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Offline Matthew

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Ggreg is banned from CathInfo
« on: January 29, 2015, 10:30:32 AM »
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  • Ggreg has finally done it.

    He brought up (for the Xth time) a mistake I made in a water leak calculation, in a malicious attempt to undermine my public credibility. That was the last straw.

    He has a distinct animus against a huge swath of Trads -- he barely tolerates them sometimes. Being as this is a Trad board -- where we prefer homeschooling to public schooling, the country to the city, time with our family to a higher-paying job, books to TV, and working a Catholic-friendly job to making more money, I have my doubts that he belongs here.

    I have seen plenty of posts by him that I agreed with, so for years I resisted the occasional urge to ban him. I wish I could just ban half of him, but obviously that isn't possible.

    I agree with his dedication to hard work and extended, applied effort. Some Trads really need to hear that.

    But occasionally his (hatred?) of many aspects of the Trad movement. Believing in unpopular conspiracies, for example, tweaks his human respect and makes him embarrassed, and then watch out!

    I frequently get the impression -- the correct impression, in my opinion -- that Ggreg is embarrassed to be called a Trad. This embarrassment manifests itself as an animosity towards those Trads who are examples of the "kind of trad" he is embarrassed by. Conspiracy-believers, the unemployed, the under-employed, the non-successful, the idealistic, etc.

    It's like he's trying to change the reputation of the Trad movement one Trad at a time, by attacking those who "give Trads a bad name". It's a mission he "feels" and gets behind with all his being.
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    Offline Matthew

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    Ggreg is banned from CathInfo
    « Reply #1 on: January 29, 2015, 10:57:18 AM »
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  • I am all for allowing a wide variety of people on CathInfo, including a token few "hecklers" or those who don't agree with me.

    For the sake of the truth, I put up with the "annoyance" of certain individuals so that they might keep us Truthers honest. After all, who wants to be in possession of bad information?

    And remember, Ggreg has been here for quite some time. If I just banned him the first time he disagreed with (or annoyed) me, it would have happened long, long ago.

    But what I won't tolerate is being "called out", or being called stupid publicly. I also won't tolerate an ongoing agenda of working to destroy my credibility. I am also quite upset about his complete lack of compassion (his #1 fault in my opinion) especially when I am on the receiving end. He is a very cold individual. He assumes that everyone was dealt the same cards he was dealt.

    I have a standing challenge that so far has not been answered. If anyone can show me a forum where you can publicly call out the owner and despise him, then there are quite a few people I'll agree to un-ban.

    But if I went on Fisheaters and called Vox names, I'd be banned instantly. Ditto for any other Trad forum out there.

    There is a limit to my "tolerance". Past a certain point, tolerance becomes mere weakness and/or lack of testosterone. I assure you, neither of these is an issue for me.
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    « Reply #2 on: January 29, 2015, 11:29:05 AM »
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  • You did the right thing.  I am surprised of his endorsement of public schools, and conciliar
    parochial schools are no different.
    They teach things in those schools that were unthinkable when I attended both parochial schools
    and public schools in the 1950's and early 1960's.
    When I graduated in 1962 there was still no hint of the revolution to come.
    Home schooling is now the best.  

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    « Reply #3 on: January 29, 2015, 11:57:59 AM »
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  • Gregg was more geared to striving for success and accomplishments in this world than in the next, which is one thing, but ya just don't slam the forum owner no matter what - especially not for that and not on a trad forum.

    Sorry to see him gone but certainly understand and certainly agree.
    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis

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    « Reply #4 on: January 29, 2015, 12:09:46 PM »
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  • It is strange how quickly he could turn. He had posts I agreed with but obviously there was alot we disagreed over. Personal attacks are a no-no though. He took it over the line and he wasn't looking back.

    Good news is that gulaggreg isn't taken yet!

    Or is it...?
    Fortuna finem habet.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 29, 2015, 06:37:43 PM »
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  • I somehow missed Greg's latest comments about the water calculation issue, but I remember his initial posts on the original water calculation problem thread, and he was way out of line even then. I couldn't understand why he was attacking Matthew so strongly. It didn't make rational sense at all.

    I agree that he has been embarrassed by trads whom he believed to have extreme views, or views not in keeping with his version of tradition. Maybe he doesn't want the cause of tradition to be associated with certain views. I hope that Greg will realize that there are quite a few differing views about tradition, and his view isn't the one that everyone needs to adhere to.

