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Offline Gwaredd Thomas

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Re: Have lost the Faith...
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2017, 06:43:09 PM »
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  • Good to know if I ever get to be confirmed.

    Thanks for the info.
    You welcome mate! Best wishes as you move along. I'm assuming you've been in the mid-east while serving in the military fighting wars for the Jooz. It must have been tough. I've seen the stats on returning vets: the rate of homelessness and ѕυιcιdєs; what a tragedy. Oh, incidentally, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that you're considered a terrorist by Janet Napolitano as are all returning vets. Yeah, welcome home to the land of the free. 🤪
    Dduw bendithia chi! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿


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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #31 on: November 02, 2017, 06:50:58 PM »
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  • You welcome mate! Best wishes as you move along. I'm assuming you've been in the mid-east while serving in the military fighting wars for the Jooz. It must have been tough. I've seen the stats on returning vets: the rate of homelessness and ѕυιcιdєs; what a tragedy. Oh, incidentally, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that you're considered a terrorist by Janet Napolitano as are all returning vets. Yeah, welcome home to the land of the free. 🤪
    It is what it is. 

    As far as being "homeless" is concerned, I prefer it. A lot of it is a state of mind. 

    I'd be a Eremite, Cenobite, Mendicant, Itinerant and/or Priest if I could, something along those lines. 

    This world is weaponized distraction and diversion; I'd say that I hate it, but were that true then it wouldn't be, because I'd pay it no mind at all.

    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #32 on: November 02, 2017, 07:10:47 PM »
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  • So you see something on TV or read something online about the bible being fake and you believe it?

    Did you go out in the desert and use decades of academic training to come to that conclusion?

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    « Reply #33 on: November 02, 2017, 07:17:45 PM »
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  • So you see something on TV or read something online about the bible being fake and you believe it?

    Did you go out in the desert and use decades of academic training to come to that conclusion?
    Easy dude; I'm not saying that you should never kick a man when he's down, especially if you'd cause to put him there in the first place, but you'd better be sure you've sorted friend from foe.

    If he's been scuffed up by the world, even if he's the one who stepped in front of it, he ain't gonna get better if you put her in reverse and back over him. 
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #34 on: November 02, 2017, 07:24:07 PM »
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  • Easy dude; I'm not saying that you should never kick a man when he's down, especially if you'd cause to put him there in the first place, but you'd better be sure you've sorted friend from foe.

    If he's been scuffed up by the world, even if he's the one who stepped in front of it, he ain't gonna get better if you put her in reverse and back over him.
    Thank mate! It's much appreciated.
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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #35 on: November 02, 2017, 07:28:40 PM »
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  • Thank mate! It's much appreciated.
    Thank God, it's a duty near as I can tell, but you're welcome. 
    I've been the beat down guy; it's gives you perspective, which might give you meaning in your situation, if not now.

     :cheers:
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #36 on: November 02, 2017, 08:35:49 PM »
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  • With regards to the Old Testament, our interpretations of ancient history are based on so much guesswork that it's inevitable that a lot of things in scripture will become unclear over time. For starters, Egyptian chronology is an absolute mess (with many discrepancies between historical and archaeological evidence) and it's used to calibrate the timeline of every other ancient civilization. Even without the sacred texts themselves being corrupted (which is possible as far as the purely historical aspects are concerned), so many things can only make sense if placed in their proper context - a context which for the most part we are no longer privy to - and may even seem absurd outside of it.
    "There's a mix of passion and shortsightedness in me, even when I'm positive that I'm doing my very best to see things for what they are, that warns me that I'll never know for sure. Undoubtedly I must follow the truth I can see, I have no choice and I must live on; but that is for me only, not to impose on others." - Fr. Leonardo Castellani

