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« on: January 09, 2012, 08:28:55 PM »
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  • I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. The idea of atheism is terrible sorry to me. I just can't imagine forever being like that. I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible? And the ice age? Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


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    « Reply #1 on: January 09, 2012, 08:46:14 PM »
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    Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible?
    And the ice age?


    The Pentateuch was written by Moses.  Now obviously he wasn't writing about Zoology.  The pre-flood world was probably quite different than the world is today.  The expansion and retreat of the glaciers could easily have taken place in the aftermath of the Flood.  Obviously there is a lot that's hard to explain, but you shouldn't take it for granted that those who believe they've figured out "natural history" can really know what was going on in the past.  They use a lot of conjectural techniques and whenever they discuss any topic they implicitly assume God had nothing to do with it.  If you do that you're bound to come up with something like Evolution.  They think they know a lot more than they can know.  As for dinosaurs:  Now the book of Job does seem to refer to large beasts like the Leviathan and the Behemoth, which suggests ancient peoples had some knowledge or memory of dinosaur like creatures.


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    Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


    What is the issue with barbarians?


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    « Reply #2 on: January 09, 2012, 08:48:58 PM »
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  • That's easy, dinosaurs are really dragons.   Some scientist invented dinosaurs in the mid 1800's.  All ancient cultures refer to dragons.  Dragons are a fun way to get out of temptation to doubt our holy faith.

     Another way is to check out incorrupt saints on Youtube

    Check out eucharistic miracles on YouTube!

    Look at the Library section on this site for beautiful inspiring accounts of the Church Fathers.

    Ask us to pray for you and we will!

    TALK TO A TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC PRIEST
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     listen to divinely inspired sacred polyphonic music   The Tallis Scholars,  Misererie Mei Deus on youtube

    with love, Elizabeth

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    « Reply #3 on: January 09, 2012, 08:49:47 PM »
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  • One more thing, there's a lot more to life than what your typical advocate of scientism believes.  Scientism is a fairly shallow and cruel ideology, don't ever fall for the line those "know-it-alls" are trying to sell you.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 09, 2012, 08:53:53 PM »
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  • Hi, Lydia. Welcome to CatholicInfo.

    I actually experienced the same thing nearly a year ago. I never became an atheist, but I kept having bad, atheistic thoughts. Thoughts like "how is it possible that there is a God?" and so forth. The thoughts were really annoying and scared me a bit. Fortunetly, they went away after much prayer. And now whenever they enter my mind, they don't phase me because now I know how to refute atheism and evolution.

    See, those thoughts you are experiencing are from the devil. The devil likes to plant thoughts like that in the heads of people he knows are vulnerable to get them to doubt that God exists. In fact, one of the devil's greatest ploys is to get you to think that he himself does not exist, because if a person doesn't believe in the devil or hell, that person go about his life committing sin after sin at a care-free rate, and his soul will be in hell after he dies. So that is one trick the devil loves to use. The key is to be strong enough in your Faith to fight them.

    The way I fought my thoughts was by learning how to refute atheism and evolution. I recently studied Christian biology, something that helped me tremendously. I can't go over the whole thing but to give a brief summary: Charles Darwin is credited as the "founder of evolution". Early in his life, he was a Christian who "believed in every word of the Bible". One day he took a role of observation on the HMS Beagle, and began reading the work of several atheists that influenced his own beliefs, i.e that animals "compete for survival" and that "the present in the key to the past". After reading this, he began observing numerous different creatures, and eventually concluded that evolution was responsible for creation. Now, interestingly he never became an atheist. He apparently was a Deist, someone who believes there is a God who created the world, gave it it's first push to get it going, then left it to work on its own. Deists also believes that God allowed evolution to take place.

    The problems with the evolutionist theory? To name a few, there are no "intermediate links" that have been found in the fossil record that scientists need to "prove" evolution occured, and also the evolutionist theory claims that animals "compete for survival". In reality, however, many animals work together in order to survive, a fact that defeats evolution. But the biggest thing is that there is no way that the complexity of creation could have occured without a Devine Creator.

    Basically you have either two options: you could either say that there was nothing and that out of nothing there became something, or that God was responsible for all creation. Atheists say the latter makes no sense, but how much sense does the former make? Something can not suddenly be made out of nothing on its own, that is absurd.

