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French article on the two Lucys
« on: October 14, 2019, 06:37:01 PM »
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  • MACHINE TRANSLATION OF https://fidecatholica.wordpress.com/2017/05/14/fatima-2017-a-propos-du-dernier-message-connu-de-soeur-lucie-en-1957-et-du-3e-secret-de-fatima/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    [Prophecies] Vatican 2, the third secret of Fatima and the truth about Sister Lucy
    Guillaume Von Hazel



    it will be terrible. Heavenly punishment is imminent. Father, what is still missing for [that the third secret of Fatima be revealed in 1960] [as the Most Blessed Virgin ordained to Lucy and as Pope Pius XII wished to do, and] will he arrive then? It will be really sad for everyone, not at all rejoicing if the world does not pray and do not do penance. I can not give other details since it is still a secret. This is the third part of the message of Our Lady which will remain secret until that date of 1960. [...] my mission is not to indicate to the world the material punishments that will certainly happen if the world does not pray and do not do penance. No. My mission is to show everyone the imminent danger of losing our soul forever if we remain stubborn in sin. Now it is necessary that each one of us begins his own reform himself; he must save not only his soul, but also all the souls that God has placed in his way. The demon is engaged in a decisive battle with the Virgin and a decisive battle is a final battle where we will know which side is the victory, which side is the defeat.

    So, from now on: either we are with God, or we are with the devil; there is no middle ground. God gives two last remedies to the world; the Holy Rosary and devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. And these being the last two remedies, it means that they are the last, that there will not be others. The third reason is this: in the plans of Divine Providence, God never punishes the world before having used all possible remedies. Thus, when He sees how the world turns away, as we say in our awkward words, not without fear, He offers us the last means of salvation, His Most Holy Mother. Not without fear, for if you despise and repulse these last recourse, we will have no more forgiveness from Heaven, because we committed this sin that the Gospel calls sin against the Holy Spirit. This sin consists in openly rejecting, with full knowledge and consent, the salvation He offers. Let us remember that Jesus Christ is a very good Son and that He does not allow us to offend and despise His Most Holy Mother. We have seen throughout the history of the Church the evident witness of those punishments that fell on those who attacked the honor of His Most Holy Mother and how Our Lord Jesus Christ has always defended the honor of His Mother. The two ways to save the world are prayer and sacrifice.

    My father, the Most Blessed Virgin, in these last times that we live, has given new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary. In such a way that there is no problem, no matter how difficult, temporal or especially spiritual, or to the life of peoples and nations, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary. With the Holy Rosary, we will save ourselves, sanctify ourselves, comfort our Lord, and obtain the salvation of many souls. Finally, the devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, our Most Holy Mother, considering it as the seat of clemency, kindness and forgiveness, and as the sure door to enter Heaven.

    Sister Lucia dos Santos' last known interview with Father Augustin Fuentes, December 26, 1957.

    Comment: This is an excerpt from the last known statement of Sister Lucia Dos Santos of Fatima. Father Augustin Fuentes was the postulator leader for the beatification causes of Francisco and Jacintha, the other two little seers of 1917. Returned to Mexico, Father Fuentes gave a lecture on May 22, 1958 to expose what Sister Lucy had revealed to him. This conference had a huge international impact and was relayed in major Western dailies. However, a series of serious and mysterious events, obviously related to the imminent spread of the Secret, as well as the growing popularity of Our Lady of Fatima (which was until then still relatively unknown), will be played immediately after the death of Pius XII, last Catholic pope, and the election of John XXIII, who will be the great architect of the Vatican 2 revolution.



    Father Augustin Fuentes

    On July 2, 1959, when Pope Pius XII had been dead for nine months and John XXIII and the modernists had taken control of the Vatican, the Diocese of Coimbra in Spain, where Sister Lucy was then, published an official statement in Father Fuentes had accused him of lying and exaggerating Sister Lucia's comments. In this letter, the authorities of this diocese affirmed:


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    R.P. Augustin Fuentes, postulator of the cause of beatification of the seers of Fatima ... visited Sister Lucy in the Carmel of Coimbra and spoke with her exclusively about the process in question. But returned to Mexico ... this priest has allowed himself to make sensational statements, apocalyptic, eschatological and prophetic that he claims to have heard from the very mouth of Sister Lucy. Given the seriousness of such statements, the Diocesan Curia of Coimbra believed that it was his duty to order a rigorous inquiry into the authenticity of such information and about the things that pertain to Sister Lucy, the Diocesan Curia of Coimbra makes public the Lucie's words, in response to questions put to her by right. - Official Communiqué of the Diocese of Coimbra, July 2, 1959

