It is unrealistic to expect a Modernist and heretic to stop Modernism and heresy, my good woman.  I'm not sure why this is so hard for so many to understand.  Benedict has been suspected of Modernism since the 50's and everything he has done since has proven that's exactly what he is.  He has gone into a mosque, taken off his shoes, faced Mecca and prayed.  Do you understand that this took him automatically out of the Church, if he wasn't already?  

I don't want to insult you, but it is simply absurd to expect anything from him.  True, we can't read hearts and he might change, bla bla.  But that would be like going into Jeffrey Dahmer's apartment and saying "He might change, he might not eat me."  It's true, but it's still not the best idea to go in.

Besides, as Catholics we aren't called upon to wait for heretics to change.  We aren't battered wives dependent on an abusive husband.  A heretic is out of the Church.  That's where Ratzinger is -- out of the Church.  It is not our job to wait eight hundred years for him to get a clue, it is our job simply to announce that he is a heretic.  Then we take whatever steps are necessary.  

The step that the sedes think is necessary is to simply recognize that he is not Pope and break off all contact with him, in accordance with the papal bull cuм Ex Apostolatus.  

Therefore, the schism you're talking isn't what should be feared.  It is what should have happened long ago.  What you're talking about, though, would not be a "schism," since what sits in Rome is no longer the true Church.    

In truth, we're already in schism, and the schismatics are JPII, Benedict, Paul VI, and everyone working with them, although many don't know that they're in schism and so they can't really be called schismatics... If that makes any sense.  

The worst already came to pass -- the Vatican was taken over and a billion Catholics or so are exposed to heresy and Modernism, endangering their eternal souls.  Not only that, but most Novus Ordo masses are probably invalid and they aren't getting any grace, and many are falling away from Catholicism entirely.

What SHOULD have happened is that people should have revolted against this false church, this imitation of the Church.  But due to fear and lukewarmness this didn't happen.  Now only God can set things right, and unfortunately this will probably mean the Chastisement, as you can see around you it's coming.

The worst already came to pass -- the Vatican was taken over and a billion Catholics or so are exposed to heresy and Modernism, endangering their eternal souls.  Not only that, but most Novus Ordo masses are probably invalid and they aren't getting any grace, and many are falling away from Catholicism entirely.

Well I´ve bad news Raoul... the worst is about to come!

Needless to say I agree with your post!

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I know some skeletal facts.There is a very good website called Realcatholictv.com

I have learned a lot from this site since returning to Catholicism

There was an Italian Arch Bishop  Bugninni. He either was or rumored to be a Freemason.  (Even as a conservative Protestant I learned they are BAD NEWS!) He developed the NO Mass under the nose of  Pope John. His cronies at the Vatican were as dirty as he was.

Shortly before Pope John died he canned Bugninni. He also fired him from his job as a Professor at a university at the Vatican.

When weeny whiney maleable Pope Paul came in he hired this rat back.

He and his buddies not only developed the NO Mass they over saw the the implementation of it.

He 1st said the NO Mass in the early 60's in the Sistine CHapel for a large group of Bishops. More than half were so appalled they walked out and begged the Pope to stop it. He did not.  Basically this Bugninni was the key saboteur of the ROman Catholic Church. Yet  no one stopped him or denounced him.

t hte time many prominent Cahtolics and scholars begged       Pope Paul to not impliment it. They were ignored. Evidently Pope Wilbur Milquetoast was so impressed that Agatha Christie was on the list of those pleading for abolishing the thought of a NO Mass that he he did not eradicate the Tridentine Mass all together. OK.  
Also there was a prominent Catholic Scholar( His name escapes my menopausal brain right now  Hildebrand???)  at the time and many Bishops who fought against it.  
Paul threw them a bone by not outlawing the Latin Mass.

This Bugninni was such an egomaniac he went to his death bed thinking he was some big hero of the faith.  Well sir I bet it is warm where you are.

Big Deal on not outlawing the Tridentine Mass as it basically went by the way side   andthe NO Mass has desimated the Roman Catholic  church on mulitple levels.  

Benedict is supposedly working on bringing back the Tridentine Mass, yet not completely erradicating the NO Mass.
It is being called Reforming the Reform.  

There is a growing group of dissention and anger and demand for reform in Rome.

My question is this. Obviously I do not knwo all the details.  I only knw a scant amount. However, it is enough that I wonder why the Pope does not stand up and say ENOUGH!  We made a grave error.  We must repair it asap and those who disagree will be in our prayers. Don't t le the door hit you on your way out and BTW next Sunday those who show up  come prepared by dressing appropriately and women wear a head covering an modest dress and men in a shirt and tie and start brushing up your Latin!

I am so sick of Priests, Bishops Protestant Ministers etc that are so worried they will offend the people that they will not speak the truth.  

I have more to research. Morre questions to ask.  My biggest one is for those inside the Church that are fighting the NO. What hope do they have?  What are we waiting for?

I see a much bigger schism coming than we have ever seen before.  

I have been watching you go through this process since you first started posting here.  I will say that I went through some of the same thoughts as you.  I am a convert to the NO.  I stayed, in and out of there, for 15 years.

I didn't become truly bothered by anything until the abuses were obvious.  I had spent much of my years in very traditional minded parishes.  But when we moved north, the differences were STARK.  For 5 years, I sat and cried.  I became a "silent" activist--finding articles on the internet, printing copies, highlighting abuses, and mailing them to the priests in the diocese.  I even became a Michael Voris fan.  (not so much anymore, but he did help me see things a bit more clearly) I gradually "became" traditional in my understanding, thinking, and actions.  And we were alone.  And we were ridiculed.  And we were told by our "orthodox" friends to "get involved", "pray harder", "focus on yourself."  For awhile there, I thought I was attending AA meetings.

