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Offline jman123

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fun project!!!
« on: September 27, 2012, 11:46:40 AM »
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  • Let's see how the bill of Rights should be rewritten in light of Catholic teaching. I will post the original Bill of rights and the post cινιℓ ωαr amendment below and then you people could copy it and write what you think it should be in light of Catholic teachings. Let's have a lively discussion on our mock rewriting of the bill of rights under Catholic teaching.
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    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment II

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Amendment III

    No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    Amendment VII

    In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Amendment VIII

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    AMENDMENT XIV
    Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section 2.
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    Section 3.
    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in ιnѕυrrєcтισn or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    Section 4.
    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing ιnѕυrrєcтισn or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of ιnѕυrrєcтισn or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    Section 5.
    The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

    *Changed by section 1 of the 26th amendment.


    Offline Marlelar

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    fun project!!!
    « Reply #1 on: September 27, 2012, 07:35:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: jman123
    Let's see how the bill of Rights should be rewritten in light of Catholic teaching. I will post the original Bill of rights and the post cινιℓ ωαr amendment below and then you people could copy it and write what you think it should be in light of Catholic teachings. Let's have a lively discussion on our mock rewriting of the bill of rights under Catholic teaching.
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    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


    Aside from the establishment clause, what parts of the Bill of Rights fall outside (traditional) Catholic teaching?  I don't know enough about Catholic teaching and government to be able to comment further on the Bill of Rights.

    On the other hand, considering what modernism has done to the Church perhaps we are fortunate that we can freely exercise our traditional faith without government intrusion.  If the NO had the force of "law" behind it we might all be in prison or worse.  I shudder to think what life would be like under the thumb of the NO, not only in spiritual matters, but financial (think Vatican bank scandals), and political matters.  Imagine a whole country run like the Vatican!  Of course it would be entirely different if governed by traditional Catholic teaching, with honorable men at the helm.  In the mean time perhaps God allowed governments to be secularized to provide a buffer between those who would keep the faith and those who would corrupt it.  At least the corrupters can't throw us in dungeons!

    Marsha


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    fun project!!!
    « Reply #2 on: September 27, 2012, 08:37:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    Quote from: jman123
    Let's see how the bill of Rights should be rewritten in light of Catholic teaching. I will post the original Bill of rights and the post cινιℓ ωαr amendment below and then you people could copy it and write what you think it should be in light of Catholic teachings. Let's have a lively discussion on our mock rewriting of the bill of rights under Catholic teaching.
    ==============================================
    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


    Aside from the establishment clause, what parts of the Bill of Rights fall outside (traditional) Catholic teaching?  I don't know enough about Catholic teaching and government to be able to comment further on the Bill of Rights.

    On the other hand, considering what modernism has done to the Church perhaps we are fortunate that we can freely exercise our traditional faith without government intrusion.  If the NO had the force of "law" behind it we might all be in prison or worse.  I shudder to think what life would be like under the thumb of the NO, not only in spiritual matters, but financial (think Vatican bank scandals), and political matters.  Imagine a whole country run like the Vatican!  Of course it would be entirely different if governed by traditional Catholic teaching, with honorable men at the helm.  In the mean time perhaps God allowed governments to be secularized to provide a buffer between those who would keep the faith and those who would corrupt it.  At least the corrupters can't throw us in dungeons!

    Marsha


     You have a good point :thinking:

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 10:20:03 AM »
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  • Well this thread didn't get much attention, did it?


    It could very well be that the TITLE of the thread is the problem.  Nobody is
    going to know what's here by reading,



                                           "fun project!!!"



    Who could possibly guess that means the Bill of Rights?
    Who could possibly guess that means asking for suggestions?
    Who could possibly guess that means alternative versions of a docuмent?
    Who could possibly guess that means looking for new ideas?

    There are many international members here, some of whom do not know what
    the "Bill of Rights" is, and even if they did, why would they care?


    It seems to me there could be a number of readers on the forum who would
    be interested in this "project," but since the title of the thread is very poorly
    chosen, it is ironic that the content of the Bill of Rights is up for question when
    the author can't seem to put into words what it is he's trying to accomplish so
    as to give the title, the only thing visible to viewers looking at the Index page,
    some hint of what the thread is for.  If you want to suggest an improvement
    on the Bill of Rights, the FIRST PLACE to demonstrate how words can be better
    chosen to accomplish an objective would be what you type into that little title
    window before you click on "Create Thread."








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