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Offline johnnyci

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« on: February 25, 2014, 11:16:08 AM »
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  • Hello everyone brothers and sisters,

    I have problem let me show you sth.

    Has anyone read this book, I must admit that thanks to this book I have lost my faith in christianity but not in God can anyone comment this? I ask for answers only people who has read this.

    Is that true that first christians believed in reincarnation

    Thanks a lot.


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    « Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 11:41:11 AM »
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  • You realize this is a Catholic forum, correct?  You state that you no longer believe in Jesus Christ -  you need to find a traditional Catholic priest and discuss the state of your soul.  Don't delay.

    So sorry you poisoned your mind with heresy.  As the forum moderater, Matthew, says "you can't UN see something".  I will not go the links you provided.
    We do not have to read this trash, we have the fullness of Truth.




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    « Reply #2 on: February 25, 2014, 12:53:21 PM »
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  • sorry for emotional talk.
    I am not able now to edit or delete my post, so you can do it please
    Thank you and god bless you

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    « Reply #3 on: February 25, 2014, 01:10:21 PM »
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    sorry for emotional talk.


    I understand.  When a person is in a dysfunctional state, it is common to react, instead of being objective.

    You misunderstood my comment, and you took offense.

    My point is that you are seduced by satanic influenced sources, and you reject Christianity.  You need to go to a traditional priest to discuss, not promote the heretical material on this forum.

    Your soul is in jeopardy and I have been praying for you today.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 25, 2014, 01:15:24 PM »
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    but seems like all catholic 'fathers' afraid of mystic gnosis


    Quite the opposite.  Catholics have the fullness of Truth, thus we have no fear.  It is satan, and those who are influenced by his lies who are afraid.  

    Also, on this forum, we don't feed the trolls.  If you truly want to discuss this with someone, find a traditional Catholic priest who can guide your soul.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 25, 2014, 01:30:37 PM »
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    but seems like all catholic 'fathers' afraid of mystic gnosis


    Quite the opposite.  Catholics have the fullness of Truth, thus we have no fear.  It is satan, and those who are influenced by his lies who are afraid.  

    Also, on this forum, we don't feed the trolls.  If you truly want to discuss this with someone, find a traditional Catholic priest who can guide your soul.


    Ok thank you I'll do that, please I have big ask, delete this post as seems now I cannot to that, the best whole thread. Thx

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    « Reply #6 on: February 25, 2014, 01:33:53 PM »
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  • The earliest Christians were manifestly not gnostic. In fact, the early Christians were bitter enemies of the gnostics.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06592a.htm


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    « Reply #7 on: February 25, 2014, 03:38:24 PM »
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    The earliest Christians were manifestly not gnostic. In fact, the early Christians were bitter enemies of the gnostics.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06592a.htm



    And here's St. Irenaeus' (my current avatar) Against Heresies, which is a monument of a book indicting gnostics.
    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103.htm

    Gnosticism is extremely evil, from what I can gather. All heresies are evil of course, it's just that there seems to be something particularly pernicious about gnosticism. It reminds me of the Fall when the serpent tempted Eve to eat of the Tree of Knowledge, saying that if she did so she would be equal to God: that's gnosticism in a nutshell, the idea that if you acquire this special knowledge you will be equal to God.
    Gnosticism is at the core of the New Age movement, which is satanic. Gnosticism is also at the root of much of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and Jєωιѕн Kabbalah, and I think that most of you know how destructive these have been; how instrumental they have been in Satan's gradual overthrow of Catholicism as we once knew it. I've also said in another thread about how Evolution savours of gnosticism, because there is this idea implicit in Evolution that mankind can become God through eugenics / breeding the "master race", and DNA becomes a kind of pantheistic "life force" and the desire to reproduce becomes the centre of all existence and of all of our acts and motivations. I believe that the indoctrination of children in public schools is tantamount to the people being inducted into a gnostic religion on a mass scale; Evolution shapes the most basic idea of how you look at the world, and the metaphysics and spirituality of Evolution is extremely far removed from the Faith.
    That the most important discovery in Gnostic history took place in 1945 (the Nag Hammadi library) makes me wonder about Providence. It seems that God is allowing Satan to have all the resources he needs to corrupt people.

