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God is not Impressed by Numbers
« on: March 16, 2014, 06:02:24 PM »
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    In the time of Noah, humanity had grown so wicked in its sins that God, in His great justice, decided to make an entire end of the entire human race. Thus came the Great Flood and took them all away, save for the eight souls who were saved on the Ark of Noah. This is one of many instances in the Bible when God displays His preference for working through 'remnants', that is, through small groups of people who are faithful to God despite massive apostasy going on around them.

    We see the same story again and again in Scripture: God has called for fidelity, but when the majority refuses to heed God's command, he wipes them away and continues with a very small minority - in Noah's case, a single family. Let us look at some of these 'remnant' scenarios in Scripture and then draw some practical conclusions from them.

    After the story of Noah, we see this principle in the time of Moses. After going up to receive the Law on Mount Sinai, the Israelites rebel and worship the golden calf. Angered at this, God is ready to consume the entire Israelite nation. Let us examine the passage:

    "And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: "Go, get thee down: thy people, which thou hast brought out of the land of Egypt, hath sinned. They have quickly strayed from the way which thou didst shew them: and they have made to themselves a molten calf, and have adored it, and sacrificing victims to it, have said: 'These are thy gods, O Israel, that have brought thee out of the land of Egypt.'" And again the Lord said to Moses: "See that this people is stiffnecked: Let me alone, that my wrath may be kindled against them, and that I may destroy them, and I will make of thee a great nation."

    But Moses besought the Lord his God, saying: "Why, O Lord, is thy indignation kindled against thy people, whom thou hast brought out of the land of Egypt, with great power, and with a mighty hand? Let not the Egyptians say, I beseech thee: 'He craftily brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains, and destroy them from the earth': let thy anger cease, and be appeased upon the wickedness of thy people. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swore by thy own self, saying: I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven: and this whole land that I have spoken of, I will give to you seed, and you shall possess it for ever. And the Lord was appeased from doing the evil which he had spoken against his people" (Ex. 32:7-14).
     
    Here we see God was about to wipe out all the Israelites and begin again with Moses alone. Moses' intercession saved them - an intercession, we ought to note, based not on pleas for mercy for the people but on an appeal to God's own reputation and glory.

    After the sins of the Kingdom of Israel, who followed in the idolatry introduced by Jeroboam, son of Nebat, God wipes away the ten northern tribes and allows only the two southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin to remain in the land. Then later, when King Manasseh of Judah outrages God by sacrificing children to Moloch in he Valley of Hinnom (2 Ch. 33:6), God swears to destroy Jerusalem as well, saying of His holy city: "I will wipe away the people of Jerusalem as one wipes a dish and turns it" (2 Ki. 21:13). How frightening a thing it is when God says of His own city, the home of His own temple, that he intends to wipe it away as one wipes a dish!

    Nevertheless, He promised a small remnant would remain faithful and return to the land. In the prophet Isaiah, God says:

    "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and they that shall escape of the house of Jacob, shall lean no more upon him that striketh them: but they shall lean upon the Lord the Holy One of Israel, in truth. The remnant shall be converted, the remnant, I say, of Jacob, to the mighty God. For if thy people, O Israel, shall be as the sand of the sea, a remnant of them shall be converted, the consumption abridged shall overflow with justice" (Isa. 10:20-22).

    God's promise to Israel will come to pass, despite their infidelity - but it will be fulfilled by means of a faithful remnant. Further prophecies about this remnant can be found in Isaiah 11:11, 11:16, 37:31-32, as well as Jeremiah 23:3, which says, "And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase."

    The small remnant does return, as narrated in Ezra-Nehemiah. Of that small remnant that is brought back to Jerusalem, only a tiny remnant of that remnant accepts the teaching of our Lord Jesus when He appears on this earth, a "remnant saved by grace", as St. Paul says in Romans 11:5. Our Lord, as well, affirms that God works through remnants when He says, "Many are called but few are chosen" (Matt. 22:14). When our Lord delivered His hard sayings on His Real Presence in the Eucharist and the multitudes and many disciples began abandoning Him, He did not try to prevent their leaving; He merely asked if the Twelve also intended to go away. He was concerned with His remnant.

    The lesson of all this is that God is not impressed by numbers. Yes, our Lord wants all men to be saved. But they will be saved on His terms, and if they will not heed Him on His own terms, He is willing to wipe them away and start all over again. He has delivered His truth and His commands, and if people are not willing to keep them, He will blot them out - even if He has to blot out an entire nation or even a race and start all over again from scratch. In none of these historical examples does God ever suggest that He will mitigate His law, relax His discipline, or soften His demands just because a large - sometimes very large - portion of His people are living in disobedience. He would rather wipe out the huge amount of dissenters and start fresh than relax even a single point of His commands on their behalf.

    This is extremely relevant given current discussions about mitigating the Church's long standing discipline of denying communion to people living in adulterous "second marriages." The contemporary wisdom, exemplified by Cardinal Kasper, suggests that because there are so many Catholics living in this state who cannot receive communion, there is an "abyss" between Church practice and the real experience of couples in concrete circuмstances. If the Church were to continue to deny these people communion, we might lose a lot of people. Therefore, we need to accommodate their rebellion by softening our discipline.

