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AWFUL SHAME
« on: April 13, 2018, 09:16:50 PM »
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  • On the U.S., U.K. & France as they smash into war torn Syria.  Immoral, illegal, and unjust action!

    https://www.rt.com/news/424090-syria-strikes-video-photo/

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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #1 on: April 14, 2018, 02:17:18 AM »
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  • This is an escalation towards World War III.
    There is a God, but there probably is no Pope Francis.


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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #2 on: April 14, 2018, 02:05:43 PM »
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  • At this point, I’m afraid, informed Catholics of good conscience are forced to take sides. Do we we believe that the US, France and the UK are justified in their latest act of aggression against Syria, or do some believe, as I do, that Russia, Syria and Iran are on the side of the Angels, when they claim that either no chemical attack occurred upon the citizens of Douma, or that Assad bears no responsibility for any such attack which may have been carried out? In the absence of any firm credible evidence that any such incident ever took place, I am forced to take sides with the Russian Federation and its allies, including, of course, Syria and Iran. I am compelled, as a Catholic, to conclude that Bashar al Assad has never carried out chemical attacks against his own people. No incontrovertible proofs have ever been adduced by the West to this effect. All appeals by the Russians for multinational investigative teams to assess the situation are now, as in the past, rejected.

    The OPCW (Organization to Prohibit Chemical Weapons) had people on the ground in Syria day before yesterday, ready to investigate the charges made by the US, UK, and French governments. They never got the chance to do their work. Trump ordered strikes the following day. He did not get Congressional approval for this action. Neither did Theresa May from her own Parliament.

    The scenario parallels almost exactly what happened in the Idlib province just a year ago. Trump was ready to pull American troops out of Syria. Then the alleged sarin gas attack occurred. That finished that! A few weeks ago, Trump resolved once again to remove the US military presence from Syria. Boom! It happened again, another alleged chemical gassing incident in Douma.

    How can Catholics sit by and let these catastrophes happen without expressing, at least on social media, and here on CI, strong disapproval of them?. The recent Syrian attack by the US and UK was totally outrageous and unjustified in the face of any real evidence presently at hand.

    Perhaps CI forum members don’t wish to stray too far from their discussion comfort zones. Perhaps, a number prefer the endless rehashing of shopworn topics like priest pedophilia, the Dimond Brothers, the authentic Magisterium, and, of course, endless tirades on sedevacantism. I don’t know. But I think, Klaus and others, you must all agree that forum members are not exactly falling all over one another to post an opinion on this topic.

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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #3 on: April 14, 2018, 02:21:59 PM »
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  • At this point, I’m afraid, informed Catholics of good conscience are forced to take sides. Do we we believe that the US, France and the UK are justified in their latest act of aggression against Syria, or do some believe, as I do, that Russia, Syria and Iran are on the side of the Angels, when they claim that either no chemical attack occurred upon the citizens of Douma, or that Assad bears no responsibility for any such attack which may have been carried out? In the absence of any firm credible evidence that any such incident ever took place, I am forced to take sides with the Russian Federation and its allies, including, of course, Syria and Iran. I am compelled, as a Catholic, to conclude that Bashar al Assad has never carried out chemical attacks against his own people. No incontrovertible proofs have ever been adduced by the West to this effect. All appeals by the Russians for multinational investigative teams to assess the situation are now, as in the past, rejected.

    The OPCW (Organization to Prohibit Chemical Weapons) had people on the ground in Syria day before yesterday, ready to investigate the charges made by the US, UK, and French governments. They never got the chance to do their work. Trump ordered strikes the following day. He did not get Congressional approval for this action. Neither did Theresa May from her own Parliament.

    The scenario parallels almost exactly what happened in the Idlib province just a year ago. Trump was ready to pull American troops out of Syria. Then the alleged sarin gas attack occurred. That finished that! A few weeks ago, Trump resolved once again to remove the US military presence from Syria. Boom! It happened again, another alleged chemical gassing incident in Douma.

    How can Catholics sit by and let these catastrophes happen without expressing, at least on social media, and here on CI, strong disapproval of them?. The recent Syrian attack by the US and UK was totally outrageous and unjustified in the face of any real evidence presently at hand.

    Perhaps CI forum members don’t wish to stray too far from their discussion comfort zones. Perhaps, a number prefer the endless rehashing of shopworn topics like priest pedophilia, the Dimond Brothers, the authentic Magisterium, and, of course, endless tirades on sedevacantism. I don’t know. But I think, Klaus and others, you must all agree that forum members are not exactly falling all over one another to post an opinion on this topic.

    I completely agree with everything you said here, and I hope everyone noticed my posts on this topic.

    I recommend everyone get their news from ALTERNATIVE NEWS sources, which are the only real sources of news. For economic and world news, I recommend the X22Report, which totally echoes what Hollingsworth said here (except for the Catholic part).

