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++Fulton J. Sheen
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  • Fifty years ago, I recall watching Bishop Sheen on the tele. I was just a lad then but it seemed everyone watched him. It's been said that he had millions of views per week, and, as a result, won a Peabody Award.

    Off and on for over a year, I've been re-watching some of his programs on JewTube and something struck me. Maybe some of you have noticed this, maybe not. Yes, he talked about the angles, the Blessed Mother, and topics of social interest but, the one thing that I particularly noticed was that in all of his programs he never once mentioned the need for anyone to convert to the One True Faith out of which no one can be saved nor did he ever mention the Social Kingship of Christ. My guess is that's why he was so lauded. He preached a comfortable religion that could be accepted by just about everyone. I find this troubling since now he's considered Venerable. I recall, watching one of his later talks in colour, probably in the 80's to a group of hundreds of Protestants and was even introduced by a Protestant "preacher". Again, a nice pleasant talk about "religion" with not even a hint of Catholic doctrine. Maybe I'm being too harsh. Maybe many were brought into the Church because of him; we'll never know this side of the grave. I sincerely hope I am right in this. Maybe, too, he understood, that by laying things on the line would drive people away.

    One thing is for certain, if Fr Denis Fahey would have been around and been able to access the tele he most likely wouldn't have lasted a week, if that. And, Fr Caughlin would even have made it on screen.

    I couldn't find anything where he talked about Vatican II, but it's likely he accepted it without much of a whimper.

    Having said that, there is no doubt that he was one of the most brilliant speakers of the 20th Century as well as a brilliant man.

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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #1 on: November 27, 2017, 06:29:26 PM »
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  • He certainly did bring people into the church.

    Read up on Bishop Sheen and Bella Dodd.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2017, 06:46:16 PM »
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  • He certainly did bring people into the church.

    Read up on Bishop Sheen and Bella Dodd.
    I have School of Darkness by Bella Dodd. It's a great book and, yes, +Sheen did bring her back into the Church.
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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2017, 08:38:30 PM »
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  • Bella Dodd wanted to "out" the infiltrating bishops she helped put in place, but Bishop Sheen told her not to.

    Bishop Sheen's show used to go on opposite Milton Berle's.  The bishop would call him "Miltie" and he would call him "Fultie."

    Bishop Sheen said that he would have to talk generically about God on this show, as it was not for Catholics only.  He did attend Vatican II and went Novus Ordo.  Did he regret that before he died?  No, he was no Fr. Feeney.

    It is said that Fr. Coughlin was later sorry he (Fr. Coughlin) did so much politically, and did not defend the Mass more. 
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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #4 on: November 28, 2017, 07:27:57 AM »
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  • Bella Dodd wanted to "out" the infiltrating bishops she helped put in place, but Bishop Sheen told her not to.

    Bishop Sheen's show used to go on opposite Milton Berle's.  The bishop would call him "Miltie" and he would call him "Fultie."

    Bishop Sheen said that he would have to talk generically about God on this show, as it was not for Catholics only.  He did attend Vatican II and went Novus Ordo.  Did he regret that before he died?  No, he was no Fr. Feeney.

    It is said that Fr. Coughlin was later sorry he (Fr. Coughlin) did so much politically, and did not defend the Mass more.
    Those are some really interesting comments. "...but Bishop Sheen told her not to"? 😳 "Miltie" and Fultie" huh! Sounds like they were real pals. I saw Berle once in the late 70's; he opened for Sinatra. Berle gave out one of filthiest "acts" I'd seen in a long time. I was no choirboy but I was embarrassed. But "Miltie" was your typical Joo, so I guess that figures.

    +Sheen knew all the big-shots in Joo Nork, so I guess it's not surprising that he was given a 'Peabody Award'. Given what you wrote, it's no surprise either that +Sheen went along with Vatican II.

    I'm still a bit shocked at that revelation about the commies Dodd put in place and Sheen's response since he often talked about Communism on the tele.

    Thanks for the information.

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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #5 on: November 28, 2017, 08:22:23 AM »
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  • Please read the following post, especially the comments section:

    http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2016/01/eternal-life-is-worth-attaining.html?m=1

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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 08:30:33 AM »
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  • Here's the article in the link, it says it all.

