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  • Pope Says Church Should Stop Obsessing Over gαys, Abortion
    By Alessandra Migliaccio - Sep 19, 2013 6:01 PM CT

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-19/pope-says-church-should-stop-obsessing-over-gαys-abortion.html

    Pope Francis said the Catholic Church shouldn’t be “obsessed” with preaching about abortion, gαy marriage and contraception and should instead try to reach out to a broader congregation.

    “It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,” Francis told the Catholic publication, La Civilta Cattolica. “We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the Church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.”

    Francis, the first non-European pope in more than 1,200 years, distinguished himself from the start of his papacy by speaking out in favor of the world’s poor. In the first six months of his papacy he’s also made overtures to other faiths and attempted to root out corruption in the Vatican Bank.

    His tone marks a contrast with that of his predecessor, Benedict XVI, who struck a more conservative tone on sɛҳuąƖity and was criticized for not doing enough to root out sɛҳuąƖ abuse in the clergy.

    The Church should be “the home of all,” Francis said in the 12,000-word interview conducted in August at his quarters in the Vatican guest house, which he chose over the rich papal apartments of his predecessors.

    The interview covers topics ranging from his political sympathies to his desire for more consultative leadership. He also discusses his human side, saying he loves the Federico Fellini film, “La Strada.”
    Disdain

    Francis, 76, professed disdain for clergy who make the Church into “a nest protecting our mediocrity.” He added that when he sees religious leaders’ negative behavior, “the first thing that comes to mind is: ‘Here’s an unfruitful bachelor,’ or ‘Here’s a spinster.’ They are neither fathers nor mothers, in the sense that they have not been able to give spiritual life.”

    Elected in March after Benedict became the first pontiff to abdicate in 600 years, Francis has worked to portray himself as a man of the people, shirking the traditional robes, Jєωelry and even papal apartment for more spartan trappings.

    Francis also named a commission to oversee the Vatican Bank’s operations after Moneyval, the Council of Europe’s monitoring body for money laundering and terrorism financing, called for its independent supervision. The director and deputy director of the bank resigned July 1 amid a corruption investigation, three days after a senior Vatican cleric was arrested for alleged fraud. Francis also appointed an advisory council of eight cardinals to propose changes to the church.

    To contact the reporter on this story: Alessandra Migliaccio in Rome at amigliaccio@bloomberg.net

    To contact the editor responsible for this story: Will Kennedy at wkennedy3@bloomberg.net
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2013, 07:01:55 PM »
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  • Oh, by the way, he're's what he said about us.

    - On traditionalist Catholics: "Those who today always look for disciplinarian solutions, those who long for an exaggerated doctrinal ‘security,' those who stubbornly try to recover a past that no longer exists-they have a static and inward-directed view of things. In this way, faith becomes an ideology among other ideologies."

     :stare:

    Wow...
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #2 on: September 19, 2013, 07:07:30 PM »
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  • Someone needs to tell our liberal Khazar pope that the Church's business is saving souls.  

    His job description is to defend, teach and sanctify the Catholic Faith.

    Why is it that the pope's rabbi handlers refuse to get it this ?   :thinking:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #3 on: September 19, 2013, 07:14:17 PM »
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  • Wow.  Totally screwed up.
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    « Reply #4 on: September 19, 2013, 07:26:29 PM »
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  • Another example of how, the Church keeps falling into "sentimental theology". Instead of focusing in the salvation of souls through the conversion of heretics, pagans, Jєωs, freemasons, etc, the Church wants to play "nice", be pleasant to everyone, and focus on mercy and "social justice". Big fail, Pope Francis.

    Here a nice article on the subject:

    catholicism.org/sentimental-theology.html
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 19, 2013, 08:32:22 PM »
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  • I'm not a dogmatic sedevacantist but I think Bergoglio is making a good case.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2013, 08:41:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mabel
    I'm not a dogmatic sedevacantist but I think Bergoglio is making a good case.


    The only way I can see that maybe Pope Francis is right saying that the Church is too focused on the sins of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and abortion is if he wanted to focus on fighting heresy and sin instead.

    Sadly, I don't think this is the case. He said we need to "reach out to a broader congregation". I don't think he meant we need to convert people to the One, Holy, Catholic Faith but, to be tolerant of sin and error and build a "come as you are" church.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 19, 2013, 08:43:32 PM »
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  •  :facepalm:

    It's just so...amazing.  The pope is so out.  Of.  Touch.  At least on matters of Catholic life at the layman's level.  

