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« on: June 29, 2010, 12:43:18 PM »
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  • EXORCIST CLAIMS SOME HAVE 'HUNDREDS' OF DEMONS THAT FLEE WITH THE NAME OF HOLY MEN

    An American priest best known for work in the pro-life arena but also an exorcist claims in a new book that hundreds of spirits can inhabit a single person and describes the terror of demons at the mention of holy men such as John Paul II or Padre Pio.

    "It is very common for an exorcist to come up against demons that work as a pack but who are always dominated by one principle demon that is the strongest intellect and will of the group," says Father Thomas J. Euteneuer in the interesting book, Exorcism and the Church Militant, citing the case of one woman who had suffered for years from afflictions and pains that could not be cured by any medicine or therapy.

    "The woman needed to be delivered from a host of lesser-strength demons which had literally infested her body over the course of many years for various reasons but which were now causing an escalating series of sorrowful events and persecution," alleges the priest. "She was a very faithful Catholic, but her fidelity only seemed to enrage the unclean spirits that persecuted her every time she began to pray or get close to God."

    Father Euteneuer says he and his team "estimated that there were several hundred distinct demons that exited her body through the four sessions of prayer and deliverance we conducted with her. Because these were not deeply-rooted demons, the process to expel them was very simple: silent prayer before the exposed Eucharist and then a command to each unclean spirit to leave her one after another. Each was commanded to tell its name as it came to the Light and say, 'Hail Mary, full of grace,' as its sign of departure."

    The priest says the list of names included "Abortion, Anti-Christ, Belial, Betrayal, Birth Control, Black Cats (this one hissed and put up its claws), Blasphemy, Fortune Telling, Horoscope, Racism," and so forth.

    In deliverance circles, it is well-known the spirits causing certain afflictions or rooted due to certain sins are often identified by the sin or affliction as a means of casting them out.

    Whether or not hundreds inhabit a person or whether this can be a deception of deceiving or mocking spirits is a difficult discernment, although Jesus Himself cast out a "legion" in the famous case of Gadarenes (sending them into the herd of swine).

    In spiritual warfare, we can thus view certain infestations as a battle against a host of evil entities, the highest-ranking of which are frequently referred to as "principalities."

    Whether or not they are really the entities by which they are named, Father Euteneuer, who is president of the pro-life organization, Human Life International in Virginia, further believes that demons with biblical names -- Satan or Beelzebub or Lucifer or Asmodeus or Zebulun or Baal -- are usually the wickedest and strongest ones.

    He points out that the three common names for evil all derive from a different language -- the "devil" (from Greek), meaning to create chaos and toss things around; "Satan" (from Hebrew) meaning to accuse or tempt; and "Lucifer" (meaning "light-bearer," from Latin), which refers to what is believed to have been his standing once as a seraphim angel, one of the most powerful created.

    "The most interesting insight into the demonic mind was the demons' resounding fear of this lady's favorite holy men: Padre Pio and Pope John Paul II," the priest writes, referring again to the "legion" case. "At one point the lady said she could even sense the presence of these saintly men in the chapel. The demons certainly sensed it because each time a demon resisted the command to leave, it was very easy to me to say, 'Well, I will just have to call on the Polish Pope to deal with you,' or ask, 'Should I call my friend with the stigmata to get you to leave?'

    "Every mention of these holy men evoked a blood-curdling scream from the demons, who sometimes yelled, 'Get those $%^&* gloves off of me' or 'Keep that #@$% priest in white away from me -- I'll go! I'll go!'

    "We also used relics of the holy men which seemed to burn these demons like fire any time they were touched to the lady's person."

    [resources: Exorcism and the Church Militant]

    [We recommend prayer and fasting before contact with alleged healers, stigmatics, or exorcists]



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    « Reply #1 on: June 29, 2010, 12:54:33 PM »
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  • "very mention of these holy men evoked a blood-curdling scream from the demons, who sometimes yelled, 'Get those $%^&* gloves off of me' or 'Keep that #@$% priest in white away from me -- I'll go! I'll go!'"

    Well, Padre Pio I can understand, but...... :rolleyes:


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    « Reply #2 on: June 29, 2010, 01:12:44 PM »
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  • if one is a baptized and confirmed Catholic, eps a priest, still they hate him....even if he is not that great.....they esp hate priests....

    I know of one in my diocese, hard to beleive this fellow is the offical exorcist, beleive me, very NOish...none the less, he has had success driving a few away.....

    likely, even a Alexander VI would be formidable to satan, immorl as A6th was..still had valid holy orders...still a bran snatched(possibly) out of the fire
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #3 on: June 29, 2010, 01:15:47 PM »
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  • I'm with you, Alexandria.  Maybe he had a miracle, too, and went to heaven after all.  That would be nice.  Other wise this whole thing was a scam.
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    Please pray for the repose of her soul.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 29, 2010, 01:39:37 PM »
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    if one is a baptized and confirmed Catholic, eps a priest, still they hate him....even if he is not that great.....they esp hate priests....

    I know of one in my diocese, hard to beleive this fellow is the offical exorcist, beleive me, very NOish...none the less, he has had success driving a few away.....

    likely, even a Alexander VI would be formidable to satan, immorl as A6th was..still had valid holy orders...still a bran snatched(possibly) out of the fire


    If this is so about the novus ordo priest exorcist in your diocese, then we are wasting our time in the SSPX and sedevacantists chapels.

    It's true.  If these novus priests are able to cast out demons and are such a potent force against evil, then they have valid orders and the church is still the Church, and only a fool would pitch a tent outside of Her.