    johnnyci, do you really think that God would keep himself hidden from mankind for about 2000 years and then reappear in obscure texts like those of the Nag Hammadi library (The Gospel of Thomas, etc.) and in books like the one you have read? When Christ established his Church upon Peter and promised that the gates of hell would never prevail against it? And what have been the fruits of these gnostic texts (because Christ says that we will know men by their fruits)? Have there been any great gnostic saints, martyrs, monks? From the tiniest bit of gnostic history that I know it seems as though that gnostics generally have always had a bad habit of practising occult rituals, of engaging in sɛҳuąƖ misconduct, of considering themselves to be gods and the rest of mankind as cattle to be lead according to their whims, etc. So what has happened since the discovery of "The Gospel of Thomas", etc.? Has there been a resurgence in Faith? Has there been a rush for monastic living, for evangelization and for martyrdom? It seems to me as though the world has only become more anti-christ, and that these texts have rather expedited that process rather than checked it.

    Quote from: 2 Peter 2:1
    But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction.


    There have always been false prophets misleading people. Read Against Heresies. The Gnostic Tactic of telling people that you have a special revelation from God and that you have the True Religion and the True God and that the mass of people don't have either is very ancient; it appeals to people's pride, the idea that most people don't get it and that you in particular have been chosen to become a god through instruction in esoteric wisdom. It's usually very easy to spot these liars because they tend to glorify themselves to an absurd degree, they present themselves as second Christs:

    Quote from: Matthew 24:5
    For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ: and they will seduce many.


    Your error is in thinking that we need a book from some modern academic or guru to save us, as though the last 2000 years of catholic tradition are irrelevant and were never really what God wanted anyway. This is the sheer arrogance of the modern world: the idea that the people before the modern world were savages and were superstitious, and that we are now entering into a New Age of spiritual enlightenment. This is all a demonic deception; it's the Devil appealing to men's pride. Truthfully, there has never been a more savage or superstitious age than our own; we are so backwards. For our savagery: see the World Wars. For our superstition: see the idea of "progress" (the idea that as history unfolds civilization becomes more civilized, humanity becomes human, truth becomes more true, etc.) and New Age "spirituality".

    I'm not well-read at all; I've barely read anything. However, from the very scant pieces I've read here and there I can perceive the footprints that the Devil has left throughout history and these footprints have often been in the shape of gnosticism. In antiquity it was the so-called Mystery Religions, the Pythagoreans, the "Christian Gnostics". In Medieval times it was the Rosicrucians and the Kabbalists. In modern times it's Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Theosophy and the New Age. It's like the Devil has been keeping his own hidden priesthood alive throughout all of the centuries, and it just so happens that now, though they are still quite hidden, this priesthood has come to power by replacing the Catholic Church as the spiritual authority in the world.

    You need to throw this stuff away, mate, the sooner the better. It is the Devil.
    God bless.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 25, 2014, 04:25:13 PM »
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  • Johnnyci - Hi. Although you landed here without understanding what the Catholic faith teaches, now we know to pray for you.

    May Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary, lead you to the true faith.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 26, 2014, 08:54:06 AM »
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  • why my post is still there but you removed links?
    I asked for remove thread.

    Also please do not pray for me because as Jesus said in Mathew: Father know better what we need before we ask. Pray do not work, this is satan idea to pray for current material things etc.
    We should only pray for god eventualy nothing else.

    Please can you delete this thread?

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    « Reply #10 on: February 26, 2014, 09:53:35 AM »
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  • Your thinking is totally convoluted and dysfunctional. You really need a priest, and MUCH prayer from good people who care for you.
    Don't be so full of pride to think you have all the answers. You're not even close.

    Only the moderator can delete a thread - you'll have to contact him.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 26, 2014, 10:16:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: McFiggly
    It reminds me of the Fall when the serpent tempted Eve to eat of the Tree of Knowledge...the New Age movement, which is satanic. Gnosticism is also at the root of much of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and Jєωιѕн Kabbalah...I believe that the indoctrination of children in public schools is tantamount to the people being inducted into a gnostic religion on a mass scale; Evolution shapes the most basic idea of how you look at the world, and the metaphysics and spirituality of Evolution is extremely far removed from the Faith....New Age "spirituality". I'm not well-read at all; I've barely read anything. However, from the very scant pieces I've read here and there I can perceive the footprints that the Devil.


