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Offline Matto

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« on: August 17, 2015, 02:25:23 PM »
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  • I have wondered about this for a while. It is my understanding that it is a mortal sin for a priest who is not in the state of grace to say Mass. Has it ever happened to anyone here that the priest on the way to Mass committed a mortal sin and because of that, had to cancel Mass because he couldn't go to confession? It has never happened at my chapel. I think it might happen because on the way to my chapel there are many immodest advertisements and many immodestly dressed women (especially in the summer time) who are all tempting the priests to sin.
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    « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2015, 02:30:43 PM »
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    I have wondered about this for a while. It is my understanding that it is a mortal sin for a priest who is not in the state of grace to say Mass. Has it ever happened to anyone here that the priest on the way to Mass committed a mortal sin and because of that, had to cancel Mass because he couldn't go to confession? It has never happened at my chapel. I think it might happen because on the way to my chapel there are many immodest advertisements and many immodestly dressed women (especially in the summer time) who are all tempting the priests to sin.


    What priest would ever divulge that reason to the faithful? It wouldn't be their business to know.

    All the faithful need to know is that they are not responsible for the state of the soul of the priest who offers the Mass. God does not withhold Grace from the faithful because of the sins of the priest.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 17, 2015, 11:23:32 PM »
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  • From the Code of Canon Law;

     Can.  916 A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P39.HTM

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    « Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 11:24:42 PM »
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  • I have been in situations where a scheduled mass was cancelled. It made me want to cry.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 20, 2015, 02:15:05 AM »
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    I think it might happen because on the way to my chapel there are many immodest advertisements and many immodestly dressed women (especially in the summer time) who are all tempting the priests to sin.


    So it is the women and the advertisers who are sinning. Besides being tempted is not the same as sinning. The priest can hardly wear a bag over his head while he drives or walks to the church.
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    « Reply #5 on: August 20, 2015, 07:48:39 AM »
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    « Reply #6 on: August 20, 2015, 11:59:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    I have wondered about this for a while. It is my understanding that it is a mortal sin for a priest who is not in the state of grace to say Mass. Has it ever happened to anyone here that the priest on the way to Mass committed a mortal sin and because of that, had to cancel Mass because he couldn't go to confession? It has never happened at my chapel. I think it might happen because on the way to my chapel there are many immodest advertisements and many immodestly dressed women (especially in the summer time) who are all tempting the priests to sin.


    When I was still going to the Novus Ordo, my family went to a weekday Mass about two to four times a month.  Because we live in a rural area, the parish where our priest was during the week was some distance away so it was quite a drive.

    On one occasion, and this only happened once, the priest said the Novus Ordo as usual, but when it came to communion, he pretended to receive.  He clearly put the portion of host he had in his hand near his mouth and then covered it with his other hand and placed it back onto the paten.  I happen to be looking directly at him at the time and I was immediately taken aback.  Then I watched as he clearly did not actually drink from the chalice.

    I wondered greatly at this, but I never discussed this with him.  I do not know why he did not receive communion and I wondered what significance this had for what I thought at the time was the Mass.  

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    « Reply #7 on: August 20, 2015, 12:19:00 PM »
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    I have wondered about this for a while. It is my understanding that it is a mortal sin for a priest who is not in the state of grace to say Mass. Has it ever happened to anyone here that the priest on the way to Mass committed a mortal sin and because of that, had to cancel Mass because he couldn't go to confession? It has never happened at my chapel. I think it might happen because on the way to my chapel there are many immodest advertisements and many immodestly dressed women (especially in the summer time) who are all tempting the priests to sin.


    When I was still going to the Novus Ordo, my family went to a weekday Mass about two to four times a month.  Because we live in a rural area, the parish where our priest was during the week was some distance away so it was quite a drive.

    On one occasion, and this only happened once, the priest said the Novus Ordo as usual, but when it came to communion, he pretended to receive.  He clearly put the portion of host he had in his hand near his mouth and then covered it with his other hand and placed it back onto the paten.  I happen to be looking directly at him at the time and I was immediately taken aback.  Then I watched as he clearly did not actually drink from the chalice.

    I wondered greatly at this, but I never discussed this with him.  I do not know why he did not receive communion and I wondered what significance this had for what I thought at the time was the Mass.  


