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Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2019, 12:42:16 AM »
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  • Hey, Poche, +Francis may not have kissed the Koran, which is a heretical act and a grave sin against the 1st commandment,  but he did worse - he said that God wills that false religions exist.  This is outright heresy because it denies the dogma of the social Kingship of Christ and His Church!  From the inter-Faith document:

    The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings.

    https://novusordowatch.org/2019/02/apostasy-francis-diversity-of-religions/


    p.s. ...
    JPII did kiss the Koran though...one of his many heretical acts which he never publicly abjured.
    https://novusordowatch.org/2018/03/john-paul2-kissed-muslim-koran/
    What is meant is that God permits this diversity. However he is leading the Muslims in the direction of Christianity. He got the sheikh to sign a document recognizing the right to full citizenship for all Christians in the countries in which they reside.

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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #61 on: February 18, 2019, 06:10:50 AM »
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  • No, but maybe your neck is too stiff.
    :laugh1:   :ready-to-eat:
    "...this See of Peter always remains unblemished by any error in accordance with the Divine Promise of Our Lord...." - Vatican I


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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #62 on: February 18, 2019, 06:19:11 AM »
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  • Do you really think Our Lord would allow the Lavender Mafia to designate the pope much less elect one?  They aren’t just a bunch of wayward men.  They are an organized religion consisting of an estimated 80% perverts who think child molestation is just boys being boys.  If they professed the Apostolic faith this crisis would be their fault.  But as it is they do not profess the Apostolic faith, they are not in communion with one another much less in communion with the saints. They have banal, unholy rites.  Their orders are not valid never mind holy.  They are not catholic because no saint from previous centuries would recognize their doctrine nor their liturgies.  You might as well assert that the devil himself has the power to designate.  I find that to be absurd.
    I have said it elsewhere that the Cassiciacum Thesis made more sense in the earlier days of the Crisis, but at this point?  Not so much.
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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #63 on: February 18, 2019, 09:28:00 AM »
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  • Poche, you are interpreting +Francis in an orthodox manner but what he said was heresy. 

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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #64 on: February 18, 2019, 11:39:34 AM »
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  • What is meant is that God permits this diversity. However he is leading the Muslims in the direction of Christianity. He got the sheikh to sign a document recognizing the right to full citizenship for all Christians in the countries in which they reside.

    We know that's not what Francis Bergoglio meant.  Yes, God, by His permissive will, does allow false religions to flourish ... as per the parable in which the master allowed the cockle to grow among the wheat.  But we know that Francis meant that God willed these religions as a positive good by which people can be united to Him by many roads.  In the parable, it was declared that "an enemy hath done this" (planted the cockle), but for Francis it was God Himself who sowed the cockle.


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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #65 on: February 18, 2019, 11:44:59 AM »
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  • I have said it elsewhere that the Cassiciacum Thesis made more sense in the earlier days of the Crisis, but at this point?  Not so much.

    On the contrary, it makes even more sense now.  With sedevacantism, since the crisis has gone on so long, it would appear as if the ordinary jurisdiction of the Church has completely ceased.

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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #66 on: February 18, 2019, 11:48:14 AM »
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  • So the heretics hold the power of designation.  Still sounds like they have the upper hand here... until Francis converts.

    ... or dies and is replaced by a Catholic.

    Of course they hold the upper hand; that's why we're in the mess.

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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #67 on: February 18, 2019, 11:51:40 AM »
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  • I recall some Catholic prophecy to the effect that St. Peter himself would appear at a conclave to designate the man who should be elected Pope.  Regardless about our quibbles on the theological fine points, we Catholics all agree that God can and will end this crisis when He sees fit.


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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #68 on: February 18, 2019, 11:56:14 AM »
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  • Poche, you are a true lighthouse on this tempestuous sea of life.  Your light and insight prevents so many ships from wrecking themselves on the rocks of the Novus Ordo seacoast.  

    Were it not for your constant reminders of the banality and mind-bending mental gymnastics of Novus Ordo Land, some of those lost vessels may be tempted to seek safety within its harbors.

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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #69 on: February 18, 2019, 12:04:02 PM »
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  • Poche, you are a true lighthouse on this tempestuous sea of life.  Your light and insight prevents so many ships from wrecking themselves on the rocks of the Novus Ordo seacoast.  

    Were it not for your constant reminders of the banality and mind-bending mental gymnastics of Novus Ordo Land, some of those lost vessels may be tempted to seek safety within its harbors.

