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Highest gas prices since 1990
« on: February 23, 2011, 10:09:52 AM »
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  • Highest Gas Prices in February Since 1990
    February 23rd, 2011

    Via: ABC News:

    Weekly gas prices skyrocketed, according to the Department of Energy, driven by the popular revolts spreading across the Middle East.

    The U.S. weekly average price per gallon is $3.19, up 54 cents from a year ago, and slightly higher than last week’s $3.14. This was the highest price posted during the month of February since 1990, when the data became available. The most expensive regions again are New England at $3.23 and California at $3.56.

    Oil settled at $93.57 in New York trading, up 8.5 percent since Friday’s close, the biggest one day jump in nearly three years.
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    « Reply #1 on: February 23, 2011, 10:10:55 AM »
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  • In other words, those who think we're not at an all-time record for expensive gasoline, need to look at the calendar. It's only FEBRUARY.

    Gas always goes up during the summer months, due to reformulation of the gas itself, as well as higher demand.

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    Offline Kailyn

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    « Reply #2 on: February 23, 2011, 11:58:21 AM »
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    Gas always goes up during the summer months, due to reformulation of the gas itself, as well as higher demand.


    I'm pretty sure gas prices are increasing because of the unprecedented events in the Arab world.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 23, 2011, 12:05:59 PM »
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  • Oil/gas prices rise and fall because the Money Men want them to do so -- although they also create events in order to give some justification to the moves in price.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #4 on: February 23, 2011, 12:18:12 PM »
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  • Supply is decreasing.  Demand is increasing.  Prices go up.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 23, 2011, 12:35:38 PM »
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  • Who is decreasing the supply, or access thereto?  Who controls the price, and determines which money/currency is used to purchase oil?

    Do you even know what is meant by the Petro-Dollar?  Do you know, even in part, how easily the Money Men manipulate the price of oil?  If not, why not consider that there are those here who might be able to teach you something about this matter and how the world really works?  I am guessing that is not part of your usual perspective, as you are clearly intelligent, but I can assure you it is the case.
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    « Reply #6 on: February 23, 2011, 12:40:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Kailyn
    I'm pretty sure gas prices are increasing because of the unprecedented events in the Arab world.


    The events are hardly unprecedented and they are not an accident or a spontaneous occurrence.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 23, 2011, 12:50:08 PM »
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  • GV, first, apologies if I came off in a negative way.  I sprained my wrist trying to dramatically flip a 5 potato large hash brown last night, so I've been aiming for short posts.

    The supply is decreasing (in a far less important way than the demand is increasing, imo), because of the reduced production capacity in Libya.  The ports are shut down, oil companies are pulling out their people.  As Libya is only responsible for... I think 2% of global oil production, obviously I'm not claiming there's a shortage.  The reduction is not huge on a global scale (it's more important in Europe), but it in turn is increasing worries about more countries going (for example, Saudi Arabia), and adding a "fear-premium."  People worry that the price of oil is going to increase in the future (because of reduced production), so more people want oil right now, greater demand translates into a greater price.

    I'm aware that there is funny business that goes on with oil prices.  I'm probably less read up on it than you.  However, given the very real situation going on in the Arab world, the present case seems a very cut and dry example of economic principles that doesn't require any deus ex machina.  

    If you would like to explain my error, I'd be more than happy to be corrected.  Also, perhaps a fuller explanation of the "Money Men" to make sure we're on the same page.      


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    « Reply #8 on: February 23, 2011, 12:53:17 PM »
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  • The price of oil was already above-average high 1 month ago, in the middle of winter, when oil usually hits a low point.

    Now that we have chaos in the Middle East, it's going to get much worse.

    BTW, oil supply hasn't gone down one iota. It's purely "fear" which causes traders to drive up the price of oil on paper -- which results in the oil companies making more obscene profits, nothing more.

    Traders should be required to take possession of the oil, otherwise they shouldn't be permitted to speculate on the price of oil. It allows them to make money for nothing, while average citizens pay for their profit in the form of gasoline prices.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 23, 2011, 12:53:21 PM »
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    The events are hardly unprecedented and they are not an accident or a spontaneous occurrence.


    Hmmm, unprecedented taken over the entire course of history, no, for sure.  Poor choice of words.  Unique in our own times perhaps.  Certainly, important events that will be recorded in history.

