Author Topic: Heretics? (Read 3781 times)

Cato · « **on:** June 20, 2014, 06:32:52 PM »

Are all Protestants heretics? Is a person a heretic if they never professed the Catholic faith? Would N.O. Catholics be heretics too since they practice communion in the hand et al? My question is is a person a heretic even if they don't know they are a heretic?

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2014, 06:43:45 PM »

It's important to distinguish between various types of heresy, because the "type" of heresy determines the punishment of the heretic, his guilt before God and his relationship to the Church. All formal heresy, which is when a person knows that the Catholic Church teaches X and the person chooses to deny or doubt X, is a mortal sin. If such heresy is public, then in addition to the mortal sin one is no longer a member of the Church. Material heretics dissent from what the Church teaches, but they are unaware that they're supposed to believe what the Church teaches-- such a heretic is not guilty of heresy before God, however if he is a public heretic, he is not a member of the Church.

Private heresy does not sever one's membership in the Church.

Cantarella · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2014, 10:56:03 PM »

Protestants are considered heretics. A heretic is not merely one who rejects anything related to the Catholic faith but one who "pertinaciously denies or doubts a truth of divine and Catholic faith" (Canon 1325 - 2). Protestants openly deny many Catholic dogmas such as The Immaculate Conception of Our Lady. Also nominal (cafeteria) Catholics who say "I will believe this and not that", picking and choosing from the Catholic Faith according to their whim, are considered heretics. In formal terms, a Catholic who denies the supremacy of the Pope becomes a schismatic (such as the Eastern Orthodox), whereas a Catholic who renounces his religion is considered an apostate.

poche · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2014, 11:00:55 PM »

Quote from: Cato

Are all Protestants heretics? Is a person a heretic if they never professed the Catholic faith? Would N.O. Catholics be heretics too since they practice communion in the hand et al? My question is is a person a heretic even if they don't know they are a heretic?

Protestants are heretics as the Priotestant religoins deny various truths of the Catholic Faith.
The issues of communion in the hand et al are disciplines. They do not touch on matters of faith and morals. If someone who recieved communioni in the hand were to deny that Jesus were truly present in the Blessed Sacrament then he would be a heretic.
It is possible to be a heretic without realizing it.

SerpKerp · « **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2014, 11:53:56 PM »

I personally believe that most the Conservative Novus Ordo/Indult are not Heretics, and adhere to the True Faith if they are not Falsifying data in order to back up their positions on Vatican II.

Most Post Vatican II "catholics" are now what the mainstream calls cafeteria catholics, and they are most certainly Heretics.

The Eastern Churches do adhere to some Heresies, but most of these Heresies have occurred after Papal and Council declarations of which they were not a party of due to the fact of Schism. For this reason many Traditional Catholics prefer to call them Schismatics, rather than Heretics.

Protestants are certainly Heretics as they Objectively deny Multiple Dogmas very explicitly, most notably in the Eschatology of the (Invisible) Church of Christ as apposed to the Visible Catholic Church (which is the True Church of Christ).

Ultimately Vatican II accepted this Hersey in the docuмent Lumen Gentium, which means that the Novus Ordo is Ultimately a member of the Protestant Hersey.