    X22report.com is a free podcast that comes out 6 days a week, usually around 30 minutes, which you can download (mp3) or listen to on your phone. I usually download it and either listen to it on my phone, or even with headphones at my PC during the day. It's a good, efficient way to stay abreast of what's going on in the world, without spending a lot of time surfing the Net.

    The man who runs it (Dave) has a ton of common sense, and he is mostly on track. Dave calls the bad guys "The Deep State" and that's close enough for me. He is critical of both parties. His closest thing to "hoping in the system" is hoping that Trump has a plan to unseat and overthrow the Deep State and the Federal Reserve. Like I said, he's close enough for me.

    If Dave were Catholic, he'd get along fine on CathInfo.


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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #4 on: April 14, 2018, 02:26:10 PM »
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  • P.S. I can't even read the Mainstream Media anymore, without getting angry from the lies and injustice. Good is literally called evil, and evil called good. I can't stand it. It's enough to drive you insane.

    It's as obvious to me as the nose on my face that the Deep State wants war. I wish they would just go take a long jump off a short pier and leave the rest of us alone.
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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #5 on: April 14, 2018, 02:54:26 PM »
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  • At this point, I’m afraid, informed Catholics of good conscience are forced to take sides. Do we we believe that the US, France and the UK are justified in their latest act of aggression against Syria, or do some believe, as I do, that Russia, Syria and Iran are on the side of the Angels, when they claim that either no chemical attack occurred upon the citizens of Douma, or that Assad bears no responsibility for any such attack which may have been carried out? In the absence of any firm credible evidence that any such incident ever took place, I am forced to take sides with the Russian Federation and its allies, including, of course, Syria and Iran. I am compelled, as a Catholic, to conclude that Bashar al Assad has never carried out chemical attacks against his own people. No incontrovertible proofs have ever been adduced by the West to this effect. All appeals by the Russians for multinational investigative teams to assess the situation are now, as in the past, rejected.

    The OPCW (Organization to Prohibit Chemical Weapons) had people on the ground in Syria day before yesterday, ready to investigate the charges made by the US, UK, and French governments. They never got the chance to do their work. Trump ordered strikes the following day. He did not get Congressional approval for this action. Neither did Theresa May from her own Parliament.

    The scenario parallels almost exactly what happened in the Idlib province just a year ago. Trump was ready to pull American troops out of Syria. Then the alleged sarin gas attack occurred. That finished that! A few weeks ago, Trump resolved once again to remove the US military presence from Syria. Boom! It happened again, another alleged chemical gassing incident in Douma.

    How can Catholics sit by and let these catastrophes happen without expressing, at least on social media, and here on CI, strong disapproval of them?. The recent Syrian attack by the US and UK was totally outrageous and unjustified in the face of any real evidence presently at hand.

    Perhaps CI forum members don’t wish to stray too far from their discussion comfort zones. Perhaps, a number prefer the endless rehashing of shopworn topics like priest pedophilia, the Dimond Brothers, the authentic Magisterium, and, of course, endless tirades on sedevacantism. I don’t know. But I think, Klaus and others, you must all agree that forum members are not exactly falling all over one another to post an opinion on this topic.

    Unfortunately hollingsworth, I think you're spot on. I don't know if most Traditional Catholics don't care or just don't know. Back in the days between the two Gulf invasions, I don't remember a single SSPX priest who morally objected to the invasions. Not to "toot my own horn," but I had the privilege to convince an intellectual on the errors of these said invasions, and shortly thereafter, he became a contributor to the book Neo-Conned. I just don't know if Catholics of today are going to take the initiative to study the matter for themselves... I'm sure some would come to the same conclusion as that of your's if it is taken seriously. 

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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #6 on: April 15, 2018, 12:00:22 AM »
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  • P.S. I can't even read the Mainstream Media anymore, without getting angry from the lies and injustice. Good is literally called evil, and evil called good. I can't stand it. It's enough to drive you insane.

    It's as obvious to me as the nose on my face that the Deep State wants war. I wish they would just go take a long jump off a short pier and leave the rest of us alone.

    Lord have mercy and spare us.

    I agree. One cannot watch the fake MSM news and then pray attentively. The anchors are all providing the same scripted nebulous information and would want us to believe that they have proof. What proof? Are their words proof? Absolutely not.

    Remember the Iraqi war when the US government said that they had found the smoking gun with proof that Iraq was manufacturing chemical weapons? After thousands were killed or maimed, it was revealed that Iraq had no chemical weapons, and that this was just a smokescreen to start yet another gulf war.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #7 on: April 15, 2018, 12:00:36 AM »
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  • Look at the aftermath of the Iraqi War.

    Many of the Iraqi Eastern Catholics were murdered, their churches bombed, their homes were either destroyed or taken over by ISIS, and few Christians were allowed to come to the USA as refugees from the ISIS slaughter.