    Introibo Ad Altare Dei
    The World as Seen from a Traditionalist Catholic Perspective

    Monday, January 4, 2016
     
    Eternal Life Is Worth Attaining


     Recently, I came across an old video cassette from the 1980s put out by a group in New Jersey known as "Catholics United For The Faith." It was an old black and white recording of the (then) Monsignor, later Bishop, Fulton J. Sheen offering Midnight Mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC. Fr. DePauw had just come out with the first and best-to-date video of himself offering the True Mass at the Ave Maria Chapel in Westbury, NY (June 1986). I'm happy to say that both my father and mother (God rest their souls) and yours truly, appear when the congregation goes up to receive Holy Communion. The video was for people who couldn't get to a True Mass, as well as those who were afraid to travel and attend the Chapel because they would be "excommunicated." Fr. DePauw had a 15 minute introduction explaining what the True Mass was and why it could not and should not be changed to a Protestant service. The Vatican II sect was outraged that the video became so popular, but were unable to find something to take people away from that "schismatic priest" and put desperately needed money in their greedy pockets.

      Hence, the so-called "Catholics (sic) United For The (pseudo-)Faith" resurrected the old Bp. Sheen video to compete. Remember, there was no FSSP at the time, and most priests who were ordained before Vatican II either were "rusty" with the Latin and rubrics, which wouldn't make a good video, or they were thoroughly Modernist and hated even the thought of offering the real Mass again. But no worries! They had a video of  "America's Bishop" a man known for his sanctity, learning, and orthodoxy, unlike the "schismatic" and even "heretical" Fr. DePauw!   The "conservative" Vatican II sect members mostly fell for it. Little did they know that Bp. Sheen himself, like the video they were using, was a Modernist ploy; trying to get people away from the Church. Fulton John Sheen (1895-1979) was a real wolf in Shepherd's clothing. Despite having a reputation as an incredible orator and preacher from his popular TV show Life Is Worth Living (1951-1957), the facts tell a different tale. Ordained a priest in 1919, and consecrated a bishop in 1951, Sheen was Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of NYC from 1951-1966 before becoming Bishop of the Diocese of Rochester, NY for the years 1966-1969. What seems like a stellar ecclesiastical vocation, was anything but that.

     My information on Sheen comes primarily from three (3) sources: Treasure in Clay (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1993)--the bishop's posthumous autobiography; America's Bishop: The Life and Times of Bishop Sheen by Thomas C. Reeve (Encounter Books, 2001), and The Fulton J. Sheen Sunday Missal (Hawthorne Books, Inc, 1961).

    The Facts On Bp. Fulton J. Sheen

    • He considered his participation in the Council one of the "great blessings" of his life. He helped Modernist Fr. John Courtney Murray in the passage of the heretical document Dignitatis Humanae (On Religious Liberty). The bishops from America were almost completely Modernists, or Modernist sympathizers. The only two major exceptions were Francis Cardinal Spellman of NYC (with whom Sheen would often fight) and Bishop Richard Henry Ackerman of Covington, Kentucky (a personal friend of Archbishop Lefebvre). The bishops from America had long smelled the polluted air of "separation of Church and State" embedded in the Masonic U.S. Constitution. Sheen was no exception.
    • He spoke at a synagogue as Bishop of Rochester and later told Jews, "We have the same God, and we are His people." 
    • He encouraged attendance at a "revival crusade" by Protestant minister Rev. Billy Graham. How many would lose (or have doubts about) Catholicism after hearing the popular "evangelist"?
    • His personal library contained over 3,000 books by Protestant theologians on Sacred Scripture. He urged his priests and seminarians to use such books. When one priest complained that books by heretics have no place in the Church or Her seminaries, Sheen replied, "...you've got to remember that the Holy Spirit works through them too." Sheen had fully bought into heretical ecclesiology of Vatican II: "...the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them (false sects) as a means of salvation..." (Unitatis Redintegratio, # 3)
    • He condemns Traditionalists as "schismatic" and "heretical." He counseled a woman in 1978 not to attend a Traditionalist chapel as it would lead her "...into schism and even heresy." He had this to say about the Mass: "The changes made by Pope Paul VI were not doctrinal changes, they merely changed from Latin to the vernacular. There have been many changes in the Mass down through the centuries. The Lord never said Mass in Latin; He used the language of the time. Moreover, the change in translation does not alter the meaning of the text. I am always looking for translations that make the Scriptures more understandable and clear." Could a man with an earned doctorate actually believe that? One need only look at the incredibly poor translation of the 1961 Missal bearing his name to see how he made things "more relevant" by purposeful mistranslations. 
    •  In his missal, for the Words of Consecration over the Wine, Sheen translates them as: "For this is the Chalice of My Blood of the New and eternal testament: the mystery of faith: which shall be shed for you and for the multitude of mankind so that sins may be forgiven." (Emphasis mine) The preface states that the translation is the work of the editors, but I find it incredulous that Sheen couldn't make changes or edits in a work bearing his name; or didn't look it over, especially the Canon. "Pro multis" is "for many" as any first year Latin student could tell you. "For the multitude of mankind," while not strictly speaking heretical, lends itself to sound like the Novus Bogus "for ALL" which came in 1969. Sheen subscribed to universalism, and was a disciple of apostate Fr. Teilhard de Chardin.  
    • Sheen believed in the "anonymous Christian" theory of heretic Fr. Karl Rahner, stating, "Christ is hidden in all world religions, though as yet His face is veiled as it was to Moses, who asked to see it" Christ is "hidden" in Islam? Really?
    • Although he was Director for the Society for the Propagation of the Faith, he proudly and ironically professed, "...never once was there an attempt at what might be called proselytizing" on his TV show. I guess when you have no faith, there's really nothing to propagate. 