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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #37 on: November 02, 2017, 11:45:41 PM »
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  • With regards to the Old Testament, our interpretations of ancient history are based on so much guesswork that it's inevitable that a lot of things in scripture will become unclear over time. For starters, Egyptian chronology is an absolute mess (with many discrepancies between historical and archaeological evidence) and it's used to calibrate the timeline of every other ancient civilization. Even without the sacred texts themselves being corrupted (which is possible as far as the purely historical aspects are concerned), so many things can only make sense if placed in their proper context - a context which for the most part we are no longer privy to - and may even seem absurd outside of it.
    Your comments are very intriguing since Christians’ who run to the defense of the Judaic Torah as a ‘holy book’ wherein the story of Abraham and Sarah as related within the book of Genesis is indeed one in which Abraham has prostituted Sarah to Pharaoh, knowing all the while what a position such as this entails, in order that he be ‘well treated’ in exactly the same manner as takes place today with any pimp. Abraham, of course, was rewarded by Pharaoh with ‘sheep, oxen, asses, male and female slaves, and camels’.

    And the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Isaac is seen engaging in the very same behavior with his own wife, Rebecca, i.e. attempting to sell her into prostitution through the mechanism of coercing her into lying to the men of Gerar that she is Isaac’s ‘sister’ rather than his wife, intimating that she is thus unmarried and available for whoever has his sights set on her.

    The “esteemed” Abraham and Isaac are nothing but typical Jєωs who’ll do anything to save their own skin much like the Judiacs of today.

    Therefore, should anyone wonder where my doubts about the Faith come from the paragraphs above should be self-explanatory. I read this rubbish which the Church claims is "inspired" and it rather knocks one's belief into a cocked hat.

    Having said that, what's worse is that Paul, James and indeed Christ himself make many references to old Abe. Talk about confusion.

    I happy to hear that I'm not the only one who finds fault with some of these texts.

    Finally, where does that leave us who wander in the wilderness?

    Thank you for your valuable insights.
    Dduw bendithia chi! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿


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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #38 on: November 02, 2017, 11:50:58 PM »
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  • Thank God, it's a duty near as I can tell, but you're welcome.
    I've been the beat down guy; it's gives you perspective, which might give you meaning in your situation, if not now.

     :cheers:
    As we are wont to say, you're a swell chap. And, cheers to you as well.
    :cheers:
    Incidentally, what does Reputation: +14/-0 mean? Does it mean if one gets too many negatives they get the proverbial boot? 😳
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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #39 on: November 03, 2017, 02:48:28 AM »
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  • Incidentally, what does Reputation: +14/-0 mean? Does it mean if one gets too many negatives they get the proverbial boot? 😳
    I don't think so man; if that were true, my proverbial pants would be my proverbial socks, if you catch my meaning.

    In brief, if you'll pardon, what I think means is that high school ends at the Eschaton.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #40 on: November 03, 2017, 07:13:55 AM »
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  • I don't think so man; if that were true, my proverbial pants would be my proverbial socks, if you catch my meaning.

    In brief, if you'll pardon, what I think means is that high school ends at the Eschaton.
    That being the case, for me at least, it's going to be "a long and winding road",..."if you catch my meaning". Eschaton. Good word. You've taught me something as I've never heard that before. Thanx.

    🤔 Hm...
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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #41 on: November 03, 2017, 08:41:38 AM »
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  • That being the case, for me at least, it's going to be "a long and winding road",..."if you catch my meaning". Eschaton. Good word. You've taught me something as I've never heard that before. Thanx.

    🤔 Hm...
    Gwaredd, it is the voice of this world which has broken through and is stealing your Faith.  It will not be driven away and controlled easily once it has a hold upon you and has placed doubt in your mind. It will be back driven back a little at a time. This is not a quick or easy process but many prayers will be with you to assist.
    You came to this point by learning things which made room for what seems to strike at the root of your beliefs, but from experience, I can tell you that if you go beyond this, there is other knowlege and reason by which the present problem will be remedied and Faith restored. A higher knowlwedge must be sought in temporal matters but more importantly, in the realm of the Spirit where falsehood and altered truth find no easy home.
    The world uses carnal things to undermine the Spirit. That is its way.  One must learn to use the Spirit to repulse these attacks. That is God's way. Our destiny and all our strength lies in the unseen.
    Much of what is presented to us as fact is usually not but is placed before us in such a way as seem like inescapable conclusions. They are not, but only appear to be. When you reach a further point in seeking the truth and can look behind to this time, and it will be clear to you that certain fingers were upon the scales at various points which untethered your trust and belief and that doing this is always the purpose.
    Continue to seek out the Truth with sound spiritual guidance and trust in the goodness which is everpresent about us. 
    God Bless you and Our Mother help you.