    To this communiqué is added a so-called retraction of Sister Lucia, written in the typewriter, and not in manuscript:


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    Father Fuentes spoke with me as postulator of the cause of beatification of the servants of God, Jacinta and Francis Marto. We have only dealt with things that concern this subject. For the rest, to which he refers, it is neither exact nor true. What I deplore because I do not understand what good can be done to souls with things that are not based on God who is the truth. I know nothing, and consequently I could say nothing about such punishments that were falsely attributed to me.


    The communiqué of the diocese of Coimbra ends as follows:


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    The Diocesan Curia of Coimbra is empowered to declare that Sister Lucia having said so far what she thought she should say about Fatima, and that it could be found in the books published on Fatima, said nothing new and accordingly, has not authorized anyone to publish, at least since February 1955, anything new that can be attributed to him about Fatima.


    Following these events of 1959, the brave Father Fuentes was strangely removed from his position as postulator for the beatification causes of Jacintha and Francisco, despite the support he received from Archbishop Manuel Pio Lopez and Cardinal José Garibi. y Rivera. It was not until 19 March 1961 that the new authorities in the Vatican appointed Father Louis Kondor, a priest with liberal tendencies, to officiate in Communist Hungary.



    It should also be known that Bishop José Alvès Da Silva of Fatima, one of the few friends who remained with Sister Lucy in the late 1950s and who had played a huge role with her, died during the year 1957. It was he who had encouraged Sister Lucy to complete the writing of the 3rd secret in order to make it known to the Apostolic See.



    It must also be known that Pope Pius XII was marked throughout his life by the Blessed Virgin Mary, to whom he has constantly shown a deep devotion. Indeed, Eugenio Pacelli was consecrated bishop on May 13, 1917, in the day and hour of the first appearance of Our Lady of Fatima. In addition, on August 22, 1944, he proclaimed the institution of the feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. In 1952 he consecrated the people of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by the letter Sacro Vergente Anno, in accordance with the requests of the Blessed Virgin to the little children of Fatima.



    In addition, Pope Pius XII witnessed four rehearsals of the miracle of the Fatima Sun between the end of October and the beginning of November 1950 while he was in Rome, in the Vatican Gardens. In the same year, at the same period, Pius XII proclaimed the dogma of the Assumption of Mary on October 30, 1950.



    It is admitted that Pope Pius XII, wanted to wait until 1960 to open the secret, in accordance with the requests of the Blessed Virgin, but he died, possibly of chemical poisoning, on October 9, 1958. As for Sister Lucy, it does not make any difference. doubt that it disappeared, died or was killed by enemies of the Church between January 1958 and June 1959, when the diocese of Coimbra, as we have seen above, has obviously begun to publish stories falsely attributed to Sister Lucy. Thus, from the end of 1959 and the beginning of the following year, Sister Lucia's relatives noticed that it was becoming more and more difficult to obtain news from her and even more to obtain permission. to see her.


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    In his note of July 2, 1959, as we have seen, the Episcopal Curia declared, authoritatively, that "Sister Lucy has nothing more to say about Fatima"! As a result, it became more and more difficult to meet her, and for years no one published any writing from her pen. His testimony became embarrassing. In 1962, Maria de Freitas remarks that "more and more visits to Sister Lucy are forbidden; more and more, it becomes invisible. - F. Michel, The whole truth about Fatima, T. 3, p. 506 "



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    On October 11, 1990, Sister Lucy's sister, Sister Carolina, told Father Gruner that she had visited Sister Lucy at Carmel Coimbra for more than 40 years and that she had never been able to speak alone to herself. with his sister in the same room. They were still separated by the gate and many other nuns of the convent were present at all visits - Francis Alban, The Fatima Priest, Introduction


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    The introduction of fake Sister Lucy

    Thus, it is clear that it was at this period, between 1957 and 1960, that the enemies of the Church set up the false Sister Lucy who subsequently became an ardent supporter of the Vatican II revolution and its antipopes . Indeed, here is a photograph showing the real Sister Lucy in 1945 at the age of 38:



