Author Topic: Will Christans be left behind when the repture comes (Read 2572 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2013, 06:10:33 AM »

While it is true that the so-called rapture has no basis in sound
theological exegesis or doctrine, still, it is worth being aware of how
Protestants have latched on to this false teaching sometimes rather
tenaciously. You can get into some seriously heated exchanges
with them if you're not careful. At some point, it's better to not
even touch on that topic. But any discussion of what is in the near
future for mankind in salvation history goes right to this rapture
theme when there is even one Protestant in the group.

The most alarming aspect of it, in my experience is how they like to
couch the whole theme in their very EMOTIONAL personal
experience. They are wont to describe some personal revelation
they had, when "the SPIRIT OF GOD spoke to me," etc. They prayed
really hard, "even passion prayer!" and then the Lord said to
them something where they have forthwith planted the foundation
of all their faith. I am wont to tell them that since this foundation
rests on the substrate of pure emotions, that their faith is a house
built on sand. They need Scripture properly quoted (for a change!)
or they just don't seem to get it.

Even in their own present description of their personal experience,
they can get all shaky and trembling, and shed tears and cry and
break out in a sweat, and raise their voice to a shrill high tone.
It's quite a sight. It would seem they may be possessed, but who
knows?? And because of this personal investment they have in
how precious is their so-called faith, they would take it instantly
as an affront and insult to their own integrity if you would so much
as question them or their "vision."

Has anyone here had a run-in with this?

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #6 on:** January 10, 2013, 11:15:20 AM »

You've just described, perfectly, the "charismaniac" vicitms of Medjugoogooism.

The "charismatic movement" was launched in Pittsburgh, PA in the late 1960s by postconciliarly-disoriented "Catholic heretics" and their protestant heretic pals after a "group experience" - centered on a reading of the novel, "The Cross and the Switchblade" - metastasized globally.

There are, I believe, objectively demonstrable psychological forces at work in the "movement". And those forces are malignant. In the 19th century, a work by a Catholic priest ( name forgotten, now ) wrote on "Entusiasm" as a response to the "Great Awakening" ( e.g., Elmer Gantry-style crapola ) that he saw in America. As Neil mentioned, the entire phenomenon is natural, hyperemotional and doctrinally empty.

The great Catholic theologians, including Doctors of the Church such as St. John of the Cross, emphasize that any genuine supernatural experience is rooted in the dogmatic teachings of the Church. There are no other forms. Period.

As to intention, a subjective matter at which only a guess can be tossed, it seems from my own experience with charismaniac Medjugoogoos ( from years back ) that they are "fervorini", the sort of loose canons that put on a great show of slobbering piety, near-hysterical "sensitivity" and great fondness for the latest "spiritual high". They're addicts. And, just as when the bottle or the syringe is empty, will stop at nothing to get high, again, there is little chance of reasoning with them. Like the commited drunk or junky, they have to hit bottom before they even begin to want to sober up.

Thus, it seems the "rapture" crowd is an evangelical variant of the "charismatic movement" in the Catholic Church, with all its Medjugoogoo zealots, "three days of darkness / apocalyptic" phobics - and every other soi disant "prophet" peddling books, tapes and personal appearances.

Potiphera · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2013, 09:30:30 AM »

I think these evangelist types take the Rapture idea from Matthews Gospel 24.

:scratchchin:

Sorry about the link but it will enable you to have a quick browse then you may delete it.

http://www.rapturesolution.com/beechick/Gray/Matt2431.htm

Nishant · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2013, 01:57:06 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

It is worth being aware of how Protestants have latched on to this false teaching sometimes rather tenaciously. You can get into some seriously heated exchanges with them if you're not careful. Has anyone here had a run-in with this?

Yes, I have. I simply point out to them that the event described by the Apostle in 1 Thess 4 happens, as it plainly says there, after the general resurrection and the raising of the dead. It is describing an event post-history at the end of time that takes place at the Second Coming, along with the Last Trumpet, when the Son of Man comes to judge the living and the dead. It is not a distinct event from the Second Coming and the Last Judgment.

Most Protestants believe this refers to an event in time, a secret snatching away at a period of time before the end, because Christ wants to save them from suffering.

The Rapture was unheard of before a 150 years ago. Some Protestants apparently think no one ever read these passages before them. Others are simply unaware that both the text itself and their traditional interpretation plainly and logically show this novel and heterodox idea to be false.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2013, 03:17:29 PM »

Because protestants are separated from Our Lady, from the Holy Church, from the Blessed Sacrament, from the saints and from Sacred Traditions then they are truly separated from Jesus Christ, Our Lord.

Being in this state of separation, it's not unlikely that once their minds move from something mined from one or two lines of scripture (to the exclusion of all else) then their minds will embrace something equally incorrect.

We Catholics have had our antipopes and the concilliarist heresy (this will be the title given to the current crisis sometimes in the future), but if you look at the history of protestantism it's one gross error after another!