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Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
« on: March 14, 2019, 11:48:41 AM »
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  • Godfried Danneels, Cardinal-Archbishop emeritus of Mechlin-Brussels, died today in Mechlin.

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    "For we know him that hath said: Vengeance belongeth to me, and I will repay. And again: The Lord shall judge his people.   It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Heb. 10:30-31)

    May God have mercy on his soul.
    Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. - Nicene Creed

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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #1 on: March 14, 2019, 12:01:32 PM »
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    Cardinal Danneels tried to convince Belgian king to sign bill legalizing abortion: former prime minister
     AbortionBelgiumCatholicGodfried DanneelsPope FrancisSynod On The Family
    BRUSSELS, Belgium, April 22, 2015 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- Two Belgian politicians have openly stated that Cardinal Godfried Danneels, former archbishop of Mechlin-Brussels in Belgium and a personal pick of Pope Francis to take part in the Synod on the Family, tried to convince King Baudouin that he should sign the Belgian abortion bill into law in 1990. The King was deeply reluctant to go against his personal respect for innocent human life and a major political crisis was looming over his refusal to cooperate.
    Philippe Moureaux, a member of the Belgian Socialist Party and vice-prime minister at the time, and Mark Eyskens, member of the Christian Democrat CVP Party and former prime minister, have confirmed that several members of the Belgian government called on the cardinal to exert pressure on the King.
    King Baudouin remained firm in his determination not to participate in any way in the legalization of abortion. He finally accepted formally to ask the government to find a “solution” that would “guarantee respect for parliamentary democracy.” This resulted in his fictitious stepping down as King of the Belgians for 36 hours while the law, which had been approved by the legislature five days previously, was signed by the 14 members of the government in the night from April 3-4, 1990. The Belgian Parliament voted the King back into office on April 5. The Belgians were only to be informed of the dramatic events later that day.
    Cardinal Danneels has refused to comment on Moureaux’ and Eyskens’ statements.
    Cardinal Danneels alleged role in the affair was mentioned in 2001 by his biographer Peter-Jan Bogaert, although he did not say whether the cardinal had indeed spoken directly with the King about the matter. While it is certain that the cardinal was personally opposed to the legalization of abortion, he is also known to have said that he “totally approved the separation between Church and State,” considering the Church as having “no political power whatever.” Bogaert specified: “The cardinal acknowledges that we live in a pluri-cultural society and that its standards increasingly clash with the Church’s teachings.” At the time, the cardinal did not comment either on what amounts to an accusation, at least in the eyes of conservative Catholics.

    Fourteen years later, it appears that not only did Cardinal Danneels exert pressure on the King, but that he was used by the coalition government of the Christian Democrat Wilfried Martens – the prime minister who signed the abortion bill even though he refused to vote for it – in order to move out of the constitutional deadlock created by the King’s conscientious objection.
    During the days that preceded the King’s “incapacitation,” Martens and other ministers went to see him and argued for hours against his refusal to sign the bill into law. Baudouin told them his stance was not a religious one: “If you, Claes,” he said to one of them, “were to come here with the Pope from Rome, I would still say no.” “Don’t look for a link with religion: you know that I am a profound believer, but for me it is a question of the respect that I have for human life,” he stressed.
    The King’s refusal to budge prompted the Belgian government to call on Cardinal Danneels, a fact on which Belgian politicians commented for the first time in front of a camera on April 6 of this year, according to the Flemish TV VTM. According to Moureaux, the government arranged a “cautious and discreet” intervention on the part of Danneels “who would always be present at the Royal Family’s family events: he conducted all the royal marriages and baptized the King’s nieces and nephews,” says Moureaux. “He was in a way the Royal Family’s chaplain and conscientious director,” adds Mark Eyskens. “But, no result.”
    Willy Claes links King Baudouin’s refusal to his own personal tragedy: he and Queen Fabiola were to remain childless after the Queen suffered four miscarriages. A biography of the Belgian King by Prince Stefane van Lobkowicz claims that she almost died during her first pregnancy, and that the King pleaded for her life to be saved, even if that were to mean aborting the child she was carrying. Fabiola is said to have refused “once and for all,” saying that being forced to abort would signify the end of their marriage and her retirement into a nun’s cloister. The same book, published in 1996, mentioned for the first time that Cardinal Danneels had intervened in order to convince the King that he should sign the abortion law.
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    A spokesman for the Royal Family reacted officially, saying that Danneels had never “in any way put pressure” on Baudouin – which doesn’t necessarily mean that he did not try.
    On April 5 of this year, Cardinal Godfried Danneels was interviewed by the French-speaking television rtl.be. He calls the anniversary of the Belgian abortion law “unacceptable,” to be “marked by a black stone,” “not only because of what the law says but because of the slippery slope which is turning abortion into an ordinary act” – not on the part of the woman, but of the law. “I think some women suffer very much” because of the law, he says.
    Asked whether the law should be revoked, Danneels answers: “It is always within the bounds of politics and of Parliament to create a legal framework. It is evidently not a moral norm, because morals are something different from a legal framework that is made. The State can do that. But I regret very strongly that, increasingly, values are being completely lost, because the life of a tiny child, of an infant, is a human life. … Values that should be self-evident, such as the protection of life, are being lost and we are not even conscious of the fact, and I believe that often women who face this difficulty, who have had an abortion, suffer a great deal more than we think: it is not an ordinary act in a women’s experience, I am sure.”
    Danneels does not answer directly on the point of his intervention – or not – to make King Baudouin sign the Belgian abortion law, but the distinction he makes between “moral norms” and “legal frameworks” which are of the responsibility of the State do show that he accepts the existence of legalized abortion insofar as it is the result of a political decision, and that would suggest that he would not have refused in principle to advise the King to sign the law.
    But this sort of reasoning, which reposes on a complete separation between political decisions and moral norms, would of course justify any crime legalized by a democratic or legitimate majority.

