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TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães was a slave of Plinio
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  • Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG

    The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.

    I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".

    The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:

    "Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.

    I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. From him everything comes to me, his spirit is living in me, and I can imitate in this union of  slavery, everything that he is. In the climate of our days, without greatness, without horizons, given over to optimism and mediocrity, time will bring great events to us, with great horizons, in which I will have to live as a hero of the same magnitude as My Lord [Plinio]. Looking inside myself and seeing a lot of smallness, I know that faith requires me to imitate My Lord [Plinio], and I will make of myself a perfect Apostle of the Last Times, according to the prophetic prayer of St. Louis de Montfort Grignion. In all this I ask My Lord [Plinio] to help my unbelief. "

    Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:

    "Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "

    Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).

    In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"

    Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".

    The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.

    The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.

    Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.

    The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."

    The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.

    So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.

    We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.

    The twelve first slaves were:

    1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
    2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
    3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
    4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
    5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
    6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
    7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
     Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
    9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
    10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
    11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
    12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.

    Over time other people entered the "Still Living". They are:

    13) Plinio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Elizeu.
    14) Paulo Corrêa de Brito Filho - Plinio Jeremias.
    15) Luiz Filipe Ablas - Plinio Dimas.
    16) "X" - Plinio Inácio.
    17) Dom Luiz de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio da Cruz.
    18) Marcelino Antônio Pereira de Almeida - Plinio Francisco.
    19) Edson Neves da Silva - Plinio Batista.
    20) Fernando Antunes Aldunate - Plinio Longinos.
    21) Leo Nino Doscolo Daniele - Plinio Tobias.
    22) Fernando Furquin de Almeida Filho - Plinio Amen.
    23) Martim Afonso Xavier da Silveira Jr. - Plinio Pedro.
    24) Sergio Bidueira - Plinio Hildebrando.
    25) Jose Lucio de Araújo Correia - Plinio Ezquiel.
    26) Julio Ubeold - Plinio Tomaz.
    27) Fernado Teles - Plinio Leofredo.
    28) Roberto Guerreiro - Plinio Agostinho.
    29) Afonso Becar Verella - Plinio Ambros.
    30) Miguel Becar Verella - Plinio Domingos.
    31) Carlos Viano - Plinio Godofredo.
    32) The Argentine, Escurra - Plinio Leon.
    33) Carlos Antunez Aldunate - Plinio Emanuel.
    34) Jaime Antunez Aldunate - Plinio Gregório.
    35) Gonzalo Larrain - slave Plinio Caetano.
    36) Patricio Larrain - Plinio João.
    37) Patrício Amunategui - Plinio Santiago.
    38) Casté  - Plinio Joaquim.
    39) Pedro Paulo Figueiredo - Plinio Jacó.
    40) Carlos Alberto Soares Correia - Plinio Athens.
    41) Aloisio Torres - Plinio Macabeu.
    42) Roberto Esper Kalás - Plinio Bento.
    43) Paulo Roberto Rosa - Plinio Tiago.
    44) Paulo Cesar Nascimento - Plinio Henoch.
    45) Lúcio Montes - Plinio Estevão.
    46) "Y" - Plinio Afonso.
    47) João Carlos Leal da Costa - Plinio Matatias.
    48) Francisco Xavier Tosto - Plinio Isaias.
    49) José Antônio Tosto - Plinio Sebastian.
    50) "Z" - Plinio Clovis.
    51) Guerreiro Dantas - Plinio Davi.
    52) Rivoira - Plinio Hermenegildo.
    53) Alejandro Bravo - Plinio Samuel.
    54) Carlos Ybarguren - Plinio Antonio.
    55) Nelsie Fragelli - Plinio Tomé.
    56) Fernado Larrain - Plinio ?.

    There were others who, at the time, were not received in "Still Life", but were still slaves of Dr. Plinio. For example: Antonio Candido Lara Ducci - slave Ducci and Carlos Eduardo Schafer - slave Schafer.

    Speaking of his power and his slaves, Dr. Plinio asked: "What is the power of the pope in comparison to everything?"