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    « Reply #5 on: June 29, 2010, 01:49:29 PM »
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  • Ouch, Alexandria.  Remember the guy in the Bible who got hurt trying an exorcism?  This could be another of satan's lies.
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    Please pray for the repose of her soul.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 29, 2010, 01:54:00 PM »
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  • Look, Trinity, I'm only commenting on an article that was posted by Dawn about novus ordo exorcists.  And Belloc wrote about the good success his local nobus ordo exorcist has.

    That's all.  It's gotten to the point where I don't even want to contribute anything anymore.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 29, 2010, 02:03:37 PM »
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  • I was just thinking of the turmoil you're going through.  We are judged by how well we followed our consciences.  Mine was not easy in the NO and it is here.  I still don't think people should be marching up to receive communion like it was a happy meal.  My conscience says we should kneel.

    I'm sorry if I made you feel bad.  I never meant that.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 29, 2010, 02:08:21 PM »
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    I was just thinking of the turmoil you're going through.  We are judged by how well we followed our consciences.  Mine was not easy in the NO and it is here.  I still don't think people should be marching up to receive communion like it was a happy meal.  My conscience says we should kneel.

    I'm sorry if I made you feel bad.  I never meant that.


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    « Reply #9 on: June 29, 2010, 02:22:35 PM »
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    if one is a baptized and confirmed Catholic, eps a priest, still they hate him....even if he is not that great.....they esp hate priests....

    I know of one in my diocese, hard to beleive this fellow is the offical exorcist, beleive me, very NOish...none the less, he has had success driving a few away.....

    likely, even a Alexander VI would be formidable to satan, immorl as A6th was..still had valid holy orders...still a bran snatched(possibly) out of the fire


    If this is so about the novus ordo priest exorcist in your diocese, then we are wasting our time in the SSPX and sedevacantists chapels.

    It's true.  If these novus priests are able to cast out demons and are such a potent force against evil, then they have valid orders and the church is still the Church, and only a fool would pitch a tent outside of Her.



    not wasting at all in SSPX nor SV chapels-just becaues he has valid orders and some success, it does not cover the rampant problems in other areas...if I did not have my traditional parish, would go EC chapel again or SSPX...
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #10 on: June 29, 2010, 02:24:43 PM »
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    if one is a baptized and confirmed Catholic, eps a priest, still they hate him....even if he is not that great.....they esp hate priests....

    I know of one in my diocese, hard to beleive this fellow is the offical exorcist, beleive me, very NOish...none the less, he has had success driving a few away.....

    likely, even a Alexander VI would be formidable to satan, immorl as A6th was..still had valid holy orders...still a bran snatched(possibly) out of the fire


    If this is so about the novus ordo priest exorcist in your diocese, then we are wasting our time in the SSPX and sedevacantists chapels.

    It's true.  If these novus priests are able to cast out demons and are such a potent force against evil, then they have valid orders and the church is still the Church, and only a fool would pitch a tent outside of Her.



    not wasting at all in SSPX nor SV chapels-just becaues he has valid orders and some success, it does not cover the rampant problems in other areas...if I did not have my traditional parish, would go EC chapel again or SSPX...


    What is an "EC chapel"?

    And it does matter to sedes, many of whom do not think that the new rite of ordination is valid.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 29, 2010, 02:30:32 PM »
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  • EC Chapel-Eastern Catholic (byzantine rite) chapel..

    as far as your statement :

    "And it does matter to sedes, many of whom do not think that the new rite of ordination is valid. "

    then logic would have to conclude one of 2 things

    1. these success stories are made up and are complete baseless lies...a big assumption and one hard to cover up, too many witnesses,etc

    or

    2. The ordinations, at least some portion if not all, are then valid, however flawed,etc.....

    can a tree rotten to its core bear good fruit? likely, unless God decides to use it to deliver the possesed, not... or is that treee half dead, half alive and struggling to live, fighting between 2 parts? i would have to conclude #2 is correct or elsewise, the conspiracy is way beyond logical.....again, too many witnesses with no axe to bear nor agenda to prove....
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    « Reply #12 on: June 29, 2010, 04:31:01 PM »
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    2. The ordinations, at least some portion if not all, are then valid, however flawed,etc.....

    It is possible that an exorcist not validly ordained to the priesthood can still cast out demons. The powers to cast out demons may be given to the order of exorcist which is one of the minor orders. So, it is possible for these exorcists to have been invalidly ordained as priests and still have the powers of exorcism as long as they were validly ordained to the diaconate, where I assume they receive the powers of the minor orders.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 29, 2010, 04:51:18 PM »
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    2. The ordinations, at least some portion if not all, are then valid, however flawed,etc.....

    It is possible that an exorcist not validly ordained to the priesthood can still cast out demons. The powers to cast out demons may be given to the order of exorcist which is one of the minor orders. So, it is possible for these exorcists to have been invalidly ordained as priests and still have the powers of exorcism as long as they were validly ordained to the diaconate, where I assume they receive the powers of the minor orders.


    You're right, I never thought of that.

    What I wouldn't do for a clear mind....

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    « Reply #14 on: June 30, 2010, 04:58:42 AM »
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  • You have to be a vlidly ordained priest. You must also be in a state of grace. Satan would know otherwise and use it against the priest. You must use the old rite of Excorcism.
    Are these Novus Ordo Priests successful? Do they really drive the demons out or do they go elsewhere.
    I am sorry but the baloney in that article made this Novus Ordo excorcist sound exactly like a Pentecostal doing deliverance.It is even in the article.
    I just talked to Fr. K. this week about the exact same stuff. He is one of the few priests in this country who do excorcisms.
    And he is successful and so very busy you would not believe. He said he could do a few a day every day and never be done.
    Sad to say there are really no priests interested in doing this. Many are afraid.
    Ask the CMRI if the do have any one who is actively an excorcist.  When I had someone call about two years ago before I met Fr. K. they did not do excorcisms. That is sad as these people are desperate.