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« on: February 04, 2009, 04:13:02 PM »
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  • Following the reactions caused by the recent Decree of the Congregation for Bishops, with which the excommunication of the four Prelates of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X was remitted, and regarding the negationist or reductionist declarations on the Shoah from Bishop Williamson, of the same Fraternity, it is considered convenient to clarify a few aspects of past events.

    1. Remission of the excommunication.

    As already published previously, the Decree of the Congregation for Bishops, dated January 21, 2009, was an act by which the Holy Father graciously responded to the reiterated requests by the Superior General of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X.

    His Holiness desired to remove an obstacle which prevented the opening of a door to dialogue. He now expects that an equal disposition will be expressed by the four Bishops in complete adherence to the doctrine and the discipline of the Church.

    The extremely grave censure of latae sententiae excommunication, in which the aforementioned Bishops had incurred on June 30, 1988, then formally declared on July 1 of the same year, was a consequence of their illegitimate ordinarion by Mons. Marcel Lefebvre.

    The removal of the excommunication released the four Bishops from an extremely grave canonical censure, but has not changed the juridical position of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X which, at the current moment, does not enjoy any canonical recognition by the Catholic Church. Not even the four Bishops, though released from the excommunication, have a canonical function in the Church and they do not exercise licitly a ministry in it.

    2. Tradition, doctrine, and the Second Vatican Council.

    For a future recognition of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X, the full recognition of the Second Vatican Council and of the Magisterium of Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and of the same Benedict XVI is an indispensable condition.

    As it was already affirmed in the Decree of January 21, 2009, the Holy See will not avoid, in ways deemed appropriate, discussing with the interested [party] the still open questions, so as to be able to reach a full and satisfactory resolution of the problems which originated this painful division.

    3. Declarations on the Shoah

    The positions of Mons. Williamson on the Shoah are absolutely unacceptable and firmly rejected by the Holy Father, as he himself remarked on the past January 28, when, referring to that brutal genocide, reaffirmed his full and unquestionable solidarity with our Brethren receivers of the First Covenant, and affirmed that the memory of that terrible genocide must lead "mankind to reflect on the unpredictable power of evil when it conquers the heart of man", adding that the Shoah remains "for all a warning against forgetfulness, against denial or reductionism, because the violence against a single human being is violence against all".

    Bishop Williamson, for an admission to episcopal functions in the Church, will also have to declare, in an absolutely unequivocal and public manner, distance from his positions regarding the Shoah, unknown to the Holy Father in the moment of the remission of the excommunication.

    The Holy Father asks to be joined by the prayers of all the faithful, so that the Lord may enlighten the path of the Church. May the effort of the Pastors and of all the faithful increase in support of the delicate and burdensome mission of the Successor of Apostle Peter as "custodian of the unity" in the Church.

    From the Vatican, February 4, 2009.

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         Not even the four Bishops, though released from the excommunication, have a canonical function in the Church and they do not exercise licitly a ministry in it.

       What a tangled web of apostasy do the Infallibles weave. Do you see how this is a lot deeper than just Vatican II?  Luke 18: 8 questions if there will be any faith when Christ returns.  Nice try SSPX, but the original ecuмenical council in 1870 was where the battle lines should have been drawn.


     


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    From Rome With Love
    « Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 08:24:25 PM »
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  • Benny and the Infallibles sing Lennon-McCartney

      Fixing a Hole

    I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in
    And stops my mind from wandering
    Where will it go

    I'm filling the cracks that ran through the door
    And kept my mind from wandering
    Where will it go

    And it really doesn't matter if i'm wrong
    I'm right
    Where i belong i'm right
    Where i belong.
    See the people standing there who disagree and never win
    And wonder why they don't get in my door.

    I'm painting my room in the colourful way
    And when my mind is wandering
    There i will go.
    And it really doesn't matter if
    I'm wrong i'm right
    Where i belong i'm right
    Where i belong.
    Silly people run around they worry me
    And never ask me why they don't get past my door.

    I'm taking the time for a number of things (Shoa enuf)
    That weren't important yesterday
    And i still go.
    I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in
    And stops my mind from wandering
    Where it will go.



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    From Rome With Love
    « Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 12:59:11 PM »
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  • 2. Tradition, doctrine, and the Second Vatican Council.

    For a future recognition of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X, the full recognition of the Second Vatican Council and of the Magisterium of Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and of the same Benedict XVI is an indispensable condition.

    As it was already affirmed in the Decree of January 21, 2009, the Holy See will not avoid, in ways deemed appropriate, discussing with the interested [party] the still open questions, so as to be able to reach a full and satisfactory resolution of the problems which originated this painful division.
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    I find this -extremely- interesting. Why would they even need to ask the question as to the validity of "John XXIII Paul VI, JPI and JPII and Benedict XVI?" Is this a subtle admission of the truth that power was usurped on October 24, 1958? Sure sounds like it to me.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    From Rome With Love
    « Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 01:03:24 PM »
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  • What a useless thread.

    It was posted by an "Old Catholic" -- one who rejects Vatican I (yes, I said Vatican ONE, not TWO)

    I don't know where to begin criticizing that position, but I think I'll pick the most salient point.

    The holy, wise, learned, saintly Pope St. Pius X was part of the Catholic Church when the "Old Catholics" claimed the Church was in error. Need I say more?

    Besides, the Old Catholics are a withered branch of the tree, which has borne NO fruit. That also speaks volumes.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 05, 2009, 03:35:45 PM »
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  •   Dont get me wrong, I  admire St. Pius X . I also agree with the disappontment of the fruits of old Church spin offs from the 1870 era.

      So this thread is useless?

      Resistance is Futile?

       I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but if you consider Pope Benedict and the church he is running to be like your mother, then face the facts. Your mother is a whore and has fornicated with nearly every false religion to come down the pike. The only faith she can't stand is the traditional Catholic Faith and those who speak the truth.

      JPII and Benedict are both murderers of the faith. -  Quit deceiving yourself and everyone else. Luke 18;8  implies there will be virtually no one left that has the faith. (Matthew, be careful how you use judge by the fruits, you may imply that Christ is a looser) Instead of starting a new breakay sect, I want everyone to know that there are people who still resist apostasy in the Holy Catholic Faith. Its not my fault God has to use a severe hammer of chastisement to knock some sense into all the go along to get along Catholic club.

      My apologies for being so vitriolic, but the fire alarm is functioning as designed.

    Hey, In spite of all the stuff I throw at you Matt, You are a hero  to me.  Peace.

    p.s. - I think if Pius X lived a few  years longer, he would have nipped this papalolatry in the bud. Remeber, these guys are our servants. We are supposed to ask questions and challenge discrepancies.  Their job is to  feed the sheep. Not poison them.