    It was said amongst the slaves that the "Secret of Mary", of St. Louis de Montfort, is probably the establishment of the "Sacred Slavery" in respect to Dr Plinio.

    Dr. Plinio was then designated by the nickname of "Mary", because the slave of Mary was the slave of Plinio.

    The slaves used to ask for the granting of petitions, kneeling in front of Dr. Plinio. For example, Cosme Becca Varella Hijo, in his consecration, urged "My Lord" the grace to become a widower.

    I would also like to declare that I, myself, was consecrated to the son of Dona Lucilia [mother of Plinio], kneeling on her grave, in the presence of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira and his personal guards.


    Curitiba, 24 August 1984
    Luiz Filipe de Freitas Guimaraes Abias


    Witnesses to the deposition:
    Orlando Fedeli 1,433,401, RG
    Giulio Folen 2,481,149, RG.

    Cartorio Ramos, Second Office of Civil Status Registration, Securities and Docuмents, Via Mal. Floriano Peixoto, 986 - Tel.224-2444.

    Statement made on this day. Written and recorded on microfilm (No. 544948). File Number: 330009.
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    Re: TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães was a slave of Plinio
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    « Reply #2 on: April 05, 2019, 09:35:58 PM »
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    You think this is just more bs?  I am not sure what is with this anti TIA crowd on this forum.  TIA is the most catholic website in existence.  

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    Re: TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães was a slave of Plinio
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  • Fr. Pfeiffer calls his "seminarians" "slaves".

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  • You think this is just more bs?

    Yes, most likely just another load of nonsense.  Cera has some ax to grind against TFP that she won't come clean about.


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    Re: TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães was a slave of Plinio
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  • Why are you digging up old arguments that were refuted in the 1980s? 

    Is this really all the detractors of TIA (and the old TFP) have?

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  • Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG

    The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.

    I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".

    The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:

    "Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.

    I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. From him everything comes to me, his spirit is living in me, and I can imitate in this union of  slavery, everything that he is. In the climate of our days, without greatness, without horizons, given over to optimism and mediocrity, time will bring great events to us, with great horizons, in which I will have to live as a hero of the same magnitude as My Lord [Plinio]. Looking inside myself and seeing a lot of smallness, I know that faith requires me to imitate My Lord [Plinio], and I will make of myself a perfect Apostle of the Last Times, according to the prophetic prayer of St. Louis de Montfort Grignion. In all this I ask My Lord [Plinio] to help my unbelief. "

    Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:

    "Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "

    Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).

    In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"

    Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".

    The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.

    The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.

    Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.

    The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."

    The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.

    So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.

    We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.

    The twelve first slaves were:

    1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
    2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
    3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
    4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
    5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
    6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
    7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
     Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
    9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
    10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
    11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
    12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.

    Over time other people entered the "Still Living". They are:

