Author Topic: Glenn Beck Bishop Fulton Sheen (Read 4004 times)

Raoul76 · « **on:** August 12, 2011, 04:05:14 PM »

I don't think I'd ever watched more than a couple seconds of Glenn Beck before. Today I was watching one of his pro-Israel propaganda clips and suddenly the lightbulb went on. Now I know why so many American-patriot Catholics apparently have pro-Israel sympathies. This guy must trigger some kind of childhood memory in them of Bishop Fulton Sheen and so they swallow whatever he says. Wow, the theatrical mannerisms, the cadences in the voice, the slightly elevated and literary style of speech, are almost exactly the same ( Bishop Sheen was more literary ).

I will admit, I am not a fan of Bishop Sheen's style, which I find over-the-top. Some of his ideas were very unsound as well. But there is a strange, strange influence he has over the boomer Catholics and their parents, which I have seen first hand. They want to BE him, to have the deep, booming radio voice, to come up with fine-tuned phrases, etc. It's something that appeals to that generation rather than mine, and Glenn Beck is tapping into it. I get the feeling he is considered to be a great intellectual by them. It is a facade of intelligence, of course, a hammy routine.

The devil has done a number on certain older Catholics. In an age when liberal capitalism, already condemned by the Church, has shown its feet of clay in the biggest way possible, suddenly the Catholics are supporting it! They are behind even many pagans in their comprehension of current events. The funny thing is, Catholics were historically Democrats before the abortion issue came along. After that, by default, they became Republican -- and now they support Republican errors like unfettered liberal capitalism and the "war against terror." They believe 9/11 was done by Muslims with box-cutters, and that if taxes are raised it is socialism, etc., etc.

Think of it as a spell that is cast on a certain group. A younger trad Catholic would look at a Glenn Beck and think "Windbag, propagandist" but he exudes some kind of primal pseudo-intelligent "American-ness" that appeals to a certain generation that has been almost flattered to death to think that they are the greatest people ever, from the greatest country ever. Ironically, these tend to be the same people who constantly mock Russia for their propaganda. Russia doesn't hold a CANDLE to America when it comes to propaganda. No one in Russia really believed all that communist-paradise garbage, they were just afraid to say anything; in America, so many people really are deceived.

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #1 on:** August 12, 2011, 04:13:45 PM »

Hmm, I don't know. I don't think Glenn Beck has anything on Bishop Sheen. Sheen comes across as wise, Beck just comes across as a patronizing blowhard, even when he uses his 'indoor' voice (which is still just yelling).

Edit: I think Beck is trying to be dramatic, but he fails. He just doesn't have the same sort of stage presence that Bp. Sheen had.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #2 on:** August 12, 2011, 04:18:14 PM »

I tend to agree with LeFebvre_fan. I don't see any connection between Bishop Sheen and Glenn Beck.

Daegus · « **Reply #3 on:** August 12, 2011, 04:27:17 PM »

Glenn Beck is a hack who has nothing more than deep baritone theatrics to impress people. He, like the rest of the media, is nothing more than a Zionist, pro-Israel shill. Media pundits like Beck would love to have you believe that there's any real difference between modern liberalism and modern conservatism. Both of these things, which are all apart of a modernist paradigm, are 2 sides of the same coin and will all eventually lead to the same Masonic goal of a one world state.

There is no difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican. People need to learn this fact, get away from the TV for just a couple of minutes and think things through.

Bishop Sheen and Beck have nothing in common. Bishop Sheen was, to my knowledge, a defender of the faith. The same thing cannot be said for Glenn Beck, who, on the other hand, is a lapsed Catholic who was not properly educated. I don't even find that there are similarities in the ways that they talk. When Bishop Sheen spoke, by virtue of his episcopal dignity and his resonating voice, he commanded the attention of all those he was addressing. All Glenn Beck does is yell and hope that people will listen. Whereas Sheen will teach virtue, Beck will teach decadence, and so on and so fourth.

Santo Subito · « **Reply #4 on:** August 12, 2011, 04:46:37 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

I will admit, I am not a fan of Bishop Sheen's style, which I find over-the-top. Some of his ideas were very unsound as well.