    I hope my post helps. I suggest you continue to research the flaws of atheism and the evolutionist theory, and I suggest you seek guidance from a Traditional priest. I'll be sure to keep you in my prayers.

    God Bless.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 09, 2012, 09:35:14 PM »
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  • Lydia, if you read Job 39-41 dinosaur like creatures are mentioned in the Bible. Creatures that swim in the water and breath fire, and creatures that have LEGS LIKE PILLARS, and a TAIL like a cedar tree. I think you might find them interesting.
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila

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    « Reply #6 on: January 09, 2012, 11:18:36 PM »
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    I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. The idea of atheism is terrible sorry to me. I just can't imagine forever being like that. I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible? And the ice age? Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


    Don't expect anything. Pray to Mary so that she can pray for you so that your faith grows.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 10, 2012, 02:30:10 AM »
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    I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. ...I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. ... Please help or advise.


    Don't expect anything. Pray to Mary so that she can pray for you so that your faith grows.


    Faith comes only from God's grace.

    All the saints have a great devotion to Our Lady: no grace comes from Heaven without passing through her hands. We cannot go into a house without speaking to the door-keeper. Well, the Holy Virgin is the doorkeeper of Heaven. John Mary Vianney

    All gifts, virtues, and graces of the Holy Ghost are administered by the hands of Mary to whomsoever she desires, when she desires, in the manner she desires, and to whatever degree she desires. Mary is the dispensatrix of all the graces God bestows. Every grace granted to man in this life has three successive steps: from God it comes to Christ, and from Christ to the Virgin, and from the Virgin it descends to us.  St. Bernardine of Siena

    Every grace which is communicated has a three-fold origin: it flows from God to Christ, from Christ to the Virgin, and from the Virgin to us. Pope Leo XIII

    The Lord has placed in Mary the plenitude of all good so that, if any hope of grace or salvation is in us, we know that we derive it all from Mary. St Bernard

    For this reason, all creatures are obligated to render her respect and homage, as to their Queen and Sovereign to whom they belong, and upon whom they depend, and will depend, for all eternity. St. John Eudes

    Even as Eve, having become disobedient, was made the cause of death both to herself and to the entire human race so also did Mary, by being obedient, become the cause of salvation both to herself and to the whole human race. And therefore, as the human
    race was made subject to death by a virgin, so is it saved by a virgin.  St Irenaeus of Lyons

    Mary has the greatest and clearest claims to our homage and praise: she is the salvation of the world; our dependence upon the august Mary is complete and universal. There is neither on earth nor in Heaven any justified soul, any one of the Elect, who does not owe Mary his justice and his glory. Ven. William Joseph Chaminade

    Many have proved invincibly, from the sentiments of the Fathers - among others: St. Augustine, St. Ephem, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Germanus of Constantinople, St, John Damascene, St. Anselm, St. Bernard, St. Bernardine, St. Thomas, and St. Bonaventure - that devotion to Our Most Blessed Virgin is necessary for salvation, and that it is an infallible mark of reprobation to have no esteem or love for the Holy Virgin while, on the other hand, it is an infallible mark of predestination to be entirely and truly devoted to her. St Louis Marie de Montfort

    If our life were not under the protection of Mary, we might tremble for our perseverance and salvation. In her hands Jesus has placed His almighty power in the order of salvation. All the graces of salvation, both the natural and the spiritual, will be given to us
    by Mary.  St. Peter Julian Eymard

    Mary is the whole hope of our salvation. St Thomas Aquinas

    The foundation of all our confidence is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary. Through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is God's will: that we obtain everything through Mary. Ven. Pope Pius IX

    A mediator, then, was needed with the Mediator Himself, nor could a more fitting one be found than Mary.  St. Bernard

    Mary is our necessary and universal Mediatrix. No one can go to the Son but by Mary, just as no one can go to the Father but by the Son. Only through Mary do we reach Jesus, since Jesus came to us only through Mary. Ven. William Joseph Chaminade

    Nothing comes to us except through the mediation of Mary, for such is the will of God. Pope Leo XIII

    To reach the Eternal Father, we must go to Jesus, our Mediator of Redemption. To go to Jesus, we must go to Mary, our Mediatrix of Intercession. St. Louis Marie de Montfort

    What, therefore, God hath joined together, let no man put asunder ... Take the Child and His Mother. St. Matthew 19:4; 2:20