    I lean more towards Ann Barnhardt's prognosis: that Pope Francis is vain, and God gave him to us as a punishment.  

    I look forward to her thoughts on this matter over at barnhardt.biz, once she's had time to digest this...this...insanity.  

    I mean, could I be wrong?  Could I be wrong to be so outraged?  I suppose--I mean, no one knows the mind of God.  Yet...yet...God is consistent, right?  The Almighty won't just change His mind on what's important.  He never has.  Right?

     :facepalm:



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    Honestly, it's this sort of inane gibberish that helps lead souls like Greg's from the Church.  Thanks, Pope Francis.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 19, 2013, 11:02:02 PM »
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    I'm not a dogmatic sedevacantist but I think Bergoglio is making a good case.



    Mabel,

    Do you have any beers in the fridge ?

    I'm needing one right now.
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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #9 on: September 19, 2013, 11:08:22 PM »
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  • Michael Hoffman's view on this:

    revisionistreview.blogspot.in/2013/09/pope-francis-reveals-his-true-face.html

    Thursday, September 19, 2013


    Pope Francis reveals his true face






    By Michael Hoffman

    www.revisionisthistory.org


    In an interview filled with what we can only term theological
    gobbledegook with nary a reference to the Bible, but loads
    of mystical vertiginous malarkey, the pope of Rome, Francis the talking
    mule, Baalam’s ass, has come out with unprecedented cold-hearted malice
    toward defenseless, unborn children.


    Let us anticipate the response of his mind-bombed defenders and rejoin in advance: no,
    the pope was not quoted out of context, or misquoted. We’re going to
    give you his quote in context; and it is said he was handed a copy of
    his interview and allowed to check and edit it before its publication in the Jesuit magazine, America.


    Here are the pontiff’s docuмented words, in context. First on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity:
    “We need to proclaim the Gospel on every street corner,” the pope
    says, “preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing, even with our
    preaching, every kind of disease and wound. In Buenos Aires I used to
    receive letters from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ persons who are ‘socially wounded’
    because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned
    them. But the church does not want to do this. During the return flight
    from Rio de Janeiro I said that if a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ person is of good will
    and is in search of God, I am no one to judge. By saying this, I said
    what the catechism says. Religion has the right to express its opinion
    in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is
    not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.  



    “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of
    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks
    at a gαy person, does he endorse the existence of this person with
    love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the
    person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being. In life, God
    accompanies persons, and we must accompany them, starting from their
    situation. It is necessary to accompany them with mercy. When that
    happens, the Holy Spirit inspires the priest to say the right thing.” (End quote).



    Where in the catechism does it say the pontiff has no right to judge a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?

    What is this pope babbling about when he says, “...it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person”?

    Furthermore, what is “gαy” about sodomy? If God, as the pope claims,
    “endorses the existence” of a person who practices sodomy, how could God
    ever send that person to hell?

    Nowhere does the pope mention a little something known as sin. He offers
    no reasons for the sodomite to stop sodomizing. After all, God Himself
    “endorses the existence” of the sodomite. So why not continue in one’s
    sins? What is the impetus for change?

    The pontiff’s docuмented words, in context, on abortion and contraception:

    "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gαy marriage
    and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not
    spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when
    we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context.
    The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of
    the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the
    time...The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the
    transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed
    insistently...We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral
    edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing
    the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.”  (End quote).

    Perhaps someone should tell the pope it is not necessary for the
    post-Vatican II Church to insist only on issues related to the nαzι
    “h0Ɩ0cαųst," anti-semitism and the defense of тαℓмυdic Judaism as
    possessing an unbroken covenant with God. "We have to find a new
    balance." Does the pope agree? Would he be caught dead saying that the
    pastoral ministry cannot be “obsessed” with the nαzι “h0Ɩ0cαųst”?

    I don’t believe, short of a divine miracle, Francis would ever make such
    a statement, for unlike the dehumanized and marginalized unborn
    children awaiting the executioner’s invasion of their mother’s womb, the
    nαzι “h0Ɩ0cαųst” lobby has enormous power on earth. Unborn babies have
    no such earthly power.