Once we decided we just couldn't take it anymore, we started looking for a TLM.  We didn't know what else to do.  There weren't any, anywhere near us that we immediately knew about.  We drove 2 hrs one way to the only FSSP in our diocese.  (At the time, we didn't won't to be "disobedient.")  Those people were wrapped so tight it was sickening,  no one smiled, everyone wore black.  It was depressing.  But we went a few times until the expense was more than we could afford.

Eventually, after reading too many things from too many places, we didn't know what to do.  We didn't want to be "disobedient" so we just fell into mortal sin and stayed home for a month.

I called a SSPV chapel but the chapel was also 2 hours away and the priest had no regular schedule.  We were never able to make it there.  We tried a TLM approved by another diocese in another state near us, but they kept moving the site of the Mass and the time so we never knew where Mass was going to be or when.  Finally after many months, more reading, and a lot of prayer, we decided to check out the SSPX chapel that is an hour away from us.  

At first, we weren't sure we had made the right decision.  One of the priests was wacky, but the people didn't seem to be wrapped really tightly.  In fact, our impression really became that surely this must have been what Catholics were really like a generation ago--they were friendly, faith-filled, opinionated, humorous, warm, serious, hard-working, and sincere.  After a year, we have come to know most everyone.  There are a few who are sede and some who lean sede.  I don't think people really care all that much, really, because most are just there for the Sacraments.

Honestly, it's a lonely life.  We have lost ALL our NO friends.  Since most people drive long distances to come to Mass, it is really hard to have much of a social life with the people we share our faith with.  There are a few families with children and we have all planned to get together with our kids, etc, but that is hard too since we live so far apart.

I'm just sharing these things with you because you should know that once your eyes have been opened to the fact that the crisis is real, you won't be the same.  You will come to recognize that there are TWO churches---and that cannot be.  You will have to ask yourself if you are going to remain in the NO church or if you will leave.  It is serious.  Really.  And the decision is not easy.

The ultimate realization for us was this:  We looked around at all the people we knew.  We knew what they believed, what they were teaching us at Mass, what they were teaching our children.  We asked ourselves if this is what Catholicism is.  Is this what it is to be a Catholic?  IF it was, we did not want to be a part of it.  IF not, then we needed to figure out what "being a Catholic" was and find that place.  Eventually it led us to SSPX.

Now I know that many people will argue against SSPX.  I get that.  SSPX is not perfect.  But it was the boat we jumped into off the sinking ship.

I hope this helps you and I hope your search for the Truth is fruitful.  Just be aware, it is not easy.  People WILL abandon you.  They WILL NOT understand.  

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Whats more is that the good Archbishop was theologically trained and unlike many current sedevacantist groups and leaders he has a solid background and training.  This isn't to say I'm not sedevacantist, but I'll take Msgr. Lefebvre's word over any CMRI / SSPV/ others.

Makes you wonder what his views would be today, since a lot has happened since his death.  

I'll take the word of a traditional Bishop living TODAY!  My CMRI Bishop!

Also, the assertion that there were no theologically trained clerici who held the SV position is not true. Mgr. Guérard des Lauriers, for example, was even an advisor to the Holy Father in declaring the dogma of the Assumption. He also served at the Pontifical Lateran University in Rome. I do not find that very 'untrained'.

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Mgr. Guérard des Lauriers, for example, was even an advisor to the Holy Father in declaring the dogma of the Assumption. He also served at the Pontifical Lateran University in Rome. I do not find that very 'untrained'.

He was among the most genuinely erudite men alive during the years following V2, and probably the most learned man to have ever been a part of the V2 resistance.

Agreed. He even served as Father Confessor to His Holiness Pius XII.

Also, the assertion that there were no theologically trained clerici who held the SV position is not true. Mgr. Guérard des Lauriers, for example, was even an advisor to the Holy Father in declaring the dogma of the Assumption. He also served at the Pontifical Lateran University in Rome. I do not find that very 'untrained'.

Yes, Bishop Guerard des Laurieas, O.P. was a former SSPX seminary professor, former Vatican Theologian, and personal confessor to Pope Pius XII.

And I never asserted that there were no theologically trained persons with the SV position.

Now HE (Bishop des Laurieas) is someone whose advice I would take due to his extensive background. Not just any priest (with respect to all Reverends). This is the point I'm making.

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Makes you wonder what his views would be today, since a lot has happened since his death.  

I'll take the word of a traditional Bishop living TODAY!  My CMRI Bishop!

While I do not know His Excellency Bishop Pivarunas, here is what I do know and believe. He is valid, as are the priests he ordains. For that, I have no issue going to the CMRI for mass and am glad for the existence of their group. However, I can not say that I found anything docuмentation which explains any canonical training past any seminary formation. In my opinion, a priest/ bishop with training past his seminary formation in the form of PhD's or theological certificates would be someone whose advice I would take over a priest who is not a theologian.

Again, this isn't to admonish or slander the CMRI or their bishop, as I actually hold to much of what they believe. Its only they have no real theologian or thorough training in their seminary (source: a good and trusted friend) where I could be confident in anything other than the validity of their sacraments.

They must have the necessary training because they teach the Truth.  

It would be interesting to see from you, exactly what you mean by training?  Is it knowledge of the Faith, is it an understanding of the encyclicals of past popes? or is it the rubric as in instructions of the various liturgical services in missals?  The Latin language maybe?  
I am sincerely curious what you mean by lack of training?  

Please reply!