Which ones are those?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2011, 04:54:15 PM »

Quote from: Santo Subito

Quote from: Raoul76
I will admit, I am not a fan of Bishop Sheen's style, which I find over-the-top. Some of his ideas were very unsound as well.

Which ones are those?

I'm guessing he means the beliefs Sheen adopted following Vatican II, although he did repent for doing that near his death.

Santo Subito · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2011, 05:17:18 PM »

Which ideas are those?

Do you have any citations for the proposition he repented of certain ideas before his death?

Thanks.

Man of the West · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:13:09 PM »

Quote from: Raoul

The devil has done a number on certain older Catholics. In an age when liberal capitalism, already condemned by the Church, has shown its feet of clay in the biggest way possible, suddenly the Catholics are supporting it! They are behind even many pagans in their comprehension of current events. The funny thing is, Catholics were historically Democrats before the abortion issue came along. After that, by default, they became Republican -- and now they support Republican errors like unfettered liberal capitalism and the "war against terror." They believe 9/11 was done by Muslims with box-cutters, and that if taxes are raised it is socialism, etc., etc.

I'm not sure what particular subclimate of Catholic culture you are exposed to on a daily basis, so I do not want to be too quick to dismiss your perceptions; however, the description you've given of older Catholics is simply not true at all in the aggregate. The older Novus Ordo Catholics (Boomers and Silent) are overwhelmingly liberal Democrats. The Welfare State is their baby; they agree with it lock, stock, and barrel. They love Socialism, labor unions, the Kennedys, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, The Great Society, The Civil Rights movement, ecuмenism, sɛҳuąƖ liberation, the Department of Education, etc. They believe these things to be the very incarnation of true Catholic society (you know, "helping the poor" and other such sentimental slogans). The Democratic Party's affiliation with the pro-abort movement has not been much of a deterrence to them whatsoever. In fact, the tepid resistence and often downright sympathy they show whenever the issue is broached, is evidence that they could really care less about it, if not secretly approve of it. In the 40 years' time since Roe v. Wade, the Chruch hierarchy could have ended legalized abortion if it had been the least bit serious about doing so. But as it so happens, the well-connected network of liberal think-tanks (of which the USCCB is one) and their friends in government and academia have succeeded in turning the Conciliar Church into a propaganda arm and fund-raising apparatus of the Democratic Party, with the general consent of all concerned.

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They believe 9/11 was done by Muslims with box-cutters...

It was. And believeing otherwise is no credit to a man of your obvious intelligence, nor does it redound to the building up of Christ's Kingdom by as much as a single clod of earth. Until I came to this forum, I never would have thought that the pernicious trope of 9/11 Trutherism would find such a happy home among so many Trad Catholics. I'm still trying to figure out what this development means, but it is a blight on an otherwise very necessary countercultural resistence.

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...and that if taxes are raised it is socialism, etc., etc.

Do you really think the US government needs any more money? Do you really think they would not use it to advance more anti-Catholic social reforms?

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There is no difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican. People need to learn this fact, get away from the TV for just a couple of minutes and think things through.

There is a HUGE difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican. To take but a few recent examples, it was Republican Senators who killed the Cap-and-Trade bill which would have allowed Obama's EPA to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, to the ruination of the American economy; it was Bart Stupak, Democrat and "Catholic," whose last-minute capitulation gave us the monstrosity known as Obamacare; it was Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Mario Cuomo, Democrats and "Catholics," whose example has given two generations of Novus Ordites the erroneous belief that they can, in good conscience, vote for a pro-abort politician, as long as he is also working hard to ~~advance the socialist revolution~~ help the poor. The difference between the two major parties is both vast and decisive.

Now, I am a Monarchist and hence no fan of democracies in general; but any Catholic who finds himself, as we do, in the unfortunate circuмstances of living under a democracy through no fault of his own, must make every effort to assist Christ's Kingdom through the franchise he has been given.

Your vote matters. It matters very much. And you will be held responsible to God for what you do with it.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:30:54 PM »

Quote from: Santo Subito

Which ideas are those?

Do you have any citations for the proposition he repented of certain ideas before his death?

Thanks.

Like his secular Saints: Martin Luther King, JFK and Dag Hammerskold.

His frequent use of Freudian psychoanalysis, although it can be argued, I guess, that it has some validity as a tool for discussing people's behavior.