    The Child is not found without Mary, His Mother. If, then, it is impossible to separate what God has united, it is also certain that you cannot find Jesus except with Mary and through Mary. Pope St. Pius X

    We must never separate Jesus from Mary; we can go to Him only through her. Without Mary, we would never find Jesus. Whoever would say "I have no need of Mary" would be guilty of blasphemy! Our eternal salvation is at stake, and we are bound to honor her as the Mother of God and our Mother. St. Peter Julian Eymard

    Mary is the Ark of God, the center of the universe, the cause of creation, the business of the ages. Towards her turn the men who have gone before us, we who are now living, those who are to follow us, our children's children, and their descendants. If we have any chance of salvation, we have it all from Mary, Go, then, have recourse to Mary. St. Bernard





    If you persevere till death in true devotion to Mary, your salvation is certain. St Alphonsus Maria Liguori

    With reason did the Most Holy Virgin predict that all generations would call her blessed, for all the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary.  St. Idelphonsus


    In the multitude of the Elect she shall have praise, and among the blessed she shall be blessed. Ecclesiasticus 24.4

    Her children rose up and called her blessed. Proverbs 31:28

    For behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed ... who are born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of man, A of God. St Luke 1:48, St. John 1:13


    Every one of the multitudes, therefore, whom the evil of calamitous circuмstances has stolen away from Catholic unity, must be born again to Christ by that same Mother whom God has endowed with a never-failing fertility to bring forth a holy people.
    Pope Leo XIII

    Bearing in her womb the Savior, Mary can also be said to have borne all those whose life the Savior's life enshrined. All of us, then, as many as are knit to Christ, have come forth from Marys womb: one Body, as it were, knit together with its Head. Pope St Pius X

    Although in the most pure womb of Mary there was but one kernel of grain, Jesus Christ, nevertheless, her womb is called a "heap of wheat" (Cant. 7:2) because all the Elect were virtually contained in it. St. Ambrose

    Mary is that Happy Ark, in which those who take refuge will never suffer the shipwreck of eternal perdition.  St. Bernard

    However great a sinner may have been, if he shows himself devout to Mary he will never perish. St Hilary of Poitiers

    We believe that Mary opens the abyss of God's mercy to whomsoever she wills, when she wills, and as she wills; so that there is no sinner, however great, who is lost if Mary protects him. St. Bonaventure

    He who is devout to the Virgin Mother will certainly never be lost.  St. Ignatius of Antioch

    Not a single soul who has really persevered in her service has ever been damned. St. Louis Marie de Montfort

    0 Mother of God! If I place my confidence in thee, I shall be saved; if I am under thy protection, I have nothing to fear; for being thy client is a certainty of salvation which God grants only to those whom He intends to save.  St. John Damascene

    Being thy servant, 0 Mary, is a surety of salvation which God grants solely to those He will save. St. Andrew of Crete

    The servants of Mary are as certain of getting to Paradise as though they were already there. Who are they who are saved, and reign in Heaven? Surely, those for whom the Queen of Mercy intercedes. The clients of Mary will necessarily be saved! St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori

    0 Blessed Mary, whoever loves you, honors God; whoever serves you, pleases God; whoever invokes your holy name, with a pure heart, will infallibly receive the object of his petition. St. Bernard

    0 admirable Mother of God! How many sins have I committed for which thou hast obtained pardon for me, and how many others would I have committed if thou hadst not preserved me? How often have I seen myself on the brink of Hell in obvious danger of falling into it but for thy most benign hand which saved me? Alas! Without thee, my dearest and all-good Mother, where should I be today? I should be in the fiery furnace of Hell!  St. John Eudes

    Would that everyone might know that I would already be damned already were it not for Mary! St Louis Marie de Montfort



    The honor of Mary is so intimately connected with the honor and glory of Jesus that to deny the one is at the same time a denial of the other. Ven. William Joseph Chaminade

    He who neglects the service of the Blessed Virgin will die in his sins. He who does not invoke thee, O Lady, will never get to Heaven. Not only win those from whom Mary turns her countenance not be saved, but there will be no hope of their salvation.

