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Offline lefebvre_fan

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2012, 12:03:02 PM »
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    Stating that the Blessed Mother does not share in the Divinity is not Protestant. In fact, to imply otherwise is heresy. To call her the Divine Mother meaning the Mother of the Divinity is of course perfectly orthodox. The way it sounded was to imply that She shared in the Divine Nature. I'm sure that is not what was meant.


    I like how you've twisted everything around. I see what you did there.

    You know full well what I meant. I meant it was Protestant/Pharisaical to deny Our Lady that beautiful title of "Divine Mother" because you're worried that some people might misinterpret it. Either that, or you wish to pander to Protestants by saying, "Look, we don't offer Mary divine worship. See! We only use a small 'd' instead of a capital 'D'."

    I guess you would have a problem with Eastern Christians bowing to icons of saints, too.

    In any case, at least I've gotten you to come around to the truth at last, since you've finally stated:

    Quote from: Roland Deschain
    To call her the Divine Mother meaning the Mother of the Divinity is of course perfectly orthodox.


    Now no one will get the false idea that it is somehow heretical to call Our Lady "Divine Mother".
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    « Reply #16 on: November 01, 2012, 12:56:49 PM »
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    Quote from: Roland Deschain
    Stating that the Blessed Mother does not share in the Divinity is not Protestant. In fact, to imply otherwise is heresy. To call her the Divine Mother meaning the Mother of the Divinity is of course perfectly orthodox. The way it sounded was to imply that She shared in the Divine Nature. I'm sure that is not what was meant.


    I like how you've twisted everything around. I see what you did there.

    You know full well what I meant. I meant it was Protestant/Pharisaical to deny Our Lady that beautiful title of "Divine Mother" because you're worried that some people might misinterpret it. Either that, or you wish to pander to Protestants by saying, "Look, we don't offer Mary divine worship. See! We only use a small 'd' instead of a capital 'D'."

    I guess you would have a problem with Eastern Christians bowing to icons of saints, too.

    In any case, at least I've gotten you to come around to the truth at last, since you've finally stated:

    Quote from: Roland Deschain
    To call her the Divine Mother meaning the Mother of the Divinity is of course perfectly orthodox.


    Now no one will get the false idea that it is somehow heretical to call Our Lady "Divine Mother".


    and you're a mind reader.....a man/woman of many talents I see.

    ....and I don't see how reverencing icons has anything to do with this but...ok.

    I suppose it was a matter of semantics. I don't think we have a real disagreement here. You can now unbend yourself back into shape.

    Good day.


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    « Reply #17 on: November 01, 2012, 01:51:52 PM »
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    I suppose it was a matter of semantics.


    No, it was a matter of you taking issue with one of the many beautiful titles bestowed upon Our Lady by the Church, and me correcting you, lest you lead others astray.

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    Good day.


    Good day, indeed.
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    « Reply #18 on: November 01, 2012, 02:11:50 PM »
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  • Hmm, OK, now that I look back, I guess I was being rather accusative. Maybe I am a bit touchy today.

    I'm sorry. Can you forgive me, Roland?

    Kiss?  :jester:
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    « Reply #19 on: November 01, 2012, 06:56:26 PM »
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  • The word divine here is adjectival, divine meaning "of God"; therefore Divine Mother = Mother of God. I hope you're not arguing with that!
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    « Reply #20 on: November 04, 2012, 03:19:55 PM »
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    Hmm, OK, now that I look back, I guess I was being rather accusative. Maybe I am a bit touchy today.

    I'm sorry. Can you forgive me, Roland?

    Kiss?  :jester:


    Nothing to forgive. God bless.

    As for the kiss....... :boxer:

    How about just a  :cheers:

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    « Reply #21 on: November 04, 2012, 04:38:15 PM »
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    Hmm, OK, now that I look back, I guess I was being rather accusative. Maybe I am a bit touchy today.

    I'm sorry. Can you forgive me, Roland?

    Kiss?  :jester:


    Nothing to forgive. God bless.

    As for the kiss....... :boxer:

    How about just a  :cheers:


    Sounds good, but it'll have to be gluten-free beer for me (if you can even call it beer). :alcohol:
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    « Reply #22 on: November 06, 2012, 08:29:23 AM »
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    When I saw this yesterday I thought there is not another stone upon a stone. 110 homes burned to the ground as FDNY could not get near enough to fight this fire due to 4 to 6 feet of standing water.....yet the grotto and statue of HIS DIVINE MOTHER is left in tact.  It is as if Our Dear Lord is saying "Can you hear ME now?".