     Bishop Fulton J. Sheen was just another Modernist who had the veneer of orthodoxy and holiness to trap the unsuspecting. It's no surprise that John Paul the Great Apostate hugged Sheen in St. Patrick's Cathedral on October 2, 1979, calling the bishop a "loyal son of the Church (sic)." Equally no surprise is the fact that Sheen is a candidate for "sainthood." (Isn't everyone except Catholics these days?) Fulton Sheen told us "life is worth living." Unfortunately, he never understood that we are destined for eternal life with Christ, which can only be attained through His One True Church. That's what really makes this life worth anything at all.
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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 08:39:23 AM »
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  • Please read the following post, especially the comments section:

    http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2016/01/eternal-life-is-worth-attaining.html?m=1
    Thank you! That certainly explains a lot. As I mentioned in my first post, I had some very uncomfortable feeling about Sheen. Any good Catholic can spot this subterfuge in a New York City second. And, now he's "Venerable". Gosh oh me; just like "Saint" JPII. "Wonderful". 😫

    Thanks again for sharing this valuable information.
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    Re: +Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #8 on: November 28, 2017, 12:00:18 PM »
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  • Comments from my dear friend Dr Patrick Flanagan regarding Fulton Sheen:

    "All that you said is very true. Despite his very Catholic image, when the NO changes came, he fell right into cadence saying the New Mass and introducing the faux Dutch catechism, integrating the schools in Rochester (he had been installed as the bishop there which almost got him lynched by irate white parents) and basically going merrily along fa-la-laing according to the diabolical spirit of Vatican II. All this so he could get a big smooch from Paul VI just for being a good obedient haemorrhoid licking papal lap dog. Everything about dogma, devotions, Liturgy and just about everything the stellar AmChurchmiks can remember him chortling about in his TV shows turned out to be all about ratings--not God!  And we confirmed the old adage attributed to H.P. Barnum that a sucker is born every minute. And how!

    "To his credit in 1967, he did say that Catholic parents should not send their matriculating children to Catholic colleges because they would lose whatever little faith they had left. He said to send them to the secular universities because at least there they could be taught subject matter by atheistic professors who would not try to disguise it as Catholic. He seems to have died very sadly. No wonder.

    "Pat"
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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #9 on: November 28, 2017, 12:42:34 PM »
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  • Here's the article in the link, it says it all.

