Arabs were used to ornament the altar of Christ. (10)

    The Muslims till this day wish to destroy Rome, hence why in 2009 Yusuf Qaradaw–the most respected scholar in the Sunni Muslim world–stated:

        So Constantinople has been conquered and now the second part of the prophecy remains, which is the conquest of Rome.

    This hatred for Rome as an institution of the devil, was agreeable to the Protestant Reformers. The Muslims–under the Ottomans–still aspired to take Rome and destroy the Catholic Church in the days of Luther, and it was he and his followers who were willing to help.

    Luther and his followers saw the Catholic Church as an institution of Satan that needed to be destroyed.

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    “Why,” said Luther, “if men hang the thief upon the gallows; or if they put the rogue to death,–why should not we, with all our strength, attack these Popes, and Cardinals, these dregs of the Romish Sodom? Why not wash our hands in their blood?” (11)

    For this reason, Luther favored the Muslims and saw them as the tool of God to punish Europe for its sins, and hence the same reformer condemned crusading against Islam. John Foxe, a famous Protestant leader, claimed that he could not be certain as to whether the sultan of the Turks or the pope “hath been the more bloody and pernicious adversary to Christ.” (11.5)

    The Protestant bishop of Salisbury John Jєωel wrote this in 1571:

        The Turk, they say, is now hovering upon Italy. He will at least bridle the ferocity of antichrist [the pope]. (12)

    John Jєωel

    John Jєωel

    Zwingli, another major Protestant reformer, held the Turks as “Protestant allies.” (12.5)

    Ulrich Zwingli

    England and other Protestant powers even provided the Turks with war material, specifically tin which was essential for the Turkish cannons.

    In 1529, once Luther realized that his own life was on the line, since the Turks were approaching Vienna, he wrote that war needed to be done, but not by the Pope, (13) as though he was now to be dictating who should and who should not lead battles.

    It is stated repeatedly that Babylon is the mother of all idolatry. But my research shows that the mother-land of idolatry is not today’s Iraq, but Arabia, and that therefore Islam, with its Arabian origin, is the antichrist system.

    WHAT IS THEN THE ANTICHRIST SYSTEM?

    In order to understand the antichrist system, one must comprehend the Tower of Babel, its religious system and its origins.

    The Tower of Babel is known to have been built by Nimrod, (14) a son of Cush, the founder of Ethiopia.

    Many have hastily identified Nimrod with a Sudanese or Ethiopian African, but my research shows that once Scripture and historical records are closely examined, Nimrod is found to be geographically a Southern Arabian. The most explicit biblical evidence for Arabia’s identity with Cush is Habakkuk 3:7:

        I saw the tents of Cushan in affliction: and the curtains of the land of Midian did tremble.

    Cushan, or Ethiopia, is clearly identified here as Midian, or a part of Arabia. (15)

    Genesis 10:10 recounts that Nimrod founded a city in Mesopotamia called Akkad, which means that when Nimrod reigned in Mesopotamia there were Akkadians in existence in that region. In my whole research page I have shown how Akkadians, archeologically, have been found to be originally South Arabs, being related to the Sabaeans, a powerful South Arabian people.

    Also in Sudan there were Sabaeans who affirmed that their place of origin was a region called Meroe (originally called Saba), and according to the ancient writer Juba, the entire Nile Valley from the city of Aswan in Egypt to Meroe was inhabited not by Ethiopians but by Arabians. This then helps shed light on the Arabian identity with Nimrod.

    In my research I show that because of the south Arabian identity of both the Akkadians and Nimrod, it is conclusive that the pagan religion of ancient Arabia was followed in Shinar, where Nimrod’s kingdom was founded. Therefore the religion on which the Tower of Babel was based, had to have been Arabian. Who were then the deities of this religion?

    We know that in both the Akkadian pantheon and language there is reference to a deity named “Alla”. I was the first point out that in the Atrahasis epic, which was written in Akkadian, there is mention of the god Alla, and that this god had to be equal to the Islamic Allah.

    When the Akkadians traveled from south Arabia to Mesopotamia, they brought along with them their gods Athtar (Venus) and Shamash (the sun), both deities native to south Arabia. ‘Athtar is really a south Arabian equivalent to Allah, and the image of Allah–the Blackstone in Mecca–originally was dedicated to Allat or Athtar (Venus). Allat, in pagan religion, was both male and female, and thus equal to Allah.