    This is not the way God works. God is not impressed by the number of people living in "second marriages", nor is God afraid to lose them all and work again from a remnant. Reflect again on that passage from Exodus; God had done wonders to bring these people out of Egypt and had given them the Law in a manifestation of divine glory unsurpassed in the Old Testament. According to the census at the time of the Exodus, Moses led 603,550 men out of Egypt (Num. 1:46); a massive throng of humanity! Even so, when they all rebelled, He was prepared to destroy them all and start all over again with a single man - essentially, go back to the starting point he had established with Abraham centuries before. He was not impressed with the numbers of the rebels; no angels made the argument that an abyss existed between God's demands and the concrete pastoral circuмstances of the Israelites that needed to be bridged; they held no committee meetings on the "problems" of Israelite religion. "Let me alone that I may consume them." God was ready to destroy them all and start over again with a single man. And note that it was not by pleas of mercy for the Israelites that Moses' intercession saved them, but by appealing to God's glory and His own word.

    You see, God is not afraid of working through a remnant. Cardinal Kasper is.

    When God saw that the vast majority of Israelites were worshiping the golden calf of Jeroboam, He did not decide look for a new pastoral solution to the "problem" of Israelite idolatry by applying the medicine of mercy to idolatrous Israelites in concrete pastoral situations. God was not scared by the prospect of losing ten out of twelve of the tribes, which, by the way, works out to be 83% of His chosen people. When a progressive prelate sees 83% of Catholics are contracepting, he frets about how we can soften discipline and retain those 83%. When God sees 83% of the Israelites committing idolatry, He says, "Oh well. I still have 17% left to work with."

    Again, if Jesus sees the majority of His followers deserting Him, He does wring His hands and talk about the disconnect between His teaching and the experience of His followers, nor posit that the problem is with His message. He merely turns to the disciples, the faithful remnant, and asks what their plans are.

    Let us remember, too, the Catholic Church in the days of Pope Clement VII was willing to lose the entire Kingdom of England, and create an innumerable host of martyrs in the process, rather than compromise on one point of doctrine. The Church in that day did not care about the "abyss" between Henry VIII and the Church's teaching; if an abyss existed, it was created by the sins of those who valued their own lusts above the teaching of our Lord.

    To return to Scripture, let us recall the instance when Elijah had to flee from Ahab and Jezebel to Mount Horeb. There, alone in the cave, he lamented to God. The tale is told in 1 Kings 19:

    "Then there came a voice to him that said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” He answered, “I have been very zealous for the Lord, the God of hosts; for the Israelites have forsaken your covenant, thrown down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword. I alone am left, and they are seeking my life, to take it away.” (1 Ki. 19:13-14).

    Elijah is mourning the almost universal apostasy in Israel; following the example of the evil monarchs Ahab and Jezebel, the Israelite people have forsaken God and served the Baals. God responds by commanding Elijah to anoint a new king and a new prophet and then says that He will pass judgment on the house of Ahab. But if all Israel has apostasized, who would be left to execute this judgment? God says:

    "Yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel, all the knees that have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him.” (1 Ki. 19:18).

    Again, a small, faithful remnant. Seven thousand men who had not corrupted themselves with Baal worship; and not only has God reserved this remnant, but He plans to use it to judge the unfaithful mass! By the way, this is the very passage St. Paul cites in Romans 11 when explaining why so few Jєωs have accepted the Savior: because in cases of mass apostasy and infidelity, God works through remnants.

    Our Lord Himself hints that, in the end, the masses will fall away and only through a remnant will faith be preserved:

    "Many are called, but few are chosen." -Matt. 22:14
    "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road is easy that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it. For the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life, and there are few who find it." -Matt. 7:13-14
    "And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold." -Matt. 24:12
    For there will rise up false Christs and false prophets, and they shall shew signs and wonders, and even the elect will be deceived, if it were possible." -Mark 13:22
    "But when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?" -Luke 18:8

    The constant focus of God's action, in the Old and New Testaments, is on the remnant. When all Israel is ready to apostasize and stone Moses, it is Moses God is concerned with; He is ready to consume the unfaithful. When ten of the twelve tribes go after foreign gods, God sends them away into oblivion. When Jerusalem sins, God wipes them away like one wipes a dish but encourages the small remnant who remains to be faithful. It is the remnant that must be encouraged, the remnant that must be strengthened, the good of the remnant which must be preserved. It is the remnant which will fulfill God's will; it always has, whether that remnant was 7,000 men, as in the case of Elijah, or a single man, in the case of Moses.