His unqualified love for the New Mass and the Council.

Other Periti were coming back home and predicting that nothing but ill would come out of the Council, and they were right.

And his Americanism.

Daegus · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:32:14 PM »

When I said that there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans, I was not talking about how the two parties harbor different kinds of people. I was talking about how both parties are very much alike in how both parties are anti-Christ because they are anti-Catholic, and how both parties feed into the hands of the Zionist Masons who are trying to destroy America and the rest of the world. Both parties ultimately achieve the same goal of a one world government, and you would have to be truly blind to not see that we have been heading down that direction for a LONG time.

Hopefully you don't start telling me that the Zionist Masons don't exist, because I think I will cry then.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:33:24 PM »

Quote from: Man of the West

Quote from: Raoul
The devil has done a number on certain older Catholics. In an age when liberal capitalism, already condemned by the Church, has shown its feet of clay in the biggest way possible, suddenly the Catholics are supporting it! They are behind even many pagans in their comprehension of current events. The funny thing is, Catholics were historically Democrats before the abortion issue came along. After that, by default, they became Republican -- and now they support Republican errors like unfettered liberal capitalism and the "war against terror." They believe 9/11 was done by Muslims with box-cutters, and that if taxes are raised it is socialism, etc., etc.

I'm not sure what particular subclimate of Catholic culture you are exposed to on a daily basis, so I do not want to be too quick to dismiss your perceptions; however, the description you've given of older Catholics is simply not true at all in the aggregate. The older Novus Ordo Catholics (Boomers and Silent) are overwhelmingly liberal Democrats. The Welfare State is their baby; they agree with it lock, stock, and barrel. They love Socialism, labor unions, the Kennedys, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, The Great Society, The Civil Rights movement, ecuмenism, sɛҳuąƖ liberation, the Department of Education, etc. They believe these things to be the very incarnation of true Catholic society (you know, "helping the poor" and other such sentimental slogans). The Democratic Party's affiliation with the pro-abort movement has not been much of a deterrence to them whatsoever. In fact, the tepid resistence and often downright sympathy they show whenever the issue is broached, is evidence that they could really care less about it, if not secretly approve of it. In the 40 years' time since Roe v. Wade, the Chruch hierarchy could have ended legalized abortion if it had been the least bit serious about doing so. But as it so happens, the well-connected network of liberal think-tanks (of which the USCCB is one) and their friends in government and academia have succeeded in turning the Conciliar Church into a propaganda arm and fund-raising apparatus of the Democratic Party, with the general consent of all concerned.

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They believe 9/11 was done by Muslims with box-cutters...

It was. And believeing otherwise is no credit to a man of your obvious intelligence, nor does it redound to the building up of Christ's Kingdom by as much as a single clod of earth. Until I came to this forum, I never would have thought that the pernicious trope of 9/11 Trutherism would find such a happy home among so many Trad Catholics. I'm still trying to figure out what this development means, but it is a blight on an otherwise very necessary countercultural resistence.

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...and that if taxes are raised it is socialism, etc., etc.

Do you really think the US government needs any more money? Do you really think they would not use it to advance more anti-Catholic social reforms?

Quote from: Daegus
There is no difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican. People need to learn this fact, get away from the TV for just a couple of minutes and think things through.

There is a HUGE difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican. To take but a few recent examples, it was Republican Senators who killed the Cap-and-Trade bill which would have allowed Obama's EPA to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, to the ruination of the American economy; it was Bart Stupak, Democrat and "Catholic," whose last-minute capitulation gave us the monstrosity known as Obamacare; it was Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Mario Cuomo, Democrats and "Catholics," whose example has given two generations of Novus Ordites the erroneous belief that they can, in good conscience, vote for a pro-abort politician, as long as he is also working hard to ~~advance the socialist revolution~~ help the poor. The difference between the two major parties is both vast and decisive.

Now, I am a Monarchist and hence no fan of democracies in general; but any Catholic who finds himself, as we do, in the unfortunate circuмstances of living under a democracy through no fault of his own, must make every effort to assist Christ's Kingdom through the franchise he has been given.

Your vote matters. It matters very much. And you will be held responsible to God for what you do with it.