    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #8 on: April 15, 2018, 02:24:42 AM »
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  • Trump is a Calvinist :fryingpan:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #9 on: April 15, 2018, 05:22:27 AM »
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  • I'm disgusted by the bombings of Syria.  If their supplies were bombed wouldn't that mean chemicals are in the air and ground?  

    I think it is hypocritical for USA to do this when Planned Parenthood is being funded. USA, France and england are terrorist Moslim capitals of the world.  

    Where is Israel , Germany or China?  The USA gives billions to Israel who already has top military in the world.  

    As a Catholic, this was an unjust attack. 



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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #10 on: April 15, 2018, 05:34:02 AM »
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  • and what about England with two little babies taken from parents to die a horrible death in hospital as the world watches and prays?  If it the parents were royals, it would be a different story. And the push for legalized. abortion in Ireland.  
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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #11 on: April 15, 2018, 07:31:24 AM »
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  • and what about England with two little babies taken from parents to die a horrible death in hospital as the world watches and prays?  
    You are spreading mis-information and half-truths with that statement. 
    Unless you know the whole story, from both sides, and are prepared to be discerning in your research about such emotive topics, you should leave them alone. Causing scandal with half-truths and misinformation is as sinful as outright lying.
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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #12 on: April 15, 2018, 10:13:55 AM »
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    I don't know if most Traditional Catholics don't care or just don't know. Back in the days between the two Gulf invasions, I don't remember a single SSPX priest who morally objected to the invasions.

    I don't know either.  Maybe sspx priests don't feel its their job to comment on geopolitical issues.  But why then do so few, (if any) comment on the state of the Church? Do you know of sspx priests from the pulpit taking Bergoglio to task over his obvious heresies?  Do you know of sspx priests from the pulpit excoriating priest pedophiles and active homosexuals?  We're no longer with the sspx.  So maybe there are sspx priests speaking out on these matters.  But we've heard little or nothing about it, if true.

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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #13 on: April 15, 2018, 10:34:21 AM »
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  • At this point, I’m afraid, informed Catholics of good conscience are forced to take sides. Do we we believe that the US, France and the UK are justified in their latest act of aggression against Syria, or do some believe, as I do, that Russia, Syria and Iran are on the side of the Angels, when they claim that either no chemical attack occurred upon the citizens of Douma, or that Assad bears no responsibility for any such attack which may have been carried out? In the absence of any firm credible evidence that any such incident ever took place, I am forced to take sides with the Russian Federation and its allies, including, of course, Syria and Iran. I am compelled, as a Catholic, to conclude that Bashar al Assad has never carried out chemical attacks against his own people. No incontrovertible proofs have ever been adduced by the West to this effect. All appeals by the Russians for multinational investigative teams to assess the situation are now, as in the past, rejected.

    The OPCW (Organization to Prohibit Chemical Weapons) had people on the ground in Syria day before yesterday, ready to investigate the charges made by the US, UK, and French governments. They never got the chance to do their work. Trump ordered strikes the following day. He did not get Congressional approval for this action. Neither did Theresa May from her own Parliament.

    The scenario parallels almost exactly what happened in the Idlib province just a year ago. Trump was ready to pull American troops out of Syria. Then the alleged sarin gas attack occurred. That finished that! A few weeks ago, Trump resolved once again to remove the US military presence from Syria. Boom! It happened again, another alleged chemical gassing incident in Douma.

    How can Catholics sit by and let these catastrophes happen without expressing, at least on social media, and here on CI, strong disapproval of them?. The recent Syrian attack by the US and UK was totally outrageous and unjustified in the face of any real evidence presently at hand.

    Perhaps CI forum members don’t wish to stray too far from their discussion comfort zones. Perhaps, a number prefer the endless rehashing of shopworn topics like priest pedophilia, the Dimond Brothers, the authentic Magisterium, and, of course, endless tirades on sedevacantism. I don’t know. But I think, Klaus and others, you must all agree that forum members are not exactly falling all over one another to post an opinion on this topic.
    I agree mostly, but I wouldn't say Russia and co. are on the side of the Angels. I think both sides are morally bankrupt, but in this situation the Russian-Syrian side is in the right. 

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    Re: AWFUL SHAME
    « Reply #14 on: April 15, 2018, 10:45:07 AM »
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  • What are u talking about half truths?  The hospital prevented baby Charlie from getting treatment in USA.  Another family is doing the same problem. Many were praying. The parents should be deciding; not the doctors.  Too many doctors think they are gods.  The hospital is removing the rights of the parents.  Also, the Irish are going to England to abort babies because murder of babies in legal in England.  Please tell us the truth.  

    USA, England and France should stay home and clean the mess in their back yards instead if being hypocrites.  



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