    13) Plinio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Elizeu.
    14) Paulo Corrêa de Brito Filho - Plinio Jeremias.
    15) Luiz Filipe Ablas - Plinio Dimas.
    16) "X" - Plinio Inácio.
    17) Dom Luiz de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio da Cruz.
    18) Marcelino Antônio Pereira de Almeida - Plinio Francisco.
    19) Edson Neves da Silva - Plinio Batista.
    20) Fernando Antunes Aldunate - Plinio Longinos.
    21) Leo Nino Doscolo Daniele - Plinio Tobias.
    22) Fernando Furquin de Almeida Filho - Plinio Amen.
    23) Martim Afonso Xavier da Silveira Jr. - Plinio Pedro.
    24) Sergio Bidueira - Plinio Hildebrando.
    25) Jose Lucio de Araújo Correia - Plinio Ezquiel.
    26) Julio Ubeold - Plinio Tomaz.
    27) Fernado Teles - Plinio Leofredo.
    28) Roberto Guerreiro - Plinio Agostinho.
    29) Afonso Becar Verella - Plinio Ambros.
    30) Miguel Becar Verella - Plinio Domingos.
    31) Carlos Viano - Plinio Godofredo.
    32) The Argentine, Escurra - Plinio Leon.
    33) Carlos Antunez Aldunate - Plinio Emanuel.
    34) Jaime Antunez Aldunate - Plinio Gregório.
    35) Gonzalo Larrain - slave Plinio Caetano.
    36) Patricio Larrain - Plinio João.
    37) Patrício Amunategui - Plinio Santiago.
    38) Casté  - Plinio Joaquim.
    39) Pedro Paulo Figueiredo - Plinio Jacó.
    40) Carlos Alberto Soares Correia - Plinio Athens.
    41) Aloisio Torres - Plinio Macabeu.
    42) Roberto Esper Kalás - Plinio Bento.
    43) Paulo Roberto Rosa - Plinio Tiago.
    44) Paulo Cesar Nascimento - Plinio Henoch.
    45) Lúcio Montes - Plinio Estevão.
    46) "Y" - Plinio Afonso.
    47) João Carlos Leal da Costa - Plinio Matatias.
    48) Francisco Xavier Tosto - Plinio Isaias.
    49) José Antônio Tosto - Plinio Sebastian.
    50) "Z" - Plinio Clovis.
    51) Guerreiro Dantas - Plinio Davi.
    52) Rivoira - Plinio Hermenegildo.
    53) Alejandro Bravo - Plinio Samuel.
    54) Carlos Ybarguren - Plinio Antonio.
    55) Nelsie Fragelli - Plinio Tomé.
    56) Fernado Larrain - Plinio ?.

    There were others who, at the time, were not received in "Still Life", but were still slaves of Dr. Plinio. For example: Antonio Candido Lara Ducci - slave Ducci and Carlos Eduardo Schafer - slave Schafer.

    Speaking of his power and his slaves, Dr. Plinio asked: "What is the power of the pope in comparison to everything?"

    It was said amongst the slaves that the "Secret of Mary", of St. Louis de Montfort, is probably the establishment of the "Sacred Slavery" in respect to Dr Plinio.

    Dr. Plinio was then designated by the nickname of "Mary", because the slave of Mary was the slave of Plinio.

    The slaves used to ask for the granting of petitions, kneeling in front of Dr. Plinio. For example, Cosme Becca Varella Hijo, in his consecration, urged "My Lord" the grace to become a widower.

    I would also like to declare that I, myself, was consecrated to the son of Dona Lucilia [mother of Plinio], kneeling on her grave, in the presence of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira and his personal guards.


    Curitiba, 24 August 1984
    Luiz Filipe de Freitas Guimaraes Abias


    Witnesses to the deposition:
    Orlando Fedeli 1,433,401, RG
    Giulio Folen 2,481,149, RG.

    Cartorio Ramos, Second Office of Civil Status Registration, Securities and Docuмents, Via Mal. Floriano Peixoto, 986 - Tel.224-2444.

    Statement made on this day. Written and recorded on microfilm (No. 544948). File Number: 330009.
    Again, I repeat my statement made in other threads:
    I think it's very interesting to see how several threads filled with supposed "exposés" about Atila and Plinio appeared after Atila Guimaraes published his article on the SSPX Agent Liboro in Quito.
      
    Why divert attention? The practical aim of all of these "exposés" (by Cera and other SSPX followers) is to divert attention from the actual issue at hand. This is equivalent of throwing sand in the opponent's eyes to have time to flee and not be noticed.
      
     Let's actually get back to the heart of the matter. SSPX/Vox Catholica/Fr. Purdy have not responded to any of TIA's claims about them. Why don't they just come out and refute them? The more you attack Guimaraes and Oliveira personally, the more it shows that SSPX doesn't have a defense to present. 

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    Re: TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães was a slave of Plinio
    « Reply #7 on: April 13, 2019, 09:03:37 PM »
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  • Why are you digging up old arguments that were refuted in the 1980s?