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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #42 on: November 03, 2017, 09:00:27 AM »
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  • Gwaredd, it is the voice of this world which has broken through and is stealing your Faith.  It will not be driven away and controlled easily once it has a hold upon you and has placed doubt in your mind. It will be back driven back a little at a time. This is not a quick or easy process but many prayers will be with you to assist.
    You came to this point by learning things which made room for what seems to strike at the root of your beliefs, but from experience, I can tell you that if you go beyond this, there is other knowlege and reason by which the present problem will be remedied and Faith restored. A higher knowlwedge must be sought in temporal matters but more importantly, in the realm of the Spirit where falsehood and altered truth find no easy home.
    The world uses carnal things to undermine the Spirit. That is its way.  One must learn to use the Spirit to repulse these attacks. That is God's way. Our destiny and all our strength lies in the unseen.
    Much of what is presented to us as fact is usually not but is placed before us in such a way as seem like inescapable conclusions. They are not, but only appear to be. When you reach a further point in seeking the truth and can look behind to this time, and it will be clear to you that certain fingers were upon the scales at various points which untethered your trust and belief and that doing this is always the purpose.
    Continue to seek out the Truth with sound spiritual guidance and trust in the goodness which is everpresent about us.
    God Bless you and Our Mother help you.
    Well stated. Much of my lack of Faith comes from cruising the internet and reading various blogs. Fortunately, in reading the words from you and others, things have become clearer. Thus, I am returning to Mass this Sunday.

    Thank you for your wise comments.

    Cheers!
    Dduw bendithia chi! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #43 on: November 03, 2017, 09:18:11 AM »
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  • Your comments are very intriguing since Christians’ who run to the defense of the Judaic Torah as a ‘holy book’ wherein the story of Abraham and Sarah as related within the book of Genesis is indeed one in which Abraham has prostituted Sarah to Pharaoh, knowing all the while what a position such as this entails, in order that he be ‘well treated’ in exactly the same manner as takes place today with any pimp. Abraham, of course, was rewarded by Pharaoh with ‘sheep, oxen, asses, male and female slaves, and camels’.

    And the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Isaac is seen engaging in the very same behavior with his own wife, Rebecca, i.e. attempting to sell her into prostitution through the mechanism of coercing her into lying to the men of Gerar that she is Isaac’s ‘sister’ rather than his wife, intimating that she is thus unmarried and available for whoever has his sights set on her.

    The “esteemed” Abraham and Isaac are nothing but typical Jєωs who’ll do anything to save their own skin much like the Judiacs of today.

    Therefore, should anyone wonder where my doubts about the Faith come from the paragraphs above should be self-explanatory. I read this rubbish which the Church claims is "inspired" and it rather knocks one's belief into a cocked hat.


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    Re: Have lost the Faith...
    « Reply #44 on: November 03, 2017, 12:44:40 PM »
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  • Sorry to hear of your plight. I find your candidness to be admirable, and I'm glad you stopped in here. 

    I converted in 2011, and at that time I was real naive, but eager to learn. Somehow I got into a bunch of articles contending that the Church had no way of knowing the actual day of Christs birth- as in Christmas was just some arbitrarily assigned date. It really bummed me out, and completely ruined my Christmas, but it stretched further than that. It really messed with my interior life and sewed seeds of doubt and skepticism in my mind about the Church. Praise God I got straightened out relatively quickly. Anyway, I decided that some, if not most subjects were too lofty for me to have a care about at that time and instead focused on the very basics of living a devout Catholic life according to my state in life under direction of a priest. I'm still doing that, in fact, and seem to be doing alright with it. 

    Anyway, good to have you. God Bless!
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
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