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HELP ME IM LOSING MY FAITH
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2012, 04:26:04 PM »
Quote from: Antony
Quote from: nadieimportante
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I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. The idea of atheism is terrible sorry to me. I just can't imagine forever being like that. I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible? And the ice age? Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


Don't expect anything. Pray to Mary so that she can pray for you so that your faith grows.


Don't expect anything = don't expect any signs and wonders, Our God is a hidden God.

If you want quick signs, seek them in the demons. They will manifest themselves if you invoke them. If the demons exist, then God must exist. If you can rid yourself of the demons by invoking the name of Jesus, and no other name will work, save the Blessed Mother, then your religion is true. I don't recomend this method, but it is the only way you will see "signs".

People (specially women) today run away from any mention whatsoever of death, and hell, they avoid any thought of the subject. Yet no earthly reality will equal contemplation  of death, as a guide to the correct road for eternal life. Meditate on the reality of death.

In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin. (Eccle 7:40)


Correct me if I am wrong, but I hope you are not saying it might be an okay option to try this thing with the demons so that you can invoke the Holy Name of Jesus to see if there is a God.  This would never be right and would probaly open up doors that would be hard to close.  This is never a viable option.  I know you probaly didnt mean it this way, but it could come across like that.


When I was in the military...we referred to someone who gets drunk the night before...then does PT at 530 am as "sweatin' the demons".

HELP ME IM LOSING MY FAITH
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2012, 07:02:11 PM »
Have you thought about this:

1) Faith is a grace, and can be taken away as punishment for sin.

2) Are you in the state of grace?

3) Do you pray for the grace of Faith as you would pray for help in any other area in which you would struggle?

4) Do not confuse consolation and emotion (i.e., "feeling good about God") with the intellect and will (i.e., I can prove philosophically that God exists, since the universe could not be formed lest there be some first efficient cause; an unmoved mover, as Aristotle says).

5) Many of the great saints have been tempted by desolation in the spiritual life (What St. John of the Cross called "the dark night of the soul.").  You should read that book.

6) Why aren't there dinosaurs in the Bible?  This is of little consequence, lest you lose all belief in many other things that don't appear in the Bible which were certainly living at the time (e.g., Geese and yellow-bellied sapsuckers, etc).

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HELP ME IM LOSING MY FAITH
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 08:27:14 PM »
Quote from: Antony
Quote from: nadieimportante
Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Quote from: Lydia
I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. The idea of atheism is terrible sorry to me. I just can't imagine forever being like that. I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible? And the ice age? Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


Don't expect anything. Pray to Mary so that she can pray for you so that your faith grows.


Don't expect anything = don't expect any signs and wonders, Our God is a hidden God.

If you want quick signs, seek them in the demons. They will manifest themselves if you invoke them. If the demons exist, then God must exist. If you can rid yourself of the demons by invoking the name of Jesus, and no other name will work, save the Blessed Mother, then your religion is true. I don't recomend this method, but it is the only way you will see "signs".

People (specially women) today run away from any mention whatsoever of death, and hell, they avoid any thought of the subject. Yet no earthly reality will equal contemplation  of death, as a guide to the correct road for eternal life. Meditate on the reality of death.

In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin. (Eccle 7:40)


Correct me if I am wrong, but I hope you are not saying it might be an okay option to try this thing with the demons so that you can invoke the Holy Name of Jesus to see if there is a God.  This would never be right and would probaly open up doors that would be hard to close.  This is never a viable option.  I know you probaly didnt mean it this way, but it could come across like that.


Not to mention that demons are highly intelligent beings, and would probably realise that if somebody was actually desperate enough to resort to this, doing absolutely nothing would be the best way to drag that poor soul down to Hell.

HELP ME IM LOSING MY FAITH
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2012, 01:33:00 AM »
Quote from: Canuk the Lionheart
Quote from: Antony
Quote from: nadieimportante
Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Quote from: Lydia
I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. The idea of atheism is terrible sorry to me. I just can't imagine forever being like that. I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible? And the ice age? Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


Don't expect anything. Pray to Mary so that she can pray for you so that your faith grows.


Don't expect anything = don't expect any signs and wonders, Our God is a hidden God.

If you want quick signs, seek them in the demons. They will manifest themselves if you invoke them. If the demons exist, then God must exist. If you can rid yourself of the demons by invoking the name of Jesus, and no other name will work, save the Blessed Mother, then your religion is true. I don't recomend this method, but it is the only way you will see "signs".

People (specially women) today run away from any mention whatsoever of death, and hell, they avoid any thought of the subject. Yet no earthly reality will equal contemplation  of death, as a guide to the correct road for eternal life. Meditate on the reality of death.