    And just because someone has been successful in the business world, it doesn't qualify them to tell others what to think. Maybe, too, the English don't really understand Americans very well. We are kinda different....especially American trads, but that's not a bad thing.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 29, 2015, 07:26:58 PM »
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  • Ggreg's mindset is more or less due to the royal crown social engineering Britons into thinking the way they think - some of which is embedded into the very deepest layers of their subconscious in opposing the Catholicity of mind, Faith and works. Catholics living in Britain need to deprogram themselves from this mentality. The royal crown is an age-old diabolical entity since they broke away from the true Catholic Church. The royal crown and their fake church - the "church of England" (and it's many protestant anti-Christ subsets in Wales and Scotland) - hate the Truth of Christ that can only be attained in His Mystical Body - the Church. The royal crown is a judaizer, too, for it serves the interests of the heavily jew-stocked Bank of England. Time for the Catholic Church to resist and destroy these enemies of Christ.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    « Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 07:54:42 PM »
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  • I'm surprised that garnered 10 thumbs up. I'm rather disappointed to see him gone. I disagree with him on several things and think his overall outlook is too influenced by the world, but he added a useful point of view in many conversations.


    God bless, Greg. I'll remember you and your family in my next Rosary.
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    « Reply #8 on: January 29, 2015, 07:57:59 PM »
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  • Nikolas,

    Nice attempt to take advantage of the situation to get in some pro-Fellay jabs.

    1. You find me anywhere on CathInfo where Bishop Fellay is called "stupid".
    2. I'm not compromising the Faith like Bishop Fellay is -- so even if a person was stating the truths (or opinions) that he's compromising, seeking a deal with Rome, changing the SSPX, etc. it wouldn't necessarily be just to apply that to another individual NOT guilty of that. Capiche?
    Complaining about the Great Whore's unchastity (whose hits include "Cherish", "Like a Prayer", etc.) is fair game. But complaining about "YOUR unchastity" would be slander -- you're not a public sinner against the Sixth Commandment like she is! Unlike the case of the Great Whore, there is no evidence, public or otherwise, that you are unchaste.
    3. Even if you found something disagreeing, critical, etc. about Bishop Fellay, I dare you to try to post that on a forum owned or run by the SSPX. It wouldn't last a second.

    Long story short -- you can't expect a forum owner to sponsor criticism of his own self ON HIS DIME. As the saying goes, "not on my dime". I'm paying for this forum, so I get to decide what gets exposure.

    And don't play the hypocrite. From the greatest to the least of you, NONE of you would allow the same if you were in my place. Don't pretend or kid yourselves. Let's keep it real, shall we.

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    Ggreg is banned from CathInfo
    « Reply #9 on: January 29, 2015, 08:12:02 PM »
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  • I will miss reading Greg's prudent advice on this forum.  

    I know he is cutting, but I've always chalked it up to that famed English wit we hear about every now and then.  I was actually interested in what he was saying about the school issue lately, as well as my specific question for him about that hostile atheist, Captain Capitalism aka Aaron Clarey.  

    I blame myself, though.  I should have known that the schooling issue was a hot-button topic for which he's always had contrary advice.  I could have PM'd him.  For that, I apologize, Greg.  

    Yet, this is Matt's forum, and he can do what he wants.

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    I am all for allowing a wide variety of people on CathInfo, including a token few "hecklers" or those who don't agree with me.

    For the sake of the truth, I put up with the "annoyance" of certain individuals so that they might keep us Truthers honest. After all, who wants to be in possession of bad information?

    And remember, Ggreg has been here for quite some time. If I just banned him the first time he disagreed with (or annoyed) me, it would have happened long, long ago.

    But what I won't tolerate is being "called out", or being called stupid publicly. I also won't tolerate an ongoing agenda of working to destroy my credibility


    Not every forum knows how to tolerate an antagonist.  Not every forum realizes the worth of a devil's advocate, a gadfly, or the socratic dialectic.  If you block such people out, all you'll end up with is an emotional echo chamber that encourages brown-nosing and groupthink.  

    And with that, I can say that Cathinfo has, for me, been a good forum.  I know I upset a lot of fellas on here with what I said about sedevacantism over a year ago.  As do other anti-sedes.  But good talk stems from it all.  Not to mention that the antagonist is actually generating traffic for the forum.  I think Matt is aware of this.  It's a shame that echo chambers out there such as CAF and The Echo Chamber itself don't realize that bit of common sense.