    And another showing the fake Sister Lucy in 1967, allegedly 60 years old:



    The imposture appears more clearly on the careful examination of the face of the real Sister Lucy, who is marked by dimples on the cheeks, as well as a smile in U when she smiles:



    While the fake Sister Lucy after 1959, if she vaguely resembles the true Sister Lucy by the general shape of the face, shows no mark of dimples and when she smiles, her smile forms an inverted U:



    Regarding the shape of Sister Lucy's face, it is also clear here that the true Sister Lucy had a flat and elongated face, while the fake Sister Lucy had a much more prominent chin:



    Finally, how to explain that the true Sister Lucy was marked by an irregular dentition, as evidenced by William T. Walsh in Our Lady of Fatima, page 25: "Her teeth, irregular, highlighted her upper lip, and her lower lip was thick and heavy ... "



    While the fake Sister Lucy during her first public release in Fatima in 1967 with the antipope Paul VI, addresses an absolutely regular dentition. But that's not all: the photograph below is actually a montage.



    Here is the original photograph:



    Like this one:



    This was demonstrated by the scientific inquiry group created in 2017 by Dr. Peter Chojnowski, a traditionalist Catholic. You can read here an exciting file written by himself, on these amazing photographic montages, accompanied by the original sources in which these schemes appear for the first time.



    These images of the pseudo-Sister Lucy accompanied by the pseudopope Paul VI have been around the world and are known to all the devotees of Fatima. However, it is irrefutably about photomontages. This image was published for the first time in the magazine 'Stalla', published by the Congregação das Irmãs Reparadoras of Nossa Senhora de Fátima, founded in 1949 by Father Manuel Nunes Formigão, an authentic Fatimist. This congregation was totally under the control of the modernist sect after its death in 1958 and after Vatican Council 2. The original can be viewed here.

    With his organization, The Sister Lucy Truth Project, Dr. Chojnowski engaged a battery of independent scientific experts to determine with certainty, using various modern scientific technologies, that the "Sister Lucy" known since the late 1960s was not the same person as the real Sister Lucy, that is the seer of Fatima. The results of this survey, which lasted more than two years, are final. There has been a substitution of people and identity theft.

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    The false 3rd secret of Fatima and the modernist sect

    On February 8, 1960, against all odds, the authorities of the Modernist sect now installed in the Vatican inform the world that the third secret of Fatima will not be revealed. On September 26, 1959, John XXIII published his encyclical Grata Recordatio, in which he introduced the great apostate revolution of Vatican II:

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    Our thoughts turn on the territories of this Earth; We see the whole of humanity wanting a better future; We see the awakening of a mysterious force, and this makes us hope that man will be drawn by a right conscience and a sense of duty to advance the true interests of human society.


    In May 1994 - 77 years after the Blessed Virgin appeared to the three children of Fatima, father Raymond Arnette, defender of the traditional Latin rite, listened to a CD entitled Mysterium Fidei, with French lyrics and sung by French choirs. As he listened devoutly, the music suddenly declined in the background and a clear voice, perceived normally and not as a source of inner inspiration, was heard by the priest:

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    The church will bleed with all its wounds.

    Then there was this message:

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    There will be a wicked, planned and prepared council that will change the face of the Church. Many will lose faith. Confusion will reign everywhere. The sheep will look in vain for their shepherds. A schism will tear the holy tunic of My Son apart. It will be the end of time, predicted in the Holy Scriptures and recalled by me in many places. The abominable abomination will reach its climax and bring the punishment announced to La Salette. The arm of my Son, which I can no longer restrain, will punish this poor world that has to expiate its crimes. We will only talk about wars and revolutions. The elements of nature will be unleashed and will cause anxiety, even among the best (the most courageous). The Church will bleed with all its wounds. Blessed are those who persevere and seek refuge in My Heart, for in the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph.

    After this message, Father Arnette heard only one sentence:

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     This is the Third Secret of Fatima.

    Of course, we have no way of verifying the testimony of Father Raymond Arnette, a character whose unusual career path, from espionage in the Gestapo on behalf of the Parisian resistance, to the OAS of the 1960s, deserves a more thorough investigation and in any case, leads to the utmost caution. Be that as it may, the content of this message, although presenting some obvious problems (the Tunic of the Lord can not be torn), seems much more coherent and in adequacy with the messages of Notre Dame between the mid-nineteenth century and 1917, that the so-called 3rd secret of Fatima that the Vatican 2 sect revealed to the world in June 2000, more than forty years after the refusal of John XXIII in 1960.

    On June 26, 2000, at the request of Antipope John Paul II, the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith", presided over by "Cardinal" Ratzinger, disclosed a letter presented as the third secret of Fatima . Even the traditionalists and other devotees of Fatima in union with the Vatican sect 2 hold this letter for a gross fake, because of the inconsistencies that appear there.

    present on this occasion and that even some devotees of Fatima who adhere to the thesis that Sister Lucy has not been the subject of substitution and identity theft , were forced to admit that the behavior of the latter [the fake Sister Lucy] was extremely strange:

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    In fact, his exuberance in Fatima in 2000 was almost disturbing. It is certain that the cause of his brilliant happiness, and his new grace towards John Paul, resulted from the beatification of his two cousins. And yet, she remained in this state of exuberance, even listening to the version of the Third Secret by Cardinal Sodano, going so far as to make big awkward gestures towards the crowd. - Mark Fellows, Fatima in Twilight, page 327

    But the fake Sister Lucy has validated not only all the heretical teachings of the Vatican II sect, but moreover, she has denied, denied and provided false testimony about the life of the real Sister Lucy, about messages from Fatima and the 3rd secret in particular. Thus, in the famous 1992 interview "Two Hours with Sister Lucy" conducted by "Cardinal" Padiyara, by Francis Michaelappa, by "father" Francisco Pacheco and by Carlos Evaristo, a journalist present as a translator, the fake Sister Lucie provided the following answers, in total contradiction with all the statements made by Sister Lucy in the 1940s and 1950s to bishop Da Silva or Father Fuentes:

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    Padiyara: Was the consecration [of Russia] accomplished by John Paul II on March 25, 1984?
    Sister Lucy: Yes, Yes, Yes.
    Carlos Evaristo: So this consecration has since been accepted by Our Lady?
    Sister Lucia: Yes.
    Carlos: Our Lady is happy and accepted it?
    Sister Lucia: Yes.
    Padiyara: Do God and Our Lady always want the Church to reveal the Third Secret?
    Sister Lucia: The Third Secret is not meant to be revealed. It was only intended for the Pope and the direct hierarchy of the Church.
    Carlos: But did not Our Lady say that it had to be revealed to the public in 1960, at the latest?
    Sister Lucy: Our Lady never said that. Our Lady said it was for the Pope.
    Pacheco: Is the Third Secret related to the Second Vatican Council?
    Sister Lucy: I can not say.
    Carlos: Can the Pope reveal the Third Secret?
    Sister Lucia: The Pope can reveal it if he wants to, but I advise him not to do it. If he chooses to do so, I advise him to be very careful. He must be careful.

    We can also read other false statements of the false Sister Lucia validating the falsification of the message of Fatima by the sect Vatican 2. In particular, we can see that this false Sister Lucia says that the consecration of Russia was made in 1984 by the pseudopodium John Paul II, when in fact Pope Pius XII had already performed this consecration long before. Moreover, the so-called consecration of Russia made by John Paul II in March 1984 did not even mention Russia by name:

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    Turning to the problem of the third part of the Secret of Fatima, she ["Sr. Lucie "] affirmed that she had read attentively and meditated the booklet published by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and confirms all that is written there. To whom is taken by the doubt that something has been hidden from the "Third Secret", she answers: "Everything has been published, there is nothing secret about it." To whom speaks and writes about new revelations, she says, "Nothing is true in there. If I had new revelations, I would not have told anyone, but I would tell them directly to the Holy Father! Sister Lucy was asked: "What do you say about the persistent assertions of Father Gruner who is collecting signatures for the pope to finally make the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, which has never been done"? Sister Lucy responds: "The Carmel community rejected the forms for collecting signatures. I have already said that the consecration desired by Our Lady was made in 1984 and that it was accepted by Heaven. - Vatican Information Service, December 20, 2001


    The fake Sister Lucy kissing the hand after receiving "communion" by antipope John Paul II.
    n a recent article, Dr. Chojnowski went into detail about the October 11, 1994, interview between fake Sister Lucy and journalist Carlos Evaristo. Dr. Chojnowski sums up the manifestly problematic claims of this interview, proving that the false Sister Lucy is indeed an usurper and was probably an active agent of the modernist sect, whose task was to completely falsify the message of Fatima:
    1 / "Sister Lucy" advises John Paul II not to reveal the 3rd secret, whereas Notre Dame had explicitly made the request for 1960.
    2 / The consecration of Russia was made on 25 March 1984 by John Paul II and miraculously avoided a nuclear war. This is doubly false, because John Paul II did not name Russia in this "consecration" and moreover, Pope Pius XII had already consecrated Russia to the immaculate heart of Mary in 1952.
    3 / "Sister Lucy" claims that the Blessed Virgin never said that the pope should explicitly name Russia for this consecration and that the promised peace concerning wars and persecutions that the errors of communist atheism caused in the world .
    4 / "Sister Lucy" insists in this interview to say that the message of Fatima has been misinterpreted over the years.
    5 / "Sister Lucy" states that Gorbachev was an instrument of God in the process of conversion of Russia.
    6 / "Sister Lucy" states that the consecration made by Pius XII in 1952 was incomplete because of a "lack of union of bishops" in this process.
    7 / "Sister Lucy" contradicts herself by affirming that the "consecration" of John Paul II in 1984 was valid, even though not all the bishops were united.
    8 / "Sister Lucy" states that the Second World War was an atheistic war, a war led by the Devil and directed against the Jєωs who continue, according to her, to be the chosen people of God.
    9 / "Sister Lucy" states that the conversion of Russia took place.
    10 / "Sister Lucy" asserts that the Blessed Virgin Mary spoke not of a conversion of Russia to Catholicism, but of a conversion to "peace" and human rights.
    11 / "Sister Lucy" affirms that the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary has already taken place "and that it began when, according to her, Our Lady" saved the life of Pope John Paul II in Saint Peter's Square May 13, 1981. Still according to her, the triumph of the Immaculate Heart is still ongoing, the sensible peace coming from this triumph is the end of the spread of communist atheism of Soviet Russia, but this peace does not mean that other world wars will not take place.
    12 / According to "Sister Lucy", the destruction of nations is not a destruction by war or by any physical means.
    13 / According to "Sister Lucy", the third secret was only intended for the pope. She declares herself opposed to her public revelation.
    14 / Carlos Evaristo, during his testimony in 1998, insists that according to what "Sister Lucy" told her, "Our Lady never said that the Secret was to be revealed in 1960".
    15 / According to "Sister Lucy", the meaning of the beginning of the 3rd secret is that the dogma of the Immaculate Conception would always be defended by the Portuguese.
    16 / "Sister Lucy" says that what she wants above all to say to the world (at the time of her interview) is that "Whoever is not with Pope John Paul II is not with God". As a reminder, we are here about seven years after the abomination of the Assisi meeting.
    17 / According to "Sister Lucy", the "consecration" of Russia by John Paul II allowed the establishment of a regime that promotes religious freedom and under which people can exercise their freedom of conscience, regardless they embrace Catholicism or not.
    18 / "Sister Lucy" says that the conversion of Russia is not a conversion to Catholicism, but the freedom to choose between good and evil.

    The false sister Lucy and the journalist Carlos Evaristo.
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    Re: French article on the two Lucys
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  • Sr Lucia, born 1907, joined to Srs. of St Dorothy, and was a professed Dorothean nun until 1948. Then she, allegedly, became a discalced Carmelite in 1948, aged 41, after being released from her vows as a Dorothean by Pope Pius XII, up until her supposed death in 2005.

    What is the time frame for her death?

    Besides, it is most unfitting and un-Carmel-like to appear in such public photgraphs. Carmelites are supposed to be hidden from the world, but the "powers" put her out front when it suited them, for her to beak the rule.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: French article on the two Lucys
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  • …What is the time frame for her death?…
    The Sister Lucy Truth Project has a detective working on that as well as the corollary matters, the identity of the impostor and the circuмstances of the replacement.


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    Re: French article on the two Lucys
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  •  RadTrad Thomist

    Imposter Sister Lucy was a Native Portuguese Speaker.
    Posted: 13 Oct 2019 10:30 PM PDT
    Dr. Chojnowski: Sister Lucy Truth has just been informed by a Professional Linguist that the woman in this video (Sister Lucy II) has the accent of a Native Portuguese Speaker. It seems as if this woman was from Portugal. That narrows it down somewhat, no? We are trying to get a full linguistic analysis, along with a professional translation, of this video.