In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin. (Eccle 7:40)


Correct me if I am wrong, but I hope you are not saying it might be an okay option to try this thing with the demons so that you can invoke the Holy Name of Jesus to see if there is a God.  This would never be right and would probaly open up doors that would be hard to close.  This is never a viable option.  I know you probaly didnt mean it this way, but it could come across like that.


Not to mention that demons are highly intelligent beings, and would probably realise that if somebody was actually desperate enough to resort to this, doing absolutely nothing would be the best way to drag that poor soul down to Hell.


Canuk is correct.

and to answer Anthony, You are right "it is never a viable option".  I didn't mean to say that it is a viable option "to try this thing with the demons so that you can invoke the Holy Name of Jesus to see if there is a God". I was making a point that if you want signs and wonders from God, you won't find them, but can find them from the demons. I was making the point that one should suspect "signs and wonders" as coming from the demons, until the Church has ruled otherwise. This is very important to follow in our times, where groups (prevalent among the "feelings" oriented types) have today "apparitions" in practically every state in the USA, and states in other countries.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. (Galatians 1:8)

HELP ME IM LOSING MY FAITH
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 09:22:32 AM »
If we relied on reason alone, the truth could be known only a few, with much uncertainty, and this after great difficulty. How then, the question may be asked, since all cannot be experts in philosophy or theology anyway are they to know the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth, with solid certainty?

Thus the First Vatican Council, which is an absolute must-read for any Catholic wondering about the relationship faith and reason, taught,

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Nevertheless, in order that the submission of our faith should be in accordance with reason, it was God's will that there should be linked to the internal assistance of the Holy Spirit external indications of his revelation, that is to say divine acts, and first and foremost miracles and prophecies, which clearly demonstrating as they do the omnipotence and infinite knowledge of God, are the most certain signs of revelation and are suited to the understanding of all.

Hence Moses and the prophets, and especially Christ Our Lord Himself, worked many absolutely clear miracles and delivered prophecies


And a form of this teaching was incorporated into the Oath against Modernism. The Council Fathers wisely foresaw the subtle spread of impiety everywhere, the rise of such doctrines as naturalism and rationalism, and how devastating this environment was gradually going to be to the souls of the Catholic faithful.

Apart from several manifest modern miracles such as those in Lourdes, Fatima and the like, as to the chief prophecies in Holy writ about the Messiah, spoken by Almighty God through His holy Prophets all made and written down several centuries before his advent, only a very few may be mentioned.

The promise of a new covenant, an everlasting one that shall never be broken (Jer 31:31-34;Isa 59:20-21), the institution of a new order of priesthood, according to Melchizedek (Psa 110:4) who had offered bread and wine to God most high (Gen 14:18) and blessed Abraham, the selection of such priests from all nations (Isa 66:21), nations who will be reconciled by the Servant who faces rejection from His former people (Isa 49:5-6), who are henceforth no more His (Dan 9:26), the multitude of who will then offer a pure sacrifice to God in every place throughout the world from sunrise to sunset, while He receives none from the Jews (Mal 1:10-11)

The numerous remarkably clear visions of His Passion, suffering and death for the remission of sins, (Is 52:13-53:12; Wis 2:12-21; Psa 22), His being a Son of Man, who is worshipped from all nations,(Dan 7:13-14) seated at the right hand of God, until His enemies are defeated, (Psa 110:1-2), the pure fountain of baptism present in the new Jerusalem that washes away sins, (Ez 36:25, Zec 13:1) are all clearly foreseen, His divinity manifested, (Mic 5:2, Isa 9:6), and even the very timing of His coming is announced as being a certain number of years after the decree of Artaxerxes and while the temple was yet standing (Dan 9:25-26, Mal 3:1) (which we know historically before 70 A.D and after 62 B.C).

All of this is mentioned to varying degrees even by the early Fathers of the Church in their controversies with pagans. The great medieval Scholastic Doctors went even further in establishing very plainly, from reason alone, simple proofs for the existence of God, or reasons that make it credible.

St.Thomas offers 5 arguments, essentially from causality, cosmology, teleology and morality. All of these have been developed by others since then, and are each very powerful arguments, to anyone inclined toward philosophy. And even someone who accepts the Big bang model unqualified is still forced to admit them.

The Church also enlisted what are called "motives of credibility". Apart from prophesy and miracles, the Church herself is one such sign of the true Faith.

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What is more, the Church herself by reason of her astonishing propagation, her outstanding holiness and her inexhaustible fertility in every kind of goodness, by her Catholic unity and her unconquerable stability, is a kind of great and perpetual motive of credibility and an incontrovertible evidence of her own divine mission.

So it comes about that, like a standard lifted up for the nations , she both invites to herself those who have not yet believed, and likewise assures her sons and daughters that the faith they profess rests on the firmest of foundations.