    One could almost say the same thing about Francis Bergoglio.  Some in the Novus Ordo, those who have any sense of Catholic faith left, have started to wake up about the crisis thanks to his over-the-top antics.

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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #70 on: February 18, 2019, 12:08:59 PM »
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  • Regardless about our quibbles on the theological fine points, we Catholics all agree that God can and will end this crisis when [and how] He sees fit.
    With a slight change to your quote, I certainly can agree with you there. I think the "how" is where we disagree.  In my opinion, the "how" will eventually include the well known, traditional Catholic clergy, not the heretic, Novus Ordo clergy.
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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #71 on: February 19, 2019, 12:24:46 PM »
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  • We know that's not what Francis Bergoglio meant.  Yes, God, by His permissive will, does allow false religions to flourish ... as per the parable in which the master allowed the cockle to grow among the wheat.  But we know that Francis meant that God willed these religions as a positive good by which people can be united to Him by many roads.  In the parable, it was declared that "an enemy hath done this" (planted the cockle), but for Francis it was God Himself who sowed the cockle.

    Anyone that believes that non-pope Francis means it any other way needs to get off the weed. It is getting way to late in the game to believe that he means it in a traditional way.

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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #72 on: February 19, 2019, 12:38:20 PM »
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  • Yes, the Pope converting is the most likely way a solution will come. There are around 120 Cardinal electors. If the conservative Prelates are smart, at least a majority (it could be even 20 to 30 on the first ballot, later coming up to 50 to 60) will coalesce around the most conservative/Tradition-leaning candidate. A solution could come like that also.

    Fr. Kevin Cusick https://twitter.com/MCITLFrAphorism/status/986280515232821248 a Rorate Caeli contributor, said he was told Cardinal Burke is now a leading Papabile/candidate most likely to be elected when the next conclave comes.

    Pope Michael is hardly a solution. A conclave without the Roman clergy will always lead to a similar result regrettably. Cardinals are an ecclesiastical dignity, just like Archbishops. But you had Roman clergy with St. Peter and St. Paul in Rome (like St. Clement and St. Linus) right from Apostolic times.

    Then there are about 5100 Bishops in the universal Church. Trying to assemble all of them (or even a majority of them) at a general Council is very unlikely. I doubt the solution will come like that. Then, there are the jurisdiction issues. I doubt any Bishop will ever agree the last 5/6 Popes were never Popes in the first place, as they would radically undermine their own episcopal authority if they did.

    Maybe, they may pass judgment, or make the declaration of nullity against the current Pope in office, but that's it. More likely, the Cardinals will unite to elect the best possible candidate as Pope. Anyway, God is still in control. If in the next 10-15 years, God willing, a solution comes, we can plan how we will re-evangelize the world after that in the decades to come. Setting things right in the Church is only the first stage. Combatting aggressive secularism and all that is wrong in the world will have to take place anyway after that.

    Ven. Mary of Agreda says Christ has reserved the triumph over all heresies for His Blessed Mother, and it will be She Who in a special way will extend His reign over the Mohammedans near the end times. Also, the symbol of the moon under Her feet in Revelation is another indication from Sacred Scripture, like "She will crush your head" from Gen 3:15, that Mother Mary will play a special role in defeating this heresy of Islam and all other heresies. Let us pray for the conversion of all non-Christians to Christ and the Church.

    Just as people continue to put their faith in the NO Cardinals like Mueller and Burke they are putting their faith in the wrong place. Just listen to what Mueller the savior had to say very recently:

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    Spiegel: Is Pope Francis a heretic, a denier of dogma, as some few princes of the Church insinuate?

    Müller: No. This Pope is orthodox, that is, doctrinally sound [rechtgläubig] in the Catholic sense. But it is his task to bring the Church together in truth, and it would be dangerous if he were to succumb to the temptation of pitting the camp that boasts of its progressivism, against the rest of the Church. …

    (Walter Mayr, “Als hätte Gott selbst gesprochen”, Der Spiegel, Feb. 16, 2019, p. 50; our translation.)

    Heresy is so prevalent in the NO now down to the smallest parish, that to believe that the Bark of Peter is going to right itself by human efforts such as a conclave is total nonsense.

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    Re: Francis unveils new "Chrislam" Logo
    « Reply #73 on: February 19, 2019, 01:08:29 PM »
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  • Patriarch Kirill of Moscow called and he wants everyone to know that Frank is not Orthodox.

     

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