    As to your later two assertions, while I agree, I suspect I do so for very different reasons.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 23, 2011, 12:56:22 PM »
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  • Matthew, up to 25% of Libyan output has been shut down, amounting to some number between  300,000 and 400,000 barrels per day.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 23, 2011, 02:05:37 PM »
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  • Sorry to post so hastily, but I have to go to some appointments...

    Kailyn,

    I hope your wrist heals swiftly and that the delight of the food was worth the sacrifice.  

    I am unclear about which "two points" you mean, so I would be grateful if you could give me the specifics.  That way, I can address the issue in a sensible manner that is actually ad rem.  I THINK I know, but I would prefer to be certain before responding.  THank you...

    As for the rest, no worries...we are all here to learn from each other...and all misunderstandings (which are common when dealing with this medium) should not be taken too seriously...My apologies if I was too firm, arrogant, what have you...Godspeed :)
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    « Reply #12 on: February 23, 2011, 02:07:10 PM »
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  • Gladius is right.  It's all about the money men.

    What's happening in Libya is totally irrelevant, in my striving-for-humble opinion.  Some riot on the street means nothing.  Let's say there's a junta and someone kills Khaddafi and takes over the reins of state.  Right away, the oil companies will come in and make a deal with this replacement, who won't say no to a cascade of petro-dollars, trust me.  There may be turmoil for Joe and Jane Q. Libya, but not for the movers-and-shakers, as far as oil goes.  Not yet anyway.  

    The prices are fixed.  What has changed since 2008 or so, I'd say, is that the money men are not just in "profit mode," they are also in sheer survival mode.  

    This is why I always say there won't be hyperinflation, like some pundits are predicting.  These are usually the same pundits who say "We need to stop with the printing presses, stop with the Keynesian economics, and let the market correct itself."  That would have been a good idea back in 1920, if someone had stopped the Fed then, but now it is FAR too late.  Letting the market correct itself would dump roughly 90% of the populace out on the street, and if you think they're going to take that lying down... No, it would be chaos to do that.

    Believe it or not, Obama and Co. are doing things exactly right when it comes to the economy.  No one, at least, can do any better ( and I am not the first to point out how both Bush and Obama are profligate spenders ).  They are doing the minimum of what it takes to hold this crumbling society together for a little while longer.  Where Obama is a bane to Catholics is on gαy marriage, abortion, social issues like that, but economically, he's just following the money, like everyone else.  And at this point following the money means doing whatever it takes to squeeze just a little more milk out of the Keynesian cash-cow, which mostly involves playing a game with the Chinese.

    My prediction:  There will be incremental inflation in gas and food, and an incremental deflation in house prices, until it's lights out for the entire country i.e. "in one hour your doom has come."  That is because the goal is not to fix the country -- it's too late -- but to eke out its existence a little longer.

    Minor inflation and minor deflation sends the message that we are "getting serious" to the Chinese, that we're tightening our belts, to keep them from panicking and no longer buying our debts.  That's all it is -- a formality.   But this stagflation can't be pushed too far, either, because that would cause chaos prematurely.  

    That is why you have unrealistic prices on houses, prices that most people can't afford.  Simply put, it's like a game of musical chairs, the filthy rich will move to the few good areas that are left, and everything else will decay.  Then the decay, when it gets too violent, will finally eat into the few good areas.  Then it will be over.  But these people that are waiting to buy homes in Beverly Hills for cheap, thinking the market will correct -- it will never happen the way that they think, with home prices becoming reasonable and those who are underwater on their loans being replaced by the prudent...  The market will correct, all right, and that is called the Minor Chastisement... But buying a home will be the last thing on anyone's mind then!  Unfortunately, being prudent doesn't mean much when 99.9% of people around you haven't been.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 23, 2011, 02:11:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: Kailyn
    Matthew, up to 25% of Libyan output has been shut down, amounting to some number between  300,000 and 400,000 barrels per day.


    Out of 85 million barrels a day. About a 1/2 of 1 percent.

    Oil has jumped about $14 a barrel in the last 3 days, to $100. That's a 16% increase over the previous $86 price.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 23, 2011, 02:20:49 PM »
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  • A drop in oil production is nothing new. Petro companies have cut back on pumping oil many times in the past to create a false sense of a shortage and try and justify a price increase. This is something that they do without the presence of a crisis. The "fear factor" is just a bonus for them.
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