    Good evening mate. I enjoyed reading your post. You seductively bring in many 'connect the dots' stuff, albeit veiled in your attempt to bring out evils affecting Trads whether they they 'see it' or not. (I agree with a lot you have here). For me, when I read a post like yours, it gets me to start thinking about stuff on a bigger scale in how it will affect me and how I will deal with it (or not deal with it); to 'connect the dots,'... and perhaps even selfishly, to first save my eternal soul, and help those I'm most obligated towards.  

    In a way though, its a bummer because it also reminds me how much more time I have wanted to research and look into  'convergence,' of the secular, religious, and world governments all morphing into each other in a unified perogative....right before our eyes, but hidden in plain sight.

    For example; a small part of what you mentioned: 'New Age' philosophy and theosophy have their roots in Alice Baily (some go further to H. Blavatsky era). In the late 1800's "Lucifer Magazine" under H.B. influenced the creation of "Lucifer Publishing Company" (they see Lucifer as 'Light bearer' as opposed to an evil persona) under Baily which later changed their name to 'Lucis Trust' - which today holds a recognized position as a NGO (non-government organization) in the U.N.... their influence and their beliefs are Luciferian which essentially believes in uniting all of the world religions (ala "Lumen Gentium" ~ to "Light of the Nations" in latin; which was a groundbreaking docuмent in V-II from, of all things from the Dogmatic Constitution of the Church to open the way to a new Ecclesiology that all religions can be a path to God...to 'Enlightenment') and removing belief in a supernatural realm or making your Heaven what you can get in this life and Hell the suffering in this life (hence feed the poor in and of itself without a connecting supernatural merit). Symbolically the UN address of Paul VI and his giving away the Papal Tiara...

    Sounding 'conspiratorial,' one can start looking at perogatives from the UN, Lucis Trust, Vatican Bank, and Secular (Bill Gates or the 6-10 Corporations that own everything you buy and their alleged meetings with Obama nationally and Bilderberger internationally, ...etc.) and look for common themes, goals, motives.... the list goes on. Doesn't take any deep thinking as it is common sense to follow either the paper trail or moral trail in studying their 'actions' and 'maneuvers' rather than paying attention to fake PR. I digress again. Sorry. My mind was stimulated there.

    For somebody (McFiggly) who claims to have 'barely read anything,'; ... at least for me, (and maybe only me);  I took interest and pleasure in what you had to say.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 28, 2014, 10:26:27 AM »
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  • A lot of people have written New-Age books, especially about the supposed, "gnostic Jesus.' The problem is, they usually pick passages out of scripture to prove their point. They do not consider the whole of scripture and tradition, or the Judaic roots of Catholicism.

    I'll bet that if one were to try to find proof of John Davidson's claims, or take his claims to their furthest point to find the basis, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. That's usually how it is with New-Age or gnostic views. No actual proof - just subjective opinion based on personal interpretation.

    Also, when it comes to reincarnation, what the New-Agers don't realize is that (if I recall correctly) it was believed by the early Church that we were not meant to be separated from our bodies at death. To be separated is a result of original sin. Our bodies were meant to be transformed, but still with us at death. At the last judgment, we will be once again united with our bodies. That eliminates the reincarnation aspect.

    It's so sad to see people taken in by the New-age or gnostic nonsense. There was a time long ago when I believed it, too. It can sound reasonable, but it is baseless. I hope that Johnnyci comes back to his senses, and gives up the gnostic nuttiness.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    « Reply #13 on: February 28, 2014, 10:58:01 AM »
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    Doesn't take any deep thinking as it is common sense to follow either the paper trail or moral trail in studying their 'actions' and 'maneuvers' rather than paying attention to fake PR.


    Indeed.  I always say, once you crack the code, it's ridiculously easy to see.  It's hiding in plain sight.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 28, 2014, 11:24:58 AM »
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    why my post is still there but you removed links?
    I asked for remove thread.

    Also please do not pray for me because as Jesus said in Mathew: Father know better what we need before we ask. Pray do not work, this is satan idea to pray for current material things etc.
    We should only pray for god eventualy nothing else.

    Please can you delete this thread?


    It is not the normal policy of the forum owner to delete topics.  There is still good information in some of the posts on this topic.

    He will, at times, edit posts to remove offensive material.  I didn't see this topic until now, so I presume that is what he did.

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