    Might I suggest perhaps only a banning period, rather than a permament ban?  It sucks to be forcibly and permamently separated from long-known colleagues after being ostracized from a community.  Say one month, to three, to six at most?  

    I've always liked Cathinfo's fiery talk.  It has been an island in a lake of feminine-driven Catholic forums (excluding Te Deum, which I also enjoy).  Please consider my idea.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 29, 2015, 11:05:14 PM »
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  • It's obviously not my place to judge. And I wont. I am reminded that the devil mixes truth with lies.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 22, 2015, 04:17:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    I will miss reading Greg's prudent advice on this forum.


    As will I.

    I learned of his banning mere hours ago—and I regret to say that I learned of it from several snide remarks on another thread, remarks made by people who should be ashamed of themselves for acting like spiteful children at the bottom of their high school class.

    Needless to say, I hope, it matters not at all whether I or anyone else thinks the punishment fits the crime or even whether Matthew's explanation corresponds with what an impartial observer might see as having taken place. When it comes to membership, the sole salient point is that this site belongs to Matthew, and he gets to decide who's in and who's out. I know of no one who would have it any other way.
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    I have no idea whether ggreg will ever see the following comment, but I am posting it on the off chance he will.

    I had disagreements with him from time to time. So what? The fact remains that he was one of only three or four commenters whose remarks I have found consistently worth reading, primarily because he often showed evidence of having thought before he typed—a pattern of action all too many commenters hereabouts seem to regard as somehow un-Catholic.

    May I add, too, that I am singularly unimpressed by all these complaints about ggreg's so-called worldliness. For one thing, it's pretty plain that he was given certain talents by his Maker, talents he seems to have put to good use rather than bury in the ground. There is some rather weighty authority in Scripture and Tradition favoring such a course of action, as perhaps a few of ggreg's tireless bashers might just recall. For another thing, it would do all our computer- and cellphone-owning self-proclaimed wooers and admirers of Lady Poverty no harm to recollect that poverty, like work and ill health and death, is a Fall-generated evil of the human condition, not a good. All of those (including me) who find themselves in the lady's embrace are under orders of divine origin to make the best of a bad situation in this life so as to gain a reward in the next, but it is hardly proper or admirable to sneer at or stand haughtily aloof from those (e.g., ggreg) whose earthly burdens do not include material poverty. Some people here seem to require regular reminders that no terrestrial condition is free of trials, temptations, and challenges. (Since such reminders seem as scarce as 90-degree days in February, those who fit my just-offered description may consider this their first.)

    But this is by no means all there is to say. How quickly people forget ggreg's more than occasional offers of sound advice and practical assistance to other CI members! In this sphere he has put virtually everyone else using this site, again including me, to shame. Unbanned members here talk and talk and talk and talk about the spiritual and corporal works of mercy, but I am willing to bet that no other commenter has backed up such talk with action to the extent that ggreg has. What's more, I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I saw any expression of gratitude for ggreg's generous offers and actions and counsel. Indeed, subtracting LaramieHirsch frequently reduces the number of thankers to zero.

    May God bless and keep ggreg and his family. I repeat, I shall miss him.

    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    « Reply #12 on: February 22, 2015, 05:39:13 PM »
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  • I always enjoyed Ggreg's posts but think abanning was in order.  I liked the guy and hope he truly is a Traditional Catholic and that we were only getting part of the picture here on this forum reading his posts.  I often did tell Ggreg that he had too much world in him but none of it was based on envy because wealth and world are separate.  

    Ggreg's posts were interesting but to try to publicly embarrass Matthew over a math equation of absolutely no consequence whatsoever is, to put it mildly, bad form.  

    Overall, Ggreg was a good poster, an intelligent guy, and I will miss him.  

    I did think it was strange that he was/is so fascinated with fixing household appliances but we all have hobbies so to each their own as long as it is harmless.


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    « Reply #13 on: February 22, 2015, 05:39:34 PM »
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  • Hey Greg I liked you and all but if the boss says you gotta go........ :cool:


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    « Reply #14 on: February 22, 2015, 06:33:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    I did think it was strange that he was/is so fascinated with fixing household appliances but we all have hobbies so to each their own as long as it is harmless.


    The older I get, the greater the respect I feel for people who are good with their hands. I wasn't particularly adept as a young man, and now that the grave is just round the next bend, I'm at a loss if a task requires tools more complex than a screwdriver and scotch tape.

    If ggreg ever came to New York, I'd love to get him to take a whack at fixing my toaster oven.

     

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