    I think that would invalidate a valid Mass.  I'm pretty sure that the priest has to partake.

    But I don't know about the wisdom of the topic of this whole thread.  On one hand we are supposed to look up to our priests.  We expect--I would argue rightfully expect--higher standards from them.  But they are human beings and are going to sin.  I'm concerned that this thread will disrupt the proper balance of how we are to look at our priests.  Now instead of feeling grateful for Father being able to serve several chapels scattered over a couple hundred miles and understanding that he's overworked when he occasionally has to cancel a Mass--now we'll wonder "hmmm... What has Father been doing."

    I think this thread his scandalous inasmuch as it plants the idea that anytime a priest has to cancel Mass we should wonder whether he has committed mortal sin.  Don't we have enough problems without looking cross-eyed at our priests?


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    « Reply #8 on: August 20, 2015, 01:01:19 PM »
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    I think that would invalidate a valid Mass.  I'm pretty sure that the priest has to partake.


    Traditionally, this is true.  While I now believe that the service was absolutely invalid from the start (due to lack of valid orders, lack of intention, and the fact that the Novus Ordo is nothing more than a Protestant Last Supper service), I don't know what the official word is in the Novus Ordo.  I'm not sure the Conciliar church even concerns itself with questions of validity with the Novus Ordo.

    I once wrote the archbishop on another matter and specifically asked if a particular action invalidated the Eucharist at the Mass.  The archbishop replied to my letter but he completely ignored this question.  He didn't tell me he would look into the matter of validity.  He merely commiserated with me about the "bad experience" I had at the Mass.  This was the incident that led me to depart from the Conciliar sect altogether.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 20, 2015, 01:08:05 PM »
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  • For a priest not to receive Holy Communion would be a grave defect, but it wouldn't invalidate the Mass.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 20, 2015, 04:25:08 PM »
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  • ladislaus - according to Canon Hesse, it would invalidate the mass.  
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    « Reply #11 on: August 20, 2015, 04:41:03 PM »
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  • We were always taught that to fulfill our Sunday obligation we had to be present for the Offertory, the Consecration and the priest's Communion. So it seems reasonable to suppose that, if there is no priest's Communion then we have not fulfilled our Sunday obligation, but through no fault of our own.

    Therefore it would seem reasonable to believe that it would invalidate the Mass.

    I agree with OHCA that this thread is scandalous in that it gets people wondering if a cancellation of a Holy Mass is due to the sins of the priest. The sins of the priest should not be on our minds. It is possible to sin in other ways than dirty pictures.
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    « Reply #12 on: August 20, 2015, 10:48:52 PM »
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    We were always taught that to fulfill our Sunday obligation we had to be present for the Offertory, the Consecration and the priest's Communion. So it seems reasonable to suppose that, if there is no priest's Communion then we have not fulfilled our Sunday obligation, but through no fault of our own.

    Therefore it would seem reasonable to believe that it would invalidate the Mass.

    I agree with OHCA that this thread is scandalous in that it gets people wondering if a cancellation of a Holy Mass is due to the sins of the priest. The sins of the priest should not be on our minds. It is possible to sin in other ways than dirty pictures.

    During the Soviet era there was a cancellation of teh Christmas mass in Byelorussia. The cancellation was due to the illness of the priest. Many people were in tears when they came to mass and learned of this cancellation.
    I did not understand it until it happened to me what a great sadness it is to go to mass and find out that is had been cancelled. I don't wish this sorrow on anyone.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 20, 2015, 11:13:53 PM »
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    We were always taught that to fulfill our Sunday obligation we had to be present for the Offertory, the Consecration and the priest's Communion. .

    You also have to be there for the Gospel.
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    « Reply #14 on: August 21, 2015, 12:58:20 AM »
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    We were always taught that to fulfill our Sunday obligation we had to be present for the Offertory, the Consecration and the priest's Communion. .

    You also have to be there for the Gospel.


    Before Vatican II, moral theologians and canonists would talk about the three principal parts of Mass as the:
    Offertory
    Consecration, and
    the priest's Communion.
    If you missed any one of those parts, they wrote, you would not have fulfilled the obligation of hearing Mass.

    This is a minimalist approach, of course, but there was no mention of the Gospel. Of course one should be there early and leave late.
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