    No one can be saved without the protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary.  St Bonaventure

    To desire grace without recourse to the Virgin Mother is to desire to fly without wings. Pope Pius XII

    If you would enter into Life, keep the commandments ... Honor thy father and thy mother. St Matthew 19:17,19

    Behold thy Mother! St. John 19:27

    Jesus honored her before all ages, and will honor her for all ages. No one comes to Him, nor even near Him, no one is saved or sanctified, if he too will not honor her. This is the lot of angels and of men. St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe

    There is a generation that does not bless their Mother, a generation pure in their own eyes and yet not washed from their filthiness. Proverbs 30.11-12

    All the true children of God, the predestinate, have God for their Father and Mary for their Mother. He who has not Mary for his Mother has not God for his Father.  St. Louis Marie de Montfort

    Whoever does not wish to have Mary Immaculate as his Mother will not have Christ as his Brother either; the Father will not send His Son to him; the Son will not descend into his soul; the Holy Spirit will not make him a member of the Mystical Body of Christ; for a these mysteries of grace take place in Mary Full-of-Grace, and in her alone. And, since the First Born Son was conceived only through the specific consent of the Most Blessed Virgin, the same holds true for all other humans. St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe

    Your heart will either sing the divine canticles of Our Lady, or echo the cursed and unhappy songs of worldlings here in dishonor to God and vibrate eternally with the blasphemies and horrid dirges of the damned in Hell!  St. John Eudes

    "Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
     Right is right even if no one is doing it." - Saint Augustine


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    « Reply #8 on: January 10, 2012, 03:00:04 AM »
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    I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. The idea of atheism is terrible sorry to me. I just can't imagine forever being like that. I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible? And the ice age? Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


    Don't expect anything. Pray to Mary so that she can pray for you so that your faith grows.


    Don't expect anything = don't expect any signs and wonders, Our God is a hidden God.

    If you want quick signs, seek them in the demons. They will manifest themselves if you invoke them. If the demons exist, then God must exist. If you can rid yourself of the demons by invoking the name of Jesus, and no other name will work, save the Blessed Mother, then your religion is true. I don't recomend this method, but it is the only way you will see "signs".

    People (specially women) today run away from any mention whatsoever of death, and hell, they avoid any thought of the subject. Yet no earthly reality will equal contemplation  of death, as a guide to the correct road for eternal life. Meditate on the reality of death.

    In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin. (Eccle 7:40)
    "Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
     Right is right even if no one is doing it." - Saint Augustine

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    « Reply #9 on: January 10, 2012, 04:09:22 PM »
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    I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. The idea of atheism is terrible sorry to me. I just can't imagine forever being like that. I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible? And the ice age? Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


    Don't expect anything. Pray to Mary so that she can pray for you so that your faith grows.


    Don't expect anything = don't expect any signs and wonders, Our God is a hidden God.

    If you want quick signs, seek them in the demons. They will manifest themselves if you invoke them. If the demons exist, then God must exist. If you can rid yourself of the demons by invoking the name of Jesus, and no other name will work, save the Blessed Mother, then your religion is true. I don't recomend this method, but it is the only way you will see "signs".

    People (specially women) today run away from any mention whatsoever of death, and hell, they avoid any thought of the subject. Yet no earthly reality will equal contemplation  of death, as a guide to the correct road for eternal life. Meditate on the reality of death.

    In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin. (Eccle 7:40)


    Correct me if I am wrong, but I hope you are not saying it might be an okay option to try this thing with the demons so that you can invoke the Holy Name of Jesus to see if there is a God.  This would never be right and would probaly open up doors that would be hard to close.  This is never a viable option.  I know you probaly didnt mean it this way, but it could come across like that.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 10, 2012, 04:26:04 PM »
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    I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. The idea of atheism is terrible sorry to me. I just can't imagine forever being like that. I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible? And the ice age? Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


    Don't expect anything. Pray to Mary so that she can pray for you so that your faith grows.


    Don't expect anything = don't expect any signs and wonders, Our God is a hidden God.

    If you want quick signs, seek them in the demons. They will manifest themselves if you invoke them. If the demons exist, then God must exist. If you can rid yourself of the demons by invoking the name of Jesus, and no other name will work, save the Blessed Mother, then your religion is true. I don't recomend this method, but it is the only way you will see "signs".

    People (specially women) today run away from any mention whatsoever of death, and hell, they avoid any thought of the subject. Yet no earthly reality will equal contemplation  of death, as a guide to the correct road for eternal life. Meditate on the reality of death.