    Let us also not forget that this coffin rider who calls himself pope is
    declaring that too much has been said against birth control
    (contraception). The people who brought the Gospel to the world, who
    inhabit the nations of Britain, Ireland, Europe, Canada, Australia and
    the United States, are self-extinguishing due to contraception being
    winked at by their religious leaders — and now it is minimized by the
    pope himself. This is incredible. It is totally revolutionary. Even the
    pope of Vatican II, Paul VI, devoted himself to composing the encyclical
    Humane Vitae,
    closing the door forever on artificial contraception. But Francis
    declares, "We have to find a new balance.” Between what, life and death?
    (Rev. 3:15)



    According to fake prophecies cooked up during the Renaissance and
    attributed to the medieval St. Malachy, the current Pope Francis is the
    last pontiff, dubbed, in that phony prophecy, “Peter Romanus.”

    We propose a new name for him, Diabolus Romanus.




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    « Reply #10 on: September 19, 2013, 11:08:35 PM »
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    I'm not a dogmatic sedevacantist but I think Bergoglio is making a good case.



    Mabel,

    Do you have any beers in the fridge ?

    I'm needing one right now.
      :facepalm:


    Wine, booze, beer, and hard cider.

    Take your pick. I've been doing Latin translation with my son today and I've earned *something* not to mention having to live on this planet with Bergo.

    (Btw, I meant that he is seems to be trying to convince the world of the sede position, not dogmatic sv-ism if it sounded that way)


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    « Reply #11 on: September 19, 2013, 11:27:02 PM »
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  • Frank's Friends (probably an actual group) on FB are swearing up and down on souls that Frank was taken out of context yet again. If so, it would seem that Frank should change his bishop of rome motto to "I Didn't Say That."

    I actually didn't mind him saying the Church shouldn't be ONLY about abortion or Sodomite couplings (though he really ought not bless Sodomite 'marriage'). But for real, I keep getting Fr. Pavalone (? some cheese-sounding name) no priest telling me to go march here or there again, and as sincere and passionate as he sounds, I wonder if he doesn't place just a little too much emphasis on abortion. Yes, mention it absolutely, but toss in a few other topics occasionally, as well.

    OTOH, I watched the 6pm news and Friendly Frank was a headline. I got an eerie sensation when he said something about toppling the house of cards. He's not even PLAYING that he believes the gates of Hell will not prevail; he's suggesting a puff of wind could prevail against the Church.

    But Deo Gratias! He's not hiding his true colors!  :jester:
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    « Reply #12 on: September 19, 2013, 11:33:33 PM »
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  • "Chaos Frank" is just like 99% of the Novus Ordo "hierarchy", i don't see what people here are so surprised of.

    There are even worse people than him out there - a striking statement in itself.

    There is the mexican "bishop" saying that condemning sodomy is a "mental disease" and that we have to go back and read all those ugly Bible passages carefully and in context.

    I bet he's even worse than Franky.

    What happened right now is just as if they had randomly picked any novus ordo "priest" from Latin America and put him as Pope, they are all like him and worse - wait - what? Oh yeah, that's exactly what happened.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 19, 2013, 11:48:18 PM »
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  • "The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently..."

    Would this "disjointed multitude of doctrines" perhaps be those pesky concepts known as Church Magisterium & Tradition?

    I have a feeling this clown is about to take some steps that's going to clarify the crisis.  He's about to exponentially multiply modernism & liberalism in the NO.  What do we think his committee of 8 "cardinals" is going to report?  Anybody think anything good is going to come from that?

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    « Reply #14 on: September 20, 2013, 12:14:24 AM »
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  • Quote from: Francisco
    Michael Hoffman's view on this:

    revisionistreview.blogspot.in/2013/09/pope-francis-reveals-his-true-face.html

    Thursday, September 19, 2013


    Pope Francis reveals his true face






    By Michael Hoffman

    www.revisionisthistory.org


    In an interview filled with what we can only term theological
    gobbledegook with nary a reference to the Bible, but loads
    of mystical ...


    Thank you, Francisco, for this article.  

    I'm still amazed.   :shocked:     Utterly amazed at the nerve of this guy.  It's as if he's brushing aside all of those deaths from abortion and laughing about how people obsess about dead babies too much.  


    And is it just me?  Or does the article in the Jesuit magazine "America" not capitalize the word "Church?"

    I guess the Catholic Church instituted by God in human form isn't anymore special than Pentecostals.

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