    Is this really all the detractors of TIA (and the old TFP) have?
    Show us the purported refutation. You cannot, because it does not exist. Atila is embarrassed by the truth.
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    Re: TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães was a slave of Plinio
    « Reply #8 on: April 24, 2019, 06:38:19 AM »
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  • Fr. Pfeiffer calls his "seminarians" "slaves".
    This post is about TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães. How is Fr. Pfeiffer related to this man? It seems you must like Fr. Pfeiffer so much that you cant stop writing about him. BTW, there are many instances of "slaves" being used in prayers, naming of orders, etc. For example, St. Louis de Montfort asked his followers to acknowledge that they were slaves of the love of Jesus Christ to Mary. If you haven't, read the prayer to Mary or prayer to Jesus by St. Louis de Montfort. http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/secret-marytxt.htm

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    Re: TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães was a slave of Plinio
    « Reply #9 on: May 01, 2019, 05:27:07 PM »
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  • This post is about TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães. How is Fr. Pfeiffer related to this man? It seems you must like Fr. Pfeiffer so much that you cant stop writing about him. BTW, there are many instances of "slaves" being used in prayers, naming of orders, etc. For example, St. Louis de Montfort asked his followers to acknowledge that they were slaves of the love of Jesus Christ to Mary. If you haven't, read the prayer to Mary or prayer to Jesus by St. Louis de Montfort. http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/secret-marytxt.htm
    Try as you may to normalize the anti-Catholic, anti-clerical, heretical sect of TIA/TFP, the fact remains that Atila worshipped Plinio. Atila laid on the floor in front of his "Lord" and "Master" Plinio and allowed Plinio to put his foot on Atila's neck as he called himself a slave to Plinio. He was slave # 11 in the TFP cult.
    When Plinio died in 1995, the cult split into three parts. The "Heralds of the Gospel" got the money but not the TFP name, TFP got the name but not the money, and Atila was left with nothing, no TFP no TFP money. To top it off, in 1996 Rimmini exposed the TFP as a mind-control cult engaged in child-trafficking. Atila thought it was a good time to get out of town and come to the U. S. and start his own Plinio-worshipping group which he called TIA.
    All of the above docuмented facts have already been posted on Cath Info along with links to original sources. I pray for those unable or unwilling to deal with the facts.
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    Re: TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães was a slave of Plinio
    « Reply #10 on: May 02, 2019, 04:39:38 PM »
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  • .... To top it off, in 1996 Rimmini exposed the TFP as a mind-control cult engaged in child-trafficking. ....

    All of the above docuмented facts have already been posted on Cath Info along with links to original sources. I pray for those unable or unwilling to deal with the facts.
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    Who is Rimmini?  Rimini is a a small city on the Adriatic coast where some book was published. So "Rimmini exposed"? Get it right!
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    If you wish to make scurrilous accusations you need to back them up HERE. Not say "it's already been published.
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    To save time I'll post this quote from one of your numerous threads on this topic which have got you nowhere.
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    Everyting pasted in by Cera, who obviously has a personal ax to grind, actually speaks in favor of TFP.

    Plinio condemned the "Litany".  Article just blows off the suggestion that it was composed by a couple of kids at their schools, but neglects to mention that the kids who wrote it came out later and admitted that it was a satirical parody of their school lessons.  I mean, come on, you have to be an idiot not to realize that the part of the Litany where they invoke Plinio as the "axiological principle" is a joke referring to something that was taught them in class.  It's something I might have written as a parody of crap I heard in Novus Ordo sermons.

    Biggest issue was this accusation that TFP had become anti-clerical; it was the reason Bishop Castro de Mayer distanced himself from them.  This anti-clericalism was implicit in the notion of their being a lay movement, but part of that was just a practical recognition of the fact that they did not have any direct support from any organized clerical organizations.   I know TFP members and they have a high regard for Catholic priests.  But, for a time, they had become cynical about the state of the hierarchy ... and it's hard to blame them.
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    Re: TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães was a slave of Plinio
    « Reply #11 on: May 02, 2019, 05:25:46 PM »
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    Mary Magdalen was a prostitute, a slave to fornication!
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    Re: TIA founder Atila Sinke Guimarães was a slave of Plinio
    « Reply #12 on: May 02, 2019, 05:28:13 PM »
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    St. Paul was a killer of Christians, a slave of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.
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