    In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin. (Eccle 7:40)


    Correct me if I am wrong, but I hope you are not saying it might be an okay option to try this thing with the demons so that you can invoke the Holy Name of Jesus to see if there is a God.  This would never be right and would probaly open up doors that would be hard to close.  This is never a viable option.  I know you probaly didnt mean it this way, but it could come across like that.


    When I was in the military...we referred to someone who gets drunk the night before...then does PT at 530 am as "sweatin' the demons".


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    « Reply #11 on: January 10, 2012, 07:02:11 PM »
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  • Have you thought about this:

    1) Faith is a grace, and can be taken away as punishment for sin.

    2) Are you in the state of grace?

    3) Do you pray for the grace of Faith as you would pray for help in any other area in which you would struggle?

    4) Do not confuse consolation and emotion (i.e., "feeling good about God") with the intellect and will (i.e., I can prove philosophically that God exists, since the universe could not be formed lest there be some first efficient cause; an unmoved mover, as Aristotle says).

    5) Many of the great saints have been tempted by desolation in the spiritual life (What St. John of the Cross called "the dark night of the soul.").  You should read that book.

    6) Why aren't there dinosaurs in the Bible?  This is of little consequence, lest you lose all belief in many other things that don't appear in the Bible which were certainly living at the time (e.g., Geese and yellow-bellied sapsuckers, etc).

    7)
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 08:27:14 PM »
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    I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. The idea of atheism is terrible sorry to me. I just can't imagine forever being like that. I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible? And the ice age? Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


    Don't expect anything. Pray to Mary so that she can pray for you so that your faith grows.


    Don't expect anything = don't expect any signs and wonders, Our God is a hidden God.

    If you want quick signs, seek them in the demons. They will manifest themselves if you invoke them. If the demons exist, then God must exist. If you can rid yourself of the demons by invoking the name of Jesus, and no other name will work, save the Blessed Mother, then your religion is true. I don't recomend this method, but it is the only way you will see "signs".

    People (specially women) today run away from any mention whatsoever of death, and hell, they avoid any thought of the subject. Yet no earthly reality will equal contemplation  of death, as a guide to the correct road for eternal life. Meditate on the reality of death.

    In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin. (Eccle 7:40)


    Correct me if I am wrong, but I hope you are not saying it might be an okay option to try this thing with the demons so that you can invoke the Holy Name of Jesus to see if there is a God.  This would never be right and would probaly open up doors that would be hard to close.  This is never a viable option.  I know you probaly didnt mean it this way, but it could come across like that.


    Not to mention that demons are highly intelligent beings, and would probably realise that if somebody was actually desperate enough to resort to this, doing absolutely nothing would be the best way to drag that poor soul down to Hell.

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  • Quote from: Canuk the Lionheart
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    I love the idea of God. However I don't know why I keep being so doubtful that He is there. The idea of atheism is terrible sorry to me. I just can't imagine forever being like that. I'm a baptised Catholic and attend mass every Sunday. I just want to believe. Why can't I? Sometimes I'll feel all happy about God, but sometimes I feel like science points to no God. Like why aren't dinosaurs in the bible? And the ice age? Also what about the barbarions and such? Please help or advise.


    Don't expect anything. Pray to Mary so that she can pray for you so that your faith grows.


    Don't expect anything = don't expect any signs and wonders, Our God is a hidden God.

    If you want quick signs, seek them in the demons. They will manifest themselves if you invoke them. If the demons exist, then God must exist. If you can rid yourself of the demons by invoking the name of Jesus, and no other name will work, save the Blessed Mother, then your religion is true. I don't recomend this method, but it is the only way you will see "signs".

    People (specially women) today run away from any mention whatsoever of death, and hell, they avoid any thought of the subject. Yet no earthly reality will equal contemplation  of death, as a guide to the correct road for eternal life. Meditate on the reality of death.

    In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin. (Eccle 7:40)


    Correct me if I am wrong, but I hope you are not saying it might be an okay option to try this thing with the demons so that you can invoke the Holy Name of Jesus to see if there is a God.  This would never be right and would probaly open up doors that would be hard to close.  This is never a viable option.  I know you probaly didnt mean it this way, but it could come across like that.


    Not to mention that demons are highly intelligent beings, and would probably realise that if somebody was actually desperate enough to resort to this, doing absolutely nothing would be the best way to drag that poor soul down to Hell.