Mr Western Man! I see you are new here! Need to go and educate yourself a bit before you come on here and try to debate.
There isn't a lick of difference between Democrats and Republicans. There USED to be, but not now.
They serve the Zionist nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr which is being put intp place.

BTW, PLEASE dont speak for older Americans. There are some sharp, knowledgeable ones out there. [/b

Raoul76 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2011, 12:59:04 PM »

Love ya, Ems! Ha ha. Yes, this isn't about age, just about a resistance to lies, which is a gift of God.

I have a friend who is 81, and when I first met him about two years ago, he was the most die-hard patriot out there. World War II vet, America is the greatest country ever, hated the monarchy, the Iraq war was all about helping the oppressed, etc. Two years after being exposed to me, he now says the seeds of our own destruction are right there in the Constitution. If I've ever worked one miracle in my lifetime, through the power of God of course, this was it. And it worked the other way, since he helped me come around to Fatima which I ridiculously used to deny.

Well, no one believed me when I said there was a similarity between Bishop Sheen and Glenn Beck in terms of their rhetorical style. But did they notice someone in this thread has a Bishop Sheen icon ( Santo Subito ) and that elsewhere on this board he also praises Glenn Beck?

I'm not saying that everyone who likes Bishop Sheen will like Glenn Beck. I'm saying that boomer worshippers of Bishop Sheen like Glenn Beck, very, very often. I explained it in the Glenn Beck thread, it has to do with blind American patriotism. Bishop Sheen, clearly, is a "Cold War" figure who trafficked in a sort of primal America-good, Russia-bad philosophy. He is virtually unknown in Europe but he is worshipped here. That tells me what I need to know.

People are saying in this thread that Bishop Sheen's speaking style is noble and eloquent and so on, while Beck is a blowhard... Um, Bishop Sheen is VERY over-the-top and hammy. I cannot imagine how anyone can't see that. However, I'll take back what I said yesterday about not liking his style. If I felt he were really telling the full truth, and he had the same style, I'd probably learn to like it. The style ultimately doesn't matter; the message is what matters. St. Louis de Montfort, I believe, had a kind of over-the-top speaking style and people considered him crazy. You can kind of see it in his writings, they are very elaborate like those of Bishop Sheen. But St. Louis de Montfort praised Mary, while Bishop Sheen praised John XXIII and Teilhard de Chardin ( and of course, filthy American democracy ).

Santo, here is the video of Bishop Sheen rhapsodizing about Vatican II, which probably won't bother you considering your name. Really, really disturbing video that no one wants to face, although I hear he had another of those famous "deathbed conversions."

Telesphorus · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2011, 02:32:35 PM »

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He is virtually unknown in Europe but he is worshipped here.

Because he was on American TV?

Whatever criticisms you might level at Bishop Sheen, suggesting that being unknown in Europe "tells you what you need to know" is hardly a reasonable proposition.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2011, 03:04:44 PM »

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The older Novus Ordo Catholics (Boomers and Silent) are overwhelmingly liberal Democrats.

While I can see where you're coming from on this I think it depends to an extent where one is located.

You're onto something though about the "secret" approval of Roe vs Wade.

There's no doubt that the "Greatest Generation" was already living in a sɛҳuąƖly revolutionized society - it's just that the war on the family hadn't commenced in full force yet.

Santo Subito · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:17:15 PM »

Raoul,

Your argument seems to have inherent contradictions. On the one hand he opposed Communism and Russia out of some sort of blind patriotism, yet on the other hand he praised "opening the doors of the Church to Communists". Which is it?

I nowhere "praised" Glen Beck in any reasonable sense of the word. I noted that he was more entertaining and not as predictable as Rush or Hannity. I think Beck is over the top sometimes and overly dramatic and, of course, his solutions only go so far because they don't have the Catholic element. On the other hand, his ability to build suspense and his sense of hunor (along with his co-hosts) poking needed fun at the inanity of the Obama administration, makes for entertaining, if not exactly high-brow, theater.

I would in no way compare Abp. Sheen to Glenn Beck. Sheen was a master of Catholic Truth and had wisdom and insight that Beck is incapable of. He was also much more cultured and classically educated than Beck. He was inspiring in a way Beck only wished he was.