I don't believe in the French Revolution, or any of its false "liberties" to sin.

However, I think there's something to be said for allowing information and discussion about all topics that are not sinful.

For example, the SSPX pulled several docuмents on the Jєωs from their website several months ago. I went out of my way to have them archived here. They're probably buried now -- maybe someone should "dig them up"?

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=forum&f=9&order=&asc=0&min=800&num=100

I think that Catholic doctrine should always be available, no matter who is inconvenienced by it.

And no, the Crisis in the Church will NOT be solved with a slight detour or compromise during which time all doctrine on ____ is swept under the rug. Even if that ____ is the Jєωιѕн question.

You can't win a war of truth by hiding the truth! You can't use the enemies' weapons for the cause of good.

Matthew

I suspect he viewed those articles as more opinion pieces than articles pertaining to essential Catholic doctrine.  Whatever the case, it certainly emboldened the enemy.

Bishop Fellay is playing politics rather than standing on principle--which is why he threw poor Bishop Williamson under the bus.

I did read Bishop Fellay's statement regarding the so-called "Williamson affair", and it was a horrible example of mental reservation.

SSPX does not tolerate anti-semitism.  Bishop Williamson has been relieved of his duties.

So this statement COULD be read as denouncing the "anti-semitism" of Bishop Williamson for having disputed the holy-caust.  But, in the spirit of duplicitous mental reservation, it doesn't explicitly say that.  That's why you had a raging debate on AngelQueen regarding whether or not Bishop Fellay had thrown Bishop Williamson under the bus.  But no one picked up on this mental reservation, whereby he was and he wasn't (all at the same time).

What's really disturbing is that the kinds of statements Bishop Fellay made were extremely reminiscent of the diplomatic double-speak employed by the modernists themselves, to the point that Bishop Fellay even called the Jєωs our "elder brethren"  :barf: :barf: :barf:  That about took the cake.

Perhaps His Excellency Bishop Fellay is thinking only of saving the body of the SSPX from going down on His Excellency Bishop Williamson's sinking ship.

I love and revere both of these holy bishops, but I can see the prudence behind Bishop Fellay not wanting to kill his missionary work in Rome (and I say truthfully "missionary work," not "getting together") over a question of history. The questions of the Faith are of primary importance, and NEED to be returned to the minds of the churchmen in Rome. Questions of history are not necessary to the soul, and however His Excellency Bishop Williamson's position stands in relation to the truth, taking the enemy's bait and having the whole effort to right Rome again be shot down on a political point, I think, would not be very much in line with the duties they have, none of which is to make sure no one errs in matters of history. Though I'm sure the devil would like it ridiculously. (Kind of like the great joke of getting pious Catholics to disobey God in the name of obedience... Getting Catholics to abandon or loose the fight for the True Faith in the name of truth? Doesn't that just smack of the devil's irony!)

Yes, it is very, very unfortunate that the world has lost such an able mind in the fight for the Faith on the main lines... but Bishop Williamson will be lucky if he doesn't do time in a prison for what he said (true or not), and given the whole world's hysteria on the topic, I can't imagine by any means that attacking on this point would serve in any way, shape, or form to do aught but shoot down the whole fight for the True Faith in Rome. And over something no one "educated" in a public school would probably ever reconsider no matter what anyone said.

Yeah, if you're a single rebel out there, living dangerously on your own, then you can spout whatever you want, and the consequences effect only yourself. But when you're a bishop in charge of souls, and one of only four among probably not many others fighting for the True Faith, and when you have a whole society... one of the only societies... of traditional priests depending on you to lead them, getting yourself crucified in the media (and thereby discredited across the board so no one you need to reach would ever listen to you) by attacking an issue like that is not the most prudent thing to be doing.

So, through clever diplomacy, the SSPX will get some kind of agreement with Rome -- some kind of canonical structure whereby the SSPX can do its work for the restoration of the Church.

People are converted, communities are changed, and eventually entire countries return to their Catholic roots.

What a beautiful dream.

But I don't believe it could happen.

You just don't hide some truth under a bushel, strategically, so that you can procure the complete triumph of truth -- and then ALL the truth can be put forth, including the part you hid before!

No, it doesn't work that way. Never has, never will.

More likely, the SSPX will get swallowed up by Rome, or some other unfortunate outcome.

Don't get me wrong -- the SSPX is the best game in town right now. But you don't win by compromising -- that much I know for certain.

Matthew

Does Bishop Fellay actually think that Benedict XVI will convert to Tradition?  Really, the best that could be hoped for--naturally speaking of course--would be one of those ecuмenical joint statements consisting of a formula that's understood equivocally by the two parties involved.

And by opening up the windows of the SSPX to the Novus Ordo, the Novus Ordo will not be made better, but the SSPX will be made worse--just as happened when John XXIII opened the windows of the Church to the world.  Gradually the SSPX will become more and more polluted with modernism until it gets assimilated.  It's role in history right now is to stand firm as a "sign of contradiction" against the modernists until God intervenes to end this crisis.  That's what Bishop Williamson used to say during various conferences at the seminary.

None of this makes sense--so much so that some have wondered whether Bishop Fellay is an infiltrator bent on destroying the SSPX.

 :pop:Don't get me wrong -- the SSPX is the best game in town right now. But you don't win by compromising -- that much I know for certain. Even more certain than I am about the SSPX being a good thing.

Matthew
Sad to hear that you think SSPX is the best game in town.  I go there because its the only MASS in town.  Im so tortured by their cultishness, and their false idea that someone  gave them the authority to speak for the church!


My beliefs are:
1- WE ARE ALL CATHOLICS
2- Novus ordo Catholics that are validly baptised are Catholics
3- We have no good pope, and havent had one for 40 years to pronounce on any matters
4- The existing true Bishops have no jurisdiction
5- no group has any authority to claim themselves as "defenders of the faith"  as SSPX has, or negotiiate with apostate Rome in the name of all Catholics
6- No group has any right to call other traditional groups schismatic :pop:

Emerentiana

Glad to know that I'm not the only one "tortured by their cultishness."