    Canuk is correct.

    and to answer Anthony, You are right "it is never a viable option".  I didn't mean to say that it is a viable option "to try this thing with the demons so that you can invoke the Holy Name of Jesus to see if there is a God". I was making a point that if you want signs and wonders from God, you won't find them, but can find them from the demons. I was making the point that one should suspect "signs and wonders" as coming from the demons, until the Church has ruled otherwise. This is very important to follow in our times, where groups (prevalent among the "feelings" oriented types) have today "apparitions" in practically every state in the USA, and states in other countries.

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. (Galatians 1:8)
    "Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
     Right is right even if no one is doing it." - Saint Augustine

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    HELP ME IM LOSING MY FAITH
    « Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 09:22:32 AM »
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  • If we relied on reason alone, the truth could be known only a few, with much uncertainty, and this after great difficulty. How then, the question may be asked, since all cannot be experts in philosophy or theology anyway are they to know the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth, with solid certainty?

    Thus the First Vatican Council, which is an absolute must-read for any Catholic wondering about the relationship faith and reason, taught,

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    Nevertheless, in order that the submission of our faith should be in accordance with reason, it was God's will that there should be linked to the internal assistance of the Holy Spirit external indications of his revelation, that is to say divine acts, and first and foremost miracles and prophecies, which clearly demonstrating as they do the omnipotence and infinite knowledge of God, are the most certain signs of revelation and are suited to the understanding of all.

    Hence Moses and the prophets, and especially Christ Our Lord Himself, worked many absolutely clear miracles and delivered prophecies


    And a form of this teaching was incorporated into the Oath against Modernism. The Council Fathers wisely foresaw the subtle spread of impiety everywhere, the rise of such doctrines as naturalism and rationalism, and how devastating this environment was gradually going to be to the souls of the Catholic faithful.

    Apart from several manifest modern miracles such as those in Lourdes, Fatima and the like, as to the chief prophecies in Holy writ about the Messiah, spoken by Almighty God through His holy Prophets all made and written down several centuries before his advent, only a very few may be mentioned.

    The promise of a new covenant, an everlasting one that shall never be broken (Jer 31:31-34;Isa 59:20-21), the institution of a new order of priesthood, according to Melchizedek (Psa 110:4) who had offered bread and wine to God most high (Gen 14:18) and blessed Abraham, the selection of such priests from all nations (Isa 66:21), nations who will be reconciled by the Servant who faces rejection from His former people (Isa 49:5-6), who are henceforth no more His (Dan 9:26), the multitude of who will then offer a pure sacrifice to God in every place throughout the world from sunrise to sunset, while He receives none from the Jєωs (Mal 1:10-11)

    The numerous remarkably clear visions of His Passion, suffering and death for the remission of sins, (Is 52:13-53:12; Wis 2:12-21; Psa 22), His being a Son of Man, who is worshipped from all nations,(Dan 7:13-14) seated at the right hand of God, until His enemies are defeated, (Psa 110:1-2), the pure fountain of baptism present in the new Jerusalem that washes away sins, (Ez 36:25, Zec 13:1) are all clearly foreseen, His divinity manifested, (Mic 5:2, Isa 9:6), and even the very timing of His coming is announced as being a certain number of years after the decree of Artaxerxes and while the temple was yet standing (Dan 9:25-26, Mal 3:1) (which we know historically before 70 A.D and after 62 B.C).

    All of this is mentioned to varying degrees even by the early Fathers of the Church in their controversies with pagans. The great medieval Scholastic Doctors went even further in establishing very plainly, from reason alone, simple proofs for the existence of God, or reasons that make it credible.

    St.Thomas offers 5 arguments, essentially from causality, cosmology, teleology and morality. All of these have been developed by others since then, and are each very powerful arguments, to anyone inclined toward philosophy. And even someone who accepts the Big bang model unqualified is still forced to admit them.

    The Church also enlisted what are called "motives of credibility". Apart from prophesy and miracles, the Church herself is one such sign of the true Faith.

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    What is more, the Church herself by reason of her astonishing propagation, her outstanding holiness and her inexhaustible fertility in every kind of goodness, by her Catholic unity and her unconquerable stability, is a kind of great and perpetual motive of credibility and an incontrovertible evidence of her own divine mission.

    So it comes about that, like a standard lifted up for the nations , she both invites to herself those who have not yet believed, and likewise assures her sons and daughters that the faith they profess rests on the firmest of foundations.


    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.