    Cardinal Danneels is rated as a “liberal” cardinal. LifeSiteNews reported in June 2013 that Danneels referred to “gay marriage” laws as a “positive development.” His intervention at the Synod on the Family, where he was personally named as a Synod Father by Pope Francis, was ambiguous and “carefully measured,” but tailored to preach “mercy” for “remarried” divorcees and silent on the sufferings of abandoned spouses.
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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #2 on: March 14, 2019, 12:39:40 PM »
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  • Wow.

    It is a frightful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    Imagine him before the judgment seat. A bit awkward that this Cardinal was pushing to legalize abortion in Belgium. Even most prots have the truth when it comes to the abortion issue!

    Protip: Non-Catholics often get the Abortion issue correct, because Abortion is a question of the NATURAL LAW. One doesn't need Faith to know that Abortion is wrong. Abortion is a natural issue, not a supernatural one. The Natural Law is written on the heart of EVERY MAN.

    Contrast this with an edifying life, for example
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Scheidler

    Not much on the Wikipedia article. Try this interview that just came out on LifeSiteNews -
    https://shows.pippa.io/life-site-news/episodes/episode-7-my-life-as-a-pro-life-activist-with-joe-scheidler

    Imagine going before God when you have spent your life volunteering, working tirelessly, sacrificing, and being persecuted in order to save the preborn and end abortion.

    I'm edified just reading about someone like Joseph Scheidler.
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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #3 on: March 14, 2019, 12:57:01 PM »
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  • I will conclude with:

    1. The world is a better place now for his passing (what a horrible, and yet true, thing to say!)
    2. May God have mercy on his soul.
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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #4 on: March 15, 2019, 09:45:46 AM »
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  • As a notorious public sinner, he should be denied a public "Mass of Canonization."
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X


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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #5 on: March 16, 2019, 12:46:02 AM »
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  • May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
     :pray: :pray: :pray: 

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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #6 on: March 16, 2019, 08:07:00 AM »
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  • May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
     :pray: :pray: :pray:
    Barring a miracle, a public sinner like Godfried Danneels is not going to "rest in peace". 
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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #7 on: March 16, 2019, 08:16:10 AM »
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  • May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
     :pray: :pray: :pray:

    It may come as a surprise to you, Poche, but lumping Danneels in with the "faithful departed" is insulting.

    Pray for him, sure.  But don't pretend that he was a member of the "faithful", departed or otherwise.

    I suspect you'd say the same thing if Luther died yesterday.
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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #8 on: March 16, 2019, 10:44:53 AM »
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  • https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-danneels-tried-to-convince-belgian-king-to-sign-bill-legalizing-ab



    "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

    Vengeance is mine, sayest the Lord.  I will repay !

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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #9 on: March 18, 2019, 01:17:28 AM »
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  • It may come as a surprise to you, Poche, but lumping Danneels in with the "faithful departed" is insulting.

    Pray for him, sure.  But don't pretend that he was a member of the "faithful", departed or otherwise.

    I suspect you'd say the same thing if Luther died yesterday.
    One day I too will die and have to face my maker. I am only asking for him what I will want for myself in my time of judgement. 

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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #10 on: March 18, 2019, 09:38:09 AM »
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  • One day I too will die and have to face my maker. I am only asking for him what I will want for myself in my time of judgement.

    And when He asks you why you were tolerant of/supportive of the revolution in His Church, what will you say?
    Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. - Nicene Creed


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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #11 on: March 19, 2019, 12:05:52 AM »
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  • And when He asks you why you were tolerant of/supportive of the revolution in His Church, what will you say?
    I only ask that you pray for me as I beg for His mercy.

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    Re: Godfried Danneels Dead - Requiem for a Wicked Man
    « Reply #12 on: March 19, 2019, 06:32:02 PM »
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  • I only ask that you pray for me as I beg for His mercy.
    Don't worry poche, I'll pray for you... 8)





     

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