Author Topic: Habitual Ritual Message for my fisheater freinds. (Read 19364 times)

HabitualRitual · « **on:** September 27, 2012, 07:22:35 PM »

Guys....So I had some PMs from TraditionalistThomas and Starry Plough and I need some of you current fishies to pass on the sentiments below:

On top of the fact that I had taken my final bow from the Tank I have also been further banned now to the point where even lurking is no longer an option.I cannot access the forum at all to view posts.

So,just to say thanks for the sentiments.I undertand the frustrations but really debating the Neo-Trad NOers over there is a waste of time and energy.
You can't deal with folk who adhere to a postion but refuse to support it empiraclly and who ignore every relevant and disturbing point you bring to the various issues under discussion.Or worse,the disturbing issues are whitewashed in pharisaical thought and legalistic obfuscation.

It only recently dawned on me what poison floats about that place now.

Fisheaters is quicksand for the Tradionalist.The more you struggle the worse it seems to get.

I need to divert my time into more fruitful endeavors anyhow.

In some ways it is like leaving a freind behind and I shall miss many of the characters there but I have been memory holed and that is that.

Adios Muchachos!

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** September 27, 2012, 07:40:47 PM »

Does anyone else find the trajectory of fisheaters troubling?

How did fisheaters develop into one of the major trad forums?

It seems almost as though it is intentionally subversive. But is it really?

Or is it a reflection of the very sad state of traditionalism generally?

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #2 on:** September 28, 2012, 12:18:22 AM »

We have been infiltrated once again. If you ever have the chance read this book called AA-1025: memoirs of an anti apostle.

Many fishies are on this is a good website

and

http://defeatmodernism.com/

Stubborn · « **Reply #3 on:** September 28, 2012, 03:18:48 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Does anyone else find the trajectory of fisheaters troubling?

How did fisheaters develop into one of the major trad forums?

The trajectory has been headed down for probably the last 4, maybe 5 years, but 2 or 3 years ago there was a constant inflow of new NO posters who have now, pretty much taken the place over.

I've not even looked at that site for a month or so but one of the latest fishies was a NO priest, he mentioned he joined to find out more about tradition yet often criticized it while pushing his NO thinking - and the cheerleaders he immediately accuмulated signaled the beginning of the end for me there.

The mindset over there among 98% of the posters is that the NO and it's "mass" is not so bad, it's just inferior to the TLM.....that mindset of indifferentism is rampant and grows more day by day - so whoever posts about pretty much anything which is strictly Catholic is now part of a very, very small minority there.

Quote from: Telesphorus

It seems almost as though it is intentionally subversive. But is it really?

Or is it a reflection of the very sad state of traditionalism generally?

I think it's a sad reflection of what the NO has done to the Church. When I first joined them like 6 or 8 years ago, they would have never put up with 1/10th of the NO heretical postings from liberal neo's, but now, NO agendas that are posted in all forums are accepted and, for the sake of fellowship, sometimes even encouraged - it changed "with the times."

I remember when FE had a link attached to the word "modernism" every time that particular word was posted - not that that was worth much, but the effort to dissuade from posting anti-trad postings was at least noticeable - that effort has long since been completely and totally vanquished to the point where now, criticism of the NO is ok - if it's posted in the proper forum and not too vehement while a NO priest and his fellow NO adherents enjoy posting NO inspired error freely and throughout, even allowed to post defamatory things about the traditional faith without any repercussion whatsoever.

I've never posted on CAF, but understand that posters there are banned pretty much if they only seem trad - if FE did the opposite and banned all those who post pro NO, pro modernism, pro indifferentism etc, there would be very few posters there, that much is for sure.

guitarplucker · « **Reply #4 on:** September 28, 2012, 03:28:02 AM »

I love these threads about Fisheaters. I agree with Stevus that Matthew should create a special section just for ragging on that forum and exposing the errors over there.

I suspect a good number of people who find that forum are really looking for this forum, but are fooled by the anti-modern rhetoric and so stick around.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 28, 2012, 12:33:12 PM »

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even allowed to post defamatory things about the traditional faith without any repercussion whatsoever.

You can always tell whose side someone's on by the sort of invective that upsets them.

Whether it's those in charge of FE or those in charge of the SSPX, you can see very clearly how angry they are at criticisms directed against the conciliarists, the Jєωs and the feminists, and how easily they accept harsh invective and very harsh treatment of believing traditionalists.

It's betrayal, and they know it.

MaterLaeta · « **Reply #6 on:** September 28, 2012, 01:26:43 PM »

Why do you guys have to bash FE?

Fisheaters isn't perfect and neither is this place. We are all flawed and sinful human beings that make mistakes.

If anyone had been as upset with me as people have been with KingofSpades on FE, I never would have learned anything about tradition, the TLM, etc. But I love to learn and read more & learn more everyday. I have found the richness of ANYTHING traditional to be astounding and can't believe how much we have lost and discarded.

BUT - I also know how many people were turned of by my abrasiveness and criticisms of the NO when I first found the TLM & tradition.

Lately, I have toned down the rhetoric and focused on showing people WHY I love the TLM & the beauty of the prayers in it. Guess what? I am getting better results.

My attitude when I first found the TLM has pretty much guaranteed my husband will never set foot in one.

Which result do you think I prefer?

No one is saying to compromise the message. Just begin where your audience is coming from and go from there. Be patient and move slowly. So much of traditional thinking and practice is SO VERY different from what comes out of the NO, it is a culture shock and HUGE adjustment. People need time to absorb it, think about it, and internalize it.