    With all of this said, we can now bring the connection between Allah and the Tower of Babel. In my research I show that several assyriologists–such as Budge, G. Rawlinson, and Stephan Langdon–have written on a certain tower discovered in Iraq called the House of the Seven Lights of the Earth, which has been identified with the Tower of Babel since after Nebuchadnezzar repaired it he wrote:

        …[T]his edifice, the House of the Seven Lights of the Earth, the most ancient monument of Borsippa:–a former king built it (they reckon 42 ages), but he did not complete its head. Since a remote time people had abandoned it without order expressing their words. Since that time the earthquake and the thunder had dispersed its sun-dried clay; the bricks of the casing had been split; and the earth of the interior had been scattered in heaps. (16)

    The “Seven Lights” refer to the tower’s seven stages, each of which was dedicated to a particular planet or deity. For this summary article, we will only focus on the fifth stage which pertains to the subject at hand, because it was dedicated to Venus or Ishtar or ‘Athtar. (17) According to Strabo Borsippa was dedicated to Artemis, (18) which would have been this very goddess, who was worshipped as Allat since a Greek engraving from 6 B.C. reads “Allat who is Artemis”. (19) This has a direct connection with Allah since he was the same as Allat, thus bridging the gap between the Islamic Allah and the Tower of Babel.

    Thus when Isaiah speaks about the destruction of Babylon, he describes it geographically as Arabia, citing areas such as Seir, Teman, Dedanim, and Kedar:

        And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, [with] a couple of horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground. O my threshing, and the corn of my floor: that which I have heard of the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, have I declared unto you. The burden of Dumah. He calleth to me out of Seir, Watchman, what of the night? Watchman, what of the night? The watchman said, The morning cometh, and also the night: if ye will enquire, enquire ye: return, come.The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling companies of Dedanim. The inhabitants of the land of Tema brought water to him that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him that fled. For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword, and from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war. For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail: And the residue of the number of archers, the mighty men of the children of Kedar, shall be diminished: for the LORD God of Israel hath spoken [it]. (Isaiah 21:9-17)

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    REFERENCES

    (1) *Carroll, A History of Christendom, vol. iii, ch. v, pp. 164-165; Moczar, Seven Lies about Catholic History, ch. iv, p. 89-91*

    (2) *Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay, History of the Albigensian Crusade, 12, 394, trans. W.A. Sibly and M.D. Sibly*

    (3) *See Carroll, A History of Christendom, vol. iii, ch. xii*

    (4) *Garvie, The Christian Preacher, p. 120*

    (5) *See Carroll, A History of Christendom, vol. iii, ch. xii, pp. 508-511*

    (6) *Carpini, The Story of the Mongols Whom We Call The Tatars, ch. 8, p. 86, trans. Erik Hildinger*

    (7) *That this verse is directed against the Catholic Church, see Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, ch. iv, p. 60*

    (8) *Remarks by President George A. Smith, Reported by David W. Evans, Journal of Discourses, 13*

    (9) *See Gibbon, Decline and Fall, vol. v, ch. lii, p. 973*

    (10) Gibbon, Decline and Fall, vol. v, ch. lii, pp. 973-975*

    (11) *See the Rev. John Fletcher, notes to the fourth letter of Maistre on the Spanish Inquisition*

    (11.5) *See Jonathan hαɾɾιs, The Ottoman Threat, in Thomas F. Madden, The Crusades, ch. viii, p. 193*

    (12) *Bishop Jєωel to H. Bullinger, in Hastings Robinson, The Zurich Letters*

    (12.5) Scott H. Hendrix, Recultivating the Vineyard, p. 165, 2004

    (13) *See Jonathan hαɾɾιs, The Ottoman Threat, in Thomas F. Madden, The Crusades, ch. viii, p. 193*

    (14) *That Nimrod was the king in Shinar during the building of the Tower of Babel, see Faber, Pag. Idol., vol. i, b. i, ch. i, p. 75. “The ringleader in this rebellion was Nimrod: for the city,” writes Faber, “which engaged in building, was called Babel or Babylon; and the beginning of Nimrod’s kingdom is said to have been Babel and three subordinate towns: their city also was built in the land of Shinar; and Nimrod’s Babel is likewise said to have been situated in the land of Shinar. There can be no doubt, therefore, that Nimrod’s Babel was the identical Babel”.*

    (15) *See R. Jamieson’s commentary on Habakkuk 3:7*

    (16) *Quoted in Philip Smith, Ancie. Hist., ch. x, pp. 200-201. Brackets and ellipses mine.*

    (17) *See G. Rawlinson, The Religions of the Ancient World, ch. ii, p. 71.*

    (18) *Strabo, Geography, 16.1.7*

    (19) *See Javier Teixidor, The Pantheon of Palmyra, ch. iii, pp. 61-63.*
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    « Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 04:33:37 PM »
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    Luke 15:1-2

    "Now the publicans and sinners drew near unto him to hear him.  And the Pharisees and the scribes murmured, saying: This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them."