    Introibo Ad Altare Dei
    The World as Seen from a Traditionalist Catholic Perspective

    Monday, January 4, 2016
      
    Eternal Life Is Worth Attaining


     Recently, I came across an old video cassette from the 1980s put out by a group in New Jersey known as "Catholics United For The Faith." It was an old black and white recording of the (then) Monsignor, later Bishop, Fulton J. Sheen offering Midnight Mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC. Fr. DePauw had just come out with the first and best-to-date video of himself offering the True Mass at the Ave Maria Chapel in Westbury, NY (June 1986). I'm happy to say that both my father and mother (God rest their souls) and yours truly, appear when the congregation goes up to receive Holy Communion. The video was for people who couldn't get to a True Mass, as well as those who were afraid to travel and attend the Chapel because they would be "excommunicated." Fr. DePauw had a 15 minute introduction explaining what the True Mass was and why it could not and should not be changed to a Protestant service. The Vatican II sect was outraged that the video became so popular, but were unable to find something to take people away from that "schismatic priest" and put desperately needed money in their greedy pockets.

      Hence, the so-called "Catholics (sic) United For The (pseudo-)Faith" resurrected the old Bp. Sheen video to compete. Remember, there was no FSSP at the time, and most priests who were ordained before Vatican II either were "rusty" with the Latin and rubrics, which wouldn't make a good video, or they were thoroughly Modernist and hated even the thought of offering the real Mass again. But no worries! They had a video of  "America's Bishop" a man known for his sanctity, learning, and orthodoxy, unlike the "schismatic" and even "heretical" Fr. DePauw!   The "conservative" Vatican II sect members mostly fell for it. Little did they know that Bp. Sheen himself, like the video they were using, was a Modernist ploy; trying to get people away from the Church. Fulton John Sheen (1895-1979) was a real wolf in Shepherd's clothing. Despite having a reputation as an incredible orator and preacher from his popular TV show Life Is Worth Living (1951-1957), the facts tell a different tale. Ordained a priest in 1919, and consecrated a bishop in 1951, Sheen was Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of NYC from 1951-1966 before becoming Bishop of the Diocese of Rochester, NY for the years 1966-1969. What seems like a stellar ecclesiastical vocation, was anything but that.

     My information on Sheen comes primarily from three (3) sources: Treasure in Clay (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1993)--the bishop's posthumous autobiography; America's Bishop: The Life and Times of Bishop Sheen by Thomas C. Reeve (Encounter Books, 2001), and The Fulton J. Sheen Sunday Missal (Hawthorne Books, Inc, 1961).

    The Facts On Bp. Fulton J. Sheen

    • He considered his participation in the Council one of the "great blessings" of his life. He helped Modernist Fr. John Courtney Murray in the passage of the heretical document Dignitatis Humanae (On Religious Liberty). The bishops from America were almost completely Modernists, or Modernist sympathizers. The only two major exceptions were Francis Cardinal Spellman of NYC (with whom Sheen would often fight) and Bishop Richard Henry Ackerman of Covington, Kentucky (a personal friend of Archbishop Lefebvre). The bishops from America had long smelled the polluted air of "separation of Church and State" embedded in the Masonic U.S. Constitution. Sheen was no exception.
    • He spoke at a synagogue as Bishop of Rochester and later told Jews, "We have the same God, and we are His people."
    • He encouraged attendance at a "revival crusade" by Protestant minister Rev. Billy Graham. How many would lose (or have doubts about) Catholicism after hearing the popular "evangelist"?
    • His personal library contained over 3,000 books by Protestant theologians on Sacred Scripture. He urged his priests and seminarians to use such books. When one priest complained that books by heretics have no place in the Church or Her seminaries, Sheen replied, "...you've got to remember that the Holy Spirit works through them too." Sheen had fully bought into heretical ecclesiology of Vatican II: "...the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them (false sects) as a means of salvation..." (Unitatis Redintegratio, # 3)
    • He condemns Traditionalists as "schismatic" and "heretical." He counseled a woman in 1978 not to attend a Traditionalist chapel as it would lead her "...into schism and even heresy." He had this to say about the Mass: "The changes made by Pope Paul VI were not doctrinal changes, they merely changed from Latin to the vernacular. There have been many changes in the Mass down through the centuries. The Lord never said Mass in Latin; He used the language of the time. Moreover, the change in translation does not alter the meaning of the text. I am always looking for translations that make the Scriptures more understandable and clear." Could a man with an earned doctorate actually believe that? One need only look at the incredibly poor translation of the 1961 Missal bearing his name to see how he made things "more relevant" by purposeful mistranslations.
    • In his missal, for the Words of Consecration over the Wine, Sheen translates them as: "For this is the Chalice of My Blood of the New and eternal testament: the mystery of faith: which shall be shed for you and for the multitude of mankind so that sins may be forgiven." (Emphasis mine) The preface states that the translation is the work of the editors, but I find it incredulous that Sheen couldn't make changes or edits in a work bearing his name; or didn't look it over, especially the Canon. "Pro multis" is "for many" as any first year Latin student could tell you. "For the multitude of mankind," while not strictly speaking heretical, lends itself to sound like the Novus Bogus "for ALL" which came in 1969. Sheen subscribed to universalism, and was a disciple of apostate Fr. Teilhard de Chardin.  
    • Sheen believed in the "anonymous Christian" theory of heretic Fr. Karl Rahner, stating, "Christ is hidden in all world religions, though as yet His face is veiled as it was to Moses, who asked to see it" Christ is "hidden" in Islam? Really?
    • Although he was Director for the Society for the Propagation of the Faith, he proudly and ironically professed, "...never once was there an attempt at what might be called proselytizing" on his TV show. I guess when you have no faith, there's really nothing to propagate.