    The modern Church is fundamentally afraid of entering into a remnant scenario; petrified of a circuмstance when the world scoffs and laughs at her, in which she loses all relevance. And therefore she tries everything to postpone or avoid this state of affairs, even to the point of compromising very basic Catholic disciplines and inventing ingenious ways around doctrine. Ultimately, it is because they do not trust God. They care about numbers; "What are we going to do about declining Mass attendance?" "What about these abysmal baptismal statistics?" God doesn't care about your numbers; He cares about truth. Just preach the truth. Let God worry about the numbers. If hearts are soft, they will repent and come back by the preaching of the truth. If not, the truth will serve as a sword against them, and they shall go forth, and God will wipe them away as one wipes a dish, and the 7,000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal will rise up in judgment against them, and the Lord will start over again if He needs to, working out His mysterious providence through the remnant that He has chosen by grace.

    God works through remnants. And He doesn't care about the numbers. He will wipe everything out and start over if He has to. He's done it before. It's the way He operates.

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    God is not Impressed by Numbers
    « Reply #1 on: March 16, 2014, 07:02:00 PM »
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  • The 4th power or Reich foundation = .........Feet of clay and iron

    Aerial view of Bodelva clay pit before Eden was built there.

    They have Pagan-Satanist Bronze Bulls which you inadvertantly worship when walking around them carefully placed in EDEN!

    (ditto in their shopping Halls to Mammon eg The bull-ring Birmingham. In ancient times it was a real stone ring/henge that has been majikly hidden from you but is still there in 'morphed' form!)
    People walk around in a circular fashion!

    Giant Angel of the North
    Massive White horse in Kent etc

    The Shard (broken glass, = "Gods kingdom like Crystal"
    (why Jєωs "the Trotters" dropped the crystal chandalier for tv viewers in UK)

    Other pagan sculptures in zillions of Halls of Mammon & city centres.
    They even trick youths into paganised false religious-type prayer meetings in the USA in these shopping Malls!

    A modern Babylonian theme park - right under your noses!
    You have to know/learn The Bible (right parts of) to unscramble this info!


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    « Reply #2 on: March 16, 2014, 07:38:43 PM »
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  • Forgot to add this earlier >>>

    Calling all Rese_archers

    Jeremiah 50:29
    "Summon archers against Babylon, all those who draw the bow. Encamp all around her; let no one escape. Repay her for her deeds; do to her as she has done. For she has defied the LORD, the Holy One of Israel.

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    « Reply #3 on: March 16, 2014, 10:52:09 PM »
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  • I'm lost-what's this all about?    :confused1:

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    « Reply #4 on: March 17, 2014, 05:38:31 AM »
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  • self-justification, Lighthouse.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 17, 2014, 01:57:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    self-justification, Lighthouse.


    With or without cause?


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    « Reply #6 on: March 17, 2014, 02:22:45 PM »
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  • 'God desires from you the least degree of purity of conscience more than all the works you can perform.'

    St. John of the Cross

    'Once our motives are pure and up right, and we seek not our interests, but those of our Lord and Master, He has a constant care over us, because He is infinitely good.'

    St. Ignatius of Loyola

    'The lily is the symbol of purity of conscience of life.'

    St. Gaspar del Bufalo


    . . . Look at the lilies of the fields. . .
    Sincerely,

    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-

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    « Reply #7 on: March 17, 2014, 02:52:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Quote from: ggreg
    self-justification, Lighthouse.


    With or without cause?


    With cause—but it's a really atrocious, really wicked cause.

    For convenience's sake let's give the cause a name: The Old and Superseded Covenant Rides Again! Note the stuff the OP highlights in red. It assumes not just the existence of a remnant but something very much like the remnant's ritual purity; hence, its superiority to the Many.

    Neither Our Blessed Lord nor the Church he founded ever exulted in the hardness of men's hearts or the extent to which the sowers of the Good News scattered seed that fell on rocky ground or among thorns or at the roadside. In the New and Eternal Covenant—the only one in effect, please recall—the laying out of these sad facts of human nature and of human beings' resistance to God's Word is meant to act as a reminder to the Fortunate Few that they must work all the harder to overcome obstacles to the propagation of the Word and as a stimulus to do just that.

    Put otherwise, being part of the remnant ought to be cause, not for rejoicing, but for (1) lament at its paltry size and (2) gratitude to the Lord for His mysterious generosity. In line with the Great Commission that Our Lord left with the Eleven just before the Ascension, the Church's motto has long been "That All Might Be Saved!" No one with any sense has ever believed that all will be saved, but those who elevate this sad state of affairs to an occasion for self-justification (as ggreg puts it) and, what is far worse, for bloodthirsty contempt for those outside the remnant (to take seriously the clear implications of glaston's follow-up comments) is to adopt the attitude of the very Jєωs that Jeremiah, in the bulk of the two OT books that bear his name, spent considerable time and energy denouncing.

    Worst of all, the attitude urged upon us by glaston (an attitude already implicit in the material in the OP) is identical to that of many present-day Jєωs. These people, who make the worst of the Jєωs of Jeremiah's time look almost like saints by comparison, have retained only the bits and pieces of the Old Covenant (whose Author they don't believe in anyway) that suit their bloodthirsty view of the rest of the human race, particularly those parts of it not yet in total subservience to them.