    Did Pope Francis publicly endorse ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity?


    Yes. He ordered that the Interim Relatio of the 2014 Sin-Odd Against the Family (which infamously suggests searching for a way to "value" the sodomites' "orientation") be included with all Sin-Odd materials and writings to be circulated to the world's churches, despite its having been voted against by the Sin-Odd participants.

    Instead of issuing an unambiguous condemnation of the sin of Sodom and a repudiation of any notion of "valuing" that intrinsic evil, he went out of his way to order that this infamous docuмent be circulated over and against the wishes of the Synod itself.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 04:39:00 PM »
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    Wallid and Theodore are two different people[/b]. Theodore is Wallid's son. I found this defense of the Catholic Church against protestant attacks.



    You are correct. I wrongly assumed that "Walid" was his birth name and that "Theodore" was his post-conversion baptismal name. I apologize for that.

    I do not apologize for calling him / them a "Zionist stooge," for that's exactly what they both are. Just peruse the website and that will soon become apparent.

    He condemned Protestantism? That's nice. As long as he shills on behalf of the infinitely worse ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, he's still treating brain tumors with aspirin and straining out gnats while swallowing camels.

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    ...but the thought of the officials at the Vatican welcoming in a group of people who argue and politically fight for the right to have their men have a*** s** with each other, and for their women to p******** each other or o***** p******* one another...sickens me.  







    You should also be sufficiently sickened that you don't indulge in such filthy gutter talk as this. Show some prudence. You're on a public forum and in mixed company.

    "Sodomy" is a sufficiently descriptive term. There's no need whatever to engage in such pornographically indiscreet language.

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    I would share some concern with your comment if it wasn't just another severe case of pharasaism, in which like so many on this site, you feign to be concerned against infractions of God's law, but are actually exalting yourself over others, through fault finding.

    And the answer is no, Pope Francis did not publicly endorse ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. The intention of the docuмent quoted is unclear and could be seen in a positive light;


    Matthew 9:11-13



    "And the Pharisees seeing it, said to his disciples: Why doth your master eat with publicans and sinners? But Jesus hearing it, said: They that are in health need not a physician, but they that are ill. Go then and learn what this meaneth, I will have mercy and not sacrifice. For I am not come to call the just, but sinners."



    Same old story with you and your like;

       

    Matthew 21:31


    "Which of the two did the father' s will? They say to him: The first. Jesus saith to them: Amen I say to you, that the publicans and the harlots shall go into the kingdom of God before you."


    and there a good number on this site, who are not presently going into the Kingdom of Heaven at all!


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    I would share some concern with your comment if it wasn't just another severe case of pharasaism, in which like so many on this site, you feign to be concerned against infractions of God's law, but are actually exalting yourself over others, through fault finding.

    And the answer is no, Pope Francis did not publicly endorse ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. The intention of the docuмent quoted is unclear and could be seen in a positive light;


    Matthew 9:11-13



    "And the Pharisees seeing it, said to his disciples: Why doth your master eat with publicans and sinners? But Jesus hearing it, said: They that are in health need not a physician, but they that are ill. Go then and learn what this meaneth, I will have mercy and not sacrifice. For I am not come to call the just, but sinners."



    Same old story with you and your like;

       

    Matthew 21:31


    "Which of the two did the father' s will? They say to him: The first. Jesus saith to them: Amen I say to you, that the publicans and the harlots shall go into the kingdom of God before you."


    and there a good number on this site, who are not presently going into the Kingdom of Heaven at all!



    Okay, so the intentions of the docuмent are unclear to you, but my own "pharisaical" intentions are perfectly knowable to you, O reader of hearts?

    Get lost. Take your sanctimonious false piety routine over to FE or CAF, where you might actually have some luck in peddling it.