     Bishop Fulton J. Sheen was just another Modernist who had the veneer of orthodoxy and holiness to trap the unsuspecting. It's no surprise that John Paul the Great Apostate hugged Sheen in St. Patrick's Cathedral on October 2, 1979, calling the bishop a "loyal son of the Church (sic)." Equally no surprise is the fact that Sheen is a candidate for "sainthood." (Isn't everyone except Catholics these days?) Fulton Sheen told us "life is worth living." Unfortunately, he never understood that we are destined for eternal life with Christ, which can only be attained through His One True Church. That's what really makes this life worth anything at all.
    As your tagline states quite correctly:

    "The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962"
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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #10 on: November 28, 2017, 02:49:45 PM »
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  • Just a small addition.  I once read an autobiography by a Josephite priest who knew Bishop Sheen when -- I think -- they were both seminarians in the DC area.  But in any case he said he knew Sheen back in the day, who told him that he wanted to be known as a famous preacher, like St. John Chrysostom.  

    And Sheen went on to pay to have private speech or speaking lessons.  Stylin' ! 
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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
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  • Just a small addition.  I once read an autobiography by a Josephite priest who knew Bishop Sheen when -- I think -- they were both seminarians in the DC area.  But in any case he said he knew Sheen back in the day, who told him that he wanted to be known as a famous preacher, like St. John Chrysostom.  

    And Sheen went on to pay to have private speech or speaking lessons.  Stylin' !
    Ouch! That says a lot.
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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
    « Reply #12 on: November 28, 2017, 05:54:25 PM »
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  • Sheen, unfortunately, was a rather conflicted individual.  Aside, from everything else and most sad to day, he helped to legitimatize television in the Catholic home.  Years later Mother Angelica helped to legitimize cable and once someone signed up for cable (so they could watch EWTN) they basically had mortal sin viewing at just the touch of their finger tips.

    It's been said that the devil could care less if you get rid of venial sin as long as you succumb to mortal sin in the process.  In a kind of reversal of that it may be said that the devil doesn't care if you get some vitamins as long as he can get some carcinogens mixed in with them.

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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
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  • Sheen, unfortunately, was a rather conflicted individual.  Aside, from everything else and most sad to day, he helped to legitimatize television in the Catholic home.  Years later Mother Angelica helped to legitimize cable and once someone signed up for cable (so they could watch EWTN) they basically had mortal sin viewing at just the touch of their finger tips.

    It's been said that the devil could care less if you get rid of venial sin as long as you succumb to mortal sin in the process.  In a kind of reversal of that it may be said that the devil doesn't care if you get some vitamins as long as he can get some carcinogens mixed in with them.
    EWTN? Bah! A lot of N.O. with a smattering of half-baked tradition toss in for the benefit of the tards.
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    Re: ++Fulton J. Sheen
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  • Sheen: the subtle, communist.  He wrote splendidly on communism, very well!  Who would ever think that he was a "Red", commie that is!

     

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