Chus Brea · « **Reply #7 on:** September 28, 2012, 01:41:35 PM »

Quote from: MaterLaeta

Why do you guys have to bash FE?

Fisheaters isn't perfect and neither is this place. We are all flawed and sinful human beings that make mistakes.

If anyone had been as upset with me as people have been with KingofSpades on FE, I never would have learned anything about tradition, the TLM, etc. But I love to learn and read more & learn more everyday. I have found the richness of ANYTHING traditional to be astounding and can't believe how much we have lost and discarded.

BUT - I also know how many people were turned of by my abrasiveness and criticisms of the NO when I first found the TLM & tradition.

Lately, I have toned down the rhetoric and focused on showing people WHY I love the TLM & the beauty of the prayers in it. Guess what? I am getting better results.

My attitude when I first found the TLM has pretty much guaranteed my husband will never set foot in one.

Which result do you think I prefer?

No one is saying to compromise the message. Just begin where your audience is coming from and go from there. Be patient and move slowly. So much of traditional thinking and practice is SO VERY different from what comes out of the NO, it is a culture shock and HUGE adjustment. People need time to absorb it, think about it, and internalize it.

You're largely missing the point. It is not just a question of reaching the audience. Modernism is advertised like never before... if you have any doubts just read Scriptorium's last posts on the "falsification of religion" thread, and you'll see how modernism has infiltrated the place to such extent that it is just insulting to the intelligence.

Stubborn · « **Reply #8 on:** September 28, 2012, 03:12:03 PM »

Quote from: Chus Brea

You're largely missing the point. It is not just a question of reaching the audience. Modernism is advertised like never before... if you have any doubts just read Scriptorium's last posts on the "falsification of religion" thread, and you'll see how modernism has infiltrated the place to such extent that it is just insulting to the intelligence.

Yes, agreed because FE is supposed to be, claims to be, or otherwise portrays itself as a traditional Catholic forum when in reality, with very few exceptions, it has not been one for quite some time.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #9 on:** September 28, 2012, 03:31:43 PM »

I guess FE could always shrug their shoulders and say "Hey, at least we're not Catholic Answers."

MaterLaeta · « **Reply #10 on:** September 28, 2012, 03:45:42 PM »

Quote from: Chus Brea

Quote from: MaterLaeta
Why do you guys have to bash FE?

Fisheaters isn't perfect and neither is this place. We are all flawed and sinful human beings that make mistakes.

If anyone had been as upset with me as people have been with KingofSpades on FE, I never would have learned anything about tradition, the TLM, etc. But I love to learn and read more & learn more everyday. I have found the richness of ANYTHING traditional to be astounding and can't believe how much we have lost and discarded.

BUT - I also know how many people were turned of by my abrasiveness and criticisms of the NO when I first found the TLM & tradition.

Lately, I have toned down the rhetoric and focused on showing people WHY I love the TLM & the beauty of the prayers in it. Guess what? I am getting better results.

My attitude when I first found the TLM has pretty much guaranteed my husband will never set foot in one.

Which result do you think I prefer?

No one is saying to compromise the message. Just begin where your audience is coming from and go from there. Be patient and move slowly. So much of traditional thinking and practice is SO VERY different from what comes out of the NO, it is a culture shock and HUGE adjustment. People need time to absorb it, think about it, and internalize it.

You're largely missing the point. It is not just a question of reaching the audience. Modernism is advertised like never before... if you have any doubts just read Scriptorium's last posts on the "falsification of religion" thread, and you'll see how modernism has infiltrated the place to such extent that it is just insulting to the intelligence.

I suppose that's possible. There are a lot of threads I don't read. Especially if they are arguments I don't understand OR have read often enough that I don't want to see them re-hashed again.

Vox has done a poll and SSPXers are a small minority there. Most people will go diocesan TLM, FSSP, or NO. In the poll, there are a lot of people who attend the NO because there is no TLM within an hour driving distance or so.

A lot of them remind me of myself as I found tradition, so I probably tend to assume the best and not the worst of them.

I also get that I am a johnny-come-lately to tradition and the TLM. One of the things I learned from Stubborn and other posters is just how much older trads have gone through. There is a lot of anger, hurt, and betrayal and the Church is NOT changing things quickly.

I, too, get frustrated by the Vatican and the things that happen. I just try not to get angry or cynical about it.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #11 on:** September 28, 2012, 04:02:34 PM »

Fisheaters, from my time looking at a few threads over the years, and not ever having an account there, and posting, looks to me like a wishy washy bunch of modernists that are just drawn to the pageantry of the Mass. This doesn't mean all posters there, but the vast majority that I've read through, and the way they talk there, smacks of a material draw to Catholicism, and very little in actual substance.

Jaynek · « **Reply #12 on:** September 28, 2012, 04:40:38 PM »

If anyone is interested in criticizing a very involved Fish Eater member to her face, I am here.

alaric · « **Reply #13 on:** September 28, 2012, 05:08:12 PM »

Quote from: Jaynek

If anyone is interested in criticizing a very involved Fish Eater member to her face, I am here.

Ah, the hypocrite speaks......

Don't you and your master (Or is it the other way around) have a general rule about not becoming entangled on other forums opinions or criticisms of FE?

I know your works Jayne.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #14 on:** September 28, 2012, 06:11:04 PM »

Quote from: Jaynek

If anyone is interested in criticizing a very involved Fish Eater member to her face, I am here.

Jane,

How did it all work out with your husband? He was under a lot of stress because of the bickering in the traditional movement. A comment made regarding the (non)validity of the novus ordo consecration of the bread disturbed him to the point of no longer attending mass. I remember reading this on FE.

Where is he spiritually now?