    Repent, heed HIS Divine Mother. Ave Maria!


    Are you saying that Mary is divine?  That is clearly heresy if you are.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #23 on: November 06, 2012, 01:37:01 PM »
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    When I saw this yesterday I thought there is not another stone upon a stone. 110 homes burned to the ground as FDNY could not get near enough to fight this fire due to 4 to 6 feet of standing water.....yet the grotto and statue of HIS DIVINE MOTHER is left in tact.  It is as if Our Dear Lord is saying "Can you hear ME now?".

    Repent, heed HIS Divine Mother. Ave Maria!


    Are you saying that Mary is divine?  That is clearly heresy if you are.


    Oh boy, here we go again! :facepalm:
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    « Reply #24 on: November 06, 2012, 01:40:19 PM »
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  • A bit off topic, but the subject line fits:


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    « Reply #25 on: November 06, 2012, 07:47:51 PM »
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    When I saw this yesterday I thought there is not another stone upon a stone. 110 homes burned to the ground as FDNY could not get near enough to fight this fire due to 4 to 6 feet of standing water.....yet the grotto and statue of HIS DIVINE MOTHER is left in tact.  It is as if Our Dear Lord is saying "Can you hear ME now?".

    Repent, heed HIS Divine Mother. Ave Maria!


    Are you saying that Mary is divine?  That is clearly heresy if you are.


    Oh boy, here we go again! :facepalm:


    Here we go where?  Maybe I missed something, But the Theotokos is NOT divine.  How is that even debatable?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #26 on: November 06, 2012, 07:58:10 PM »
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  • True Devotion to Mary, St. Louis De Montfort, 1941, Preliminary Remarks, pg. 5:

    ". . . the word divine may be used without attributing the nature of divinity to the person or thing thus qualified. We speak of our own prayers, whether addressed to God or to His Saints, as a divine service. The Psalmist speaks of us all as being gods and sons of the Most High; and yet no one takes offense, because the sense given to the words uttered is understood. Mary may be called divine because divinely chosen for the divine office of Mother" of a divine Person, Jesus Christ ( Cardinal Vaughan, preface to the English edition of True Devotion).

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    « Reply #27 on: November 07, 2012, 12:44:53 AM »
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    True Devotion to Mary, St. Louis De Montfort, 1941, Preliminary Remarks, pg. 5:

    ". . . the word divine may be used without attributing the nature of divinity to the person or thing thus qualified. We speak of our own prayers, whether addressed to God or to His Saints, as a divine service. The Psalmist speaks of us all as being gods and sons of the Most High; and yet no one takes offense, because the sense given to the words uttered is understood. Mary may be called divine because divinely chosen for the divine office of Mother" of a divine Person, Jesus Christ ( Cardinal Vaughan, preface to the English edition of True Devotion).





    GOOD ANSWER!


    Just go to any Orthodox Church and ask questions about the divine
    maternity of the Mother of God, and see how eager everyone is to
    have a few words with you.  The Feast of the Divine Maternity of
    Mary was a permanent fixture on October 11th, until the wacko
    wreckovationists changed the Roman Calendar.  
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    « Reply #28 on: November 07, 2012, 01:03:00 AM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
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    Oh boy, here we go again! :facepalm:


    Here we go where?  Maybe I missed something, But the Theotokos is NOT divine.  How is that even debatable?


    Sigis - do yourself a favor and go back to the beginning of this thread and read it.

    Read this thread and then read your posts.  

    Just do it.  ... Nike ...
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    « Reply #29 on: November 07, 2012, 02:12:18 AM »
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    True Devotion to Mary, St. Louis De Montfort, 1941, Preliminary Remarks, pg. 5:

    ". . . the word divine may be used without attributing the nature of divinity to the person or thing thus qualified. We speak of our own prayers, whether addressed to God or to His Saints, as a divine service. The Psalmist speaks of us all as being gods and sons of the Most High; and yet no one takes offense, because the sense given to the words uttered is understood. Mary may be called divine because divinely chosen for the divine office of Mother" of a divine Person, Jesus Christ ( Cardinal Vaughan, preface to the English edition of True Devotion).



    Well, okay.  I can't argue with St. Louis de Montfort.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir