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Pope Francis: ‘honored’ by criticism? (https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/the-city-gates.cfm?ID=1756)
by Phil Lawler | Sep 05, 2019
In the latest effort to explain away an unguarded utterance by Pope Francis, Matteo Bruni, the director of the Vatican press office, told reporters how they should interpret (http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/honor) the papal remark that “it’s an honor that Americans attack me.”
In an informal context, the Pope wanted to say that he always considers criticisms an honor, particularly when they come from authoritative thinkers and, in this case, an important nation.
OK, the context was informal. The Pope was not speaking at a press conference. He was making a personal response to an author who had presented him with a book. There just happened to be a few dozen reporters within earshot, so the Pope’s comment couldn’t be denied. (Recall that when Pope Francis reportedly denied the existence of hell (https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=1279), the Vatican said the quotation could not “be considered a faithful transcription” and left it at that.)
But let’s take a closer look at that “informal context.” The Pope had been presented with a copy of How American Wants to Change the Pope, in which author Nicolas Seneze argues that a powerful coalition of conservative American political interests is working against the Pontiff. The Pope expresses a keen interest in the book, and in another offhand remark as he passed the book to an aide, described it as “a bomb.”
Seneze does not merely report that the Pope has American critics; he claims, in effect, that there is an American conspiracy against the papacy. Pope Francis indicates that he is anxious to learn more about the conspiracy theory. Now in that “informal context” does it really sound as if the Pope feels honored by this criticism?
The papal spokesman goes on to say that the Pope is honored because the criticism comes from “authoritative thinkers.” Is he saying, then, that the American critics of the Pontiff are “authoritative thinkers?” Because that really isn’t the thrust of the Seneze book that the Pope was welcoming. Seneze argues that the American critics are politically motivated: a theme that the Pope’s closest associates have sounded frequently. Or is Seneze himself the authoritative thinker? Because he’s not criticizing the Pope; he’s criticizing those people who criticize the Pope.
Finally—not to belabor the point unduly—despite his claims and those of his spokesman, there’s precious little evidence that Pope Francis is “honored’ by criticism. Ask Cardinals Burke and Müller. Ask the other authors of the dubia. Ask the priests who were summarily dismissed from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for voicing concerns about the Pope’s thinking. Ask the ousted faculty members of the John Paul II Institute (https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=1356). One honors criticism by responding to it. The track record suggests that Pope Francis prefers to suppress it.
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Francis will deflect criticism by mocking Americans, but he knows his real enemies are traditional Catholics.
For as St. Don Bosco advised his students, Catholics can and should pray for a bad pope’s early death.
There is no love lost on Francis.
There are no “Viva la Papas!” for him.
The Destroyer clown, who loves to bow down to the enemies of Christ, will go down in infamy.
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…For as St. Don Bosco advised his students, Catholics can and should pray for a bad pope’s early death. …
Do you have an exact quote and source, so that St. Don Bosco's exhortation may justly be posted here alongside St. Francis' prophesy: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html (http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html) ?
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Francis will deflect criticism by mocking Americans, but he knows his real enemies are traditional Catholics.
For as St. Don Bosco advised his students, Catholics can and should pray for a bad pope’s early death.
There is no love lost on Francis.
There are no “Viva la Papas!” for him.
The Destroyer clown, who loves to bow down to the enemies of Christ, will go down in infamy.
Donald Trump said that he met with the North Korean dictator in order to prevent a war. His Holiness bows down in order to bring about their conversion.
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Donald Trump said that he met with the North Korean dictator in order to prevent a war. His Holiness bows down in order to bring about their conversion.
Poche, conversion to what, the NO? The only ones the conciliar popes think need to convert are traditional Catholics - and he has never bowed down to them. And finally, one does not become or join in with infidels in order to convert them, if he does, then he is one of them.
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Poche, conversion to what, the NO? The only ones the conciliar popes think need to convert are traditional Catholics - and he has never bowed down to them. And finally, one does not become or join in with infidels in order to convert them, if he does, then he is one of them.
Conversion to the One True Faith, the Catholic Church.
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Conversion to the One True Faith, the Catholic Church.
His Holiness needs conversion to One True Faith, the Catholic Church before he can hope to convert (bad word within the NO) anyone to it.
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Do you have an exact quote and source, so that St. Don Bosco's exhortation may justly be posted here alongside St. Francis' prophesy: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html (http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html) ?
I'm having trouble finding it... I'll keep looking.
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Donald Trump said that he met with the North Korean dictator in order to prevent a war. His Holiness bows down in order to bring about their conversion.
Poche,
Two comments:
1. Our Lord never bowed down to evil. The "Vicar of Christ" on earth is not to do it either.
2. Donald Trump's Korea diplomacy was staged and 100% judaic "show biz".
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His Holiness needs conversion to One True Faith, the Catholic Church before he can hope to convert (bad word within the NO) anyone to it.
So true.
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I've written in introduction, that I'm a heretic, and whether you would burn me at stack, half as a joke, or excommunicate me...? Because my favourite martyr Saint, master Jan Hus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus), who died with a prayer and forgiveness on his lips, while defending Good Faith and Church against corruption of medieval elites, was burnt on stack by a devilish council, quarreling for political might in the time of three popes. Recently, the Church has appologized for his death, but it is not enough. He was a martyr saint, regardless whether the Church proclaimed him such already, and was a conclusive proof of fallibility of councils, because that was a time when the fallen council condemned and executed a true saint.
(Elsewhere you have advised me to return to the Church... As time allows, I attend masses at catholic church in nearby town... Where I live today, in the nearby town there are two churches, one of them is catholic, and the other is "czecho-slovak hussite church", which could be thought of as a national ecclesia of a saint heretic (my jest). The catholic priest here is utterly stupid man, such that he talked a Christmas-night homily about fear, whether the world has feared born baby Jesus and why, and recently nearby Easter he talked a homily, whether Jesus is a shepherd or a pimp, and whether priests, because these words sound similar in our language, and more such absurd and witless stuff. In the hussite church, the priest is a hidden rabbi, a Jєω known for translating тαℓмυd, a kind wise bearded old man and seemingly a christian priest. But after last Easter, when he canceled big-friday service, that Jєωιѕн-like seder on thursday is enough, and scheduled some burial ceremony on white saturday, then I rather returned to the catholic church, better a witless somehow funny dude but at least a christian... I admit that it is specific situation and elsewhere it may be different...) This just to say, that there is a whole ecclesia named in honor of that Jan Hus in my country, but we (or they) are not expecting or awaiting proclamation of Jan Hus as a saint, they do not acknowledge catholic saints at all...
Nonsense.
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Nonsense.
Yes and not just nonsense, but Judaizing manure from hell.
Wycliffe and the Hussites were Judaizers and Erastians, invoking the Old Testament model of the nation of Israel as grounds for usurpations and looting of Church properties by the secular princes whom the Hussites deemed superior to the Church and papacy. At its core the Hussite "holy nation" revolution rejected Christ's insistence that His Kingdom was not of this world. Hussites waging war to perfect a "heaven on earth" stinks of the tikkun olam vomit of тαℓмυdic Judaism. The ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan boasts of their influence on Hus. (see Newman (http://www.questia.com/library/book/Jєωιѕн-influence-on-christian-reform-movements-by-louis-i-newman.jsp), esp pp. 437 ff.)
Hus should have been burned in 1390 (when he first pimped for Wycliffe) instead of 1413.
It is incongruous for a man to boast of his "antisemitism" bona fides while lauding, nay, canonizing an abject Judaizer. I smell a rat.
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It is incongruous for a man to boast of his "antisemitism" bona fides while lauding, nay, canonizing an abject Judaizer. I smell a rat.
Indeed!
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/raymond-arroyo-defends-american-catholics-against-popes-accusatory-remark-they-love-the-church (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/raymond-arroyo-defends-american-catholics-against-popes-accusatory-remark-they-love-the-church)
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For as St. Don Bosco advised his students, Catholics can and should pray for a bad pope’s early death.
A prot site, but there's some excellent material in this article: https://praypsalms.org/22-reasons-to-pray-the-cursing-psalms-b4a85ae40aa9https://praypsalms.org/22-reasons-to-pray-the-cursing-psalms-b4a85ae40aa9 (https://praypsalms.org/22-reasons-to-pray-the-cursing-psalms-b4a85ae40aa9)
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I admit that the gray part was somehow off-topic and not much wise. The talk about Jan Hus was partly important...
In what sense do you mean it is a "nonsense" ?
This is a vicious lie or rather a slander by rabbi Louis Israel Newman. There was nothing judaizing about husites. Husites were christians, followers of Jesus Christ, and among main of their struggles was a dual communion, bread and wine as body and blood of Christ, as it is written in gospels, which is why they had a chalice on their flags. (An american Jєω is not a relevant authority on our national movement...)
Jan Hus did not endorse the husite looting at all, he died four or five years before these wars started. And he was only remotely related to Wycliffe, but many of his doctrines were different...
ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, the US Jєωs, may boast of what they like, but it is just not true...
Or otherwise, even you as Catholics are influenced by Old Testament, aren't you?
Jan Hus was no hero, and he certainly isn't a saint. And his death is not conclusive proof of the fallibility of Councils, as you previously wrote.
The Church has a right to make sure that errors are not promoted by heretics. This is done for the greater good. Obviously, this isn't the case anymore, since error is rarely condemned now.
Which church was it that apologized for his death? Do you mean the wimpy conciliar church?
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Jan Hus was no hero, and he certainly isn't a saint. And his death is not conclusive proof of the fallibility of Councils, as you previously wrote.
The Church has a right to make sure that errors are not promoted by heretics. This is done for the greater good. Obviously, this isn't the case anymore, since error is rarely condemned now.
Which church was it that apologized for his death? Do you mean the wimpy conciliar church?
To which I would like to add....why are you posting this information on this forum? Is it to rile people up? Surely you already know that your views are not going to be well-received here.
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Contemporaneous Jєωs in Bohemia regarded the Hussites, especially the radicals Taborites, as Jєωs-- or at least as the closest thing. They sang hymns reserved for Jєωιѕн martyrs commemorating them, if I recall correctly
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I admit that the gray part was somehow off-topic and not much wise. The talk about Jan Hus was partly important...
In what sense do you mean it is a "nonsense" ?
This is a vicious lie or rather a slander by rabbi Louis Israel Newman. There was nothing judaizing about husites. Husites were christians, followers of Jesus Christ, and among main of their struggles was a dual communion, bread and wine as body and blood of Christ, as it is written in gospels, which is why they had a chalice on their flags. (An american Jєω is not a relevant authority on our national movement...)
Jan Hus did not endorse the husite looting at all, he died four or five years before these wars started. And he was only remotely related to Wycliffe, but many of his doctrines were different...
ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, the US Jєωs, may boast of what they like, but it is just not true...
Or otherwise, even you as Catholics are influenced by Old Testament, aren't you?
I nominate you to contest against Fran Taubman (a troll that infests unz.com) for the title of "most lies in so few words."
Následujete Jana Husa do věčného ohně.
I already cited the core of Wycliffe, Hus, and Hussite Judaizing—a reversion to the superseded Old Testament model of Israel, a type of nationalist slaughter that, inspired by Hus' agitation of the peasantry while in exile (e.g., his Manifesto of 1412) began before Hus' death and reached foul Taborite nadir after his death.
Hus doesn't need Rabbi Newman because Hus damned himself with his own words from that Manifesto:
Let us stand in battle line with our head, Master Hus, and our leader, Master Jerome [of Prague, who continued Hussite agitprop in Prague after Hus' exile], and whoever will be a Christian, let him turn to us. Let everyone gird on his sword, let brother not spare brother. nor father spare son, nor son father, nor neighbor spare neighbor…all should kill so that we can make our hands holy in blood of the accursed ones, as Moses shows us in his books, for what is written there is an example to us.
"Christian"? No more Christian than "Christian" Zionists.
"remotely related to Wycliffe"? As early as A.D. 1390 Hus was a damned scribe for Wycliffe.
Jєωs provide some of the most damning evidence against themselves—in this case, Rabbi Newman provides 706 pages dense with evidence that the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan instigated and/or abetted every major heresy, including the Hussite heresy.
As Catholics, the Old Testament is ours, The Church is Israel, the only Israel today, and there is a New Covenant that has superseded the Mosaic Covenant and Mosaic Law, “made void,” “blotted out,” “set aside,” “taken away.” With the authority that God gave Peter and his successors, the Church, not Hus or Hussites, decides what from the Old Testament is incorporated into the New Law. For the record, the Church did not adopt your and Hus' Judaizing vision of the "holy nation."
(http://judaism.is/images/status%20of%20the%20covenants.jpg?crc=3846596295)
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Sent to Matthew:
I'll try not to make this a habit.
https://www.cathinfo.com/profile/?area=showposts;u=6598 (https://www.cathinfo.com/profile/?area=showposts;u=6598)
Hello everyone.
Although baptized as Catholic, I'm now an Ecuмenical Christian philosopher, believing that most branches on the Tree of the Church are beneficial for the good of Humanity and the glory of God. Lk 5:7 "And they beckoned unto their partners, which were in the other ship, that they should come and help them. And they came, and filled both the ships ..." - it's a parable and we know, in which sense they have been fishers of men. Actually, I'm a Heretic, seeking and valuing Truth above any Dogma. My nick-name or spiritual name "Semi" means Half, and among else I'm an astrophysics amateur scientist, or rather a scientific heretic too.
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True to his boast of being a heretic, he is promoting the Hussite heresy:
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/francis-its-an-honor-that-americans-attack-me/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/francis-its-an-honor-that-americans-attack-me/)
(https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/francis-its-an-honor-that-americans-attack-me/)
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A prot site, but there's some excellent material in this article: https://praypsalms.org/22-reasons-to-pray-the-cursing-psalms-b4a85ae40aa9https://praypsalms.org/22-reasons-to-pray-the-cursing-psalms-b4a85ae40aa9 (https://praypsalms.org/22-reasons-to-pray-the-cursing-psalms-b4a85ae40aa9)
When we were fighting the pederasts, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖists, and heretics in our Diocese, we prayed Rosaries and other prayers of reparation in front of the chancery, but also:
Psalm 34 (Psalm of David)
Judge thou, O Lord, them that wrong me: overthrow them that fight against me.
Take hold of arms and shield: and rise up to help me.
Bring out the sword, and shut up the way against them that persecute me: say to my soul:
I am thy salvation.
Let them be confounded and ashamed that seek after my soul. Let them be turned back and be confounded that devise against me.
Let them become as dust before the wind: and let the angel of the Lord straiten them.
Let their way become dark and slippery; and let the angel of the Lord pursue them.
For without cause they have hidden their net for me unto destruction: without cause they have upbraided my soul.
Let the snare which he knoweth not come upon him: and let the net which he hath hidden catch him: and into that very snare let them fall.
But my soul shall rejoice in the Lord; and shall be delighted in his salvation.
All my bones shall say: Lord, who is like to thee? Who deliverest the poor from the hand of them that are stronger than he; the needy and the poor from them that strip him.
Unjust witnesses rising up have asked me things I knew not.
They repaid me evil for good: to the depriving me of my soul.
But as for me, when they were troublesome to me, I was clothed with haircloth. I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer shall be turned into my bosom.
As a neighbor and as an own brother, so did I please: as one mourning and sorrowful so was I humbled.
But they rejoiced against me, and came together: scourges were gathered together upon me, and I knew not.
They were separated, and repented not: they tempted me, they scoffed at me with scorn: they gnashed upon me with their teeth.
Lord, when wilt thou look upon me? rescue thou my soul from their malice: my only one from the lions.
I will give thanks to thee in a great church; I will praise thee in a strong people.
Let not them that are my enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: who have hated me without cause, and wink with the eyes.
For they spoke indeed peaceably to me; and speaking in the anger of the earth they devised guile.
And they opened their mouth wide against me; they said: Well done, well done, our eyes have seen it.
Thou hast seen, O Lord, be not thou silent: O Lord, depart not from me.
Arise, and be attentive to my judgment: to my cause, my God, and my Lord.
Judge me, O Lord my God according to thy justice, and let them not rejoice over me.
Let them not say in their hearts: It is well, it is well, to our mind: neither let them say: We have swallowed him up.
Let them blush: and be ashamed together, who rejoice at my evils. Let them be clothed with confusion and shame, who speak great things against me.
Let them rejoice and be glad, who are well pleased with my justice, and let them say always: The Lord be magnified, who delights in the peace of his servant.
And my tongue shall meditate thy justice, thy praise all the day long.
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Current Pope Francis is present and very dangerous now, by his push to open doors to all kinds of migrants...
Typical diversion. Great job Mark 79 and others in answering him!
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It is indeed "my business" to recognize and oppose heresy.
You boasted of being a heretic as indeed you are.
2 Corinthians 6:15 makes clear that I have neither concord nor part with you.
Allow me to lay out the unwelcome mat.
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Current Pope Francis is present and very dangerous now, by his push to open doors to all kinds of migrants...
Francis' denial of proper Church teaching and his promotion of error is what makes him dangerous. Opening doors to migrants is one of the problems, but it's more of a symptom of his Modernist views.
Jan Hus also promoted error. I side with the Church in his condemnation. I have no interest in reading his false teachings.
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Typical diversion. Great job Mark 79 and others in answering him!
Diversion, as in "whataboutism."
Only today to spotlight the aforementioned judensau Fran Taubman, I composed this meme:
(http://judaism.is/images/definition%20whataboutism.jpg)
Hussite Judaizing, uses Jєωιѕн whataboutism (What about Mr. Bergoglio?), and preens his "antisemitism" bona fides. As I smelled, a rat similar to Fran.
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I've written in introduction, that I'm a heretic, and whether you would burn me at stack, half as a joke, or excommunicate me...? Because my favourite martyr Saint, master Jan Hus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus), who died with a prayer and forgiveness on his lips, while defending Good Faith and Church against corruption of medieval elites, was burnt on stack by a devilish council, quarreling for political might in the time of three popes. Recently, the Church has appologized for his death, but it is not enough. He was a martyr saint, regardless whether the Church proclaimed him such already, and was a conclusive proof of fallibility of councils, because that was a time when the fallen council condemned and executed a true saint.
(Elsewhere you have advised me to return to the Church... As time allows, I attend masses at catholic church in nearby town... Where I live today, in the nearby town there are two churches, one of them is catholic, and the other is "czecho-slovak hussite church", which could be thought of as a national ecclesia of a saint heretic (my jest). The catholic priest here is utterly stupid man, such that he talked a Christmas-night homily about fear, whether the world has feared born baby Jesus and why, and recently nearby Easter he talked a homily, whether Jesus is a shepherd or a pimp, and whether priests, because these words sound similar in our language, and more such absurd and witless stuff. In the hussite church, the priest is a hidden rabbi, a Jєω known for translating тαℓмυd, a kind wise bearded old man and seemingly a christian priest. But after last Easter, when he canceled big-friday service, that Jєωιѕн-like seder on thursday is enough, and scheduled some burial ceremony on white saturday, then I rather returned to the catholic church, better a witless somehow funny dude but at least a christian... I admit that it is specific situation and elsewhere it may be different...) This just to say, that there is a whole ecclesia named in honor of that Jan Hus in my country, but we (or they) are not expecting or awaiting proclamation of Jan Hus as a saint, they do not acknowledge catholic saints at all...
Well, nowadays, the Pope Francis has been serving the Luciferians, from all his Love above Reason, as a high-treason inviting Migrants, which are part of the Luciferian (free-masonic) plan of menaces, and it shall be proven soon. Francis is a living proof of fallibility of popes. And as a minor bag-holder servant of Luciferians and Antichrist Judas, he cannot serve as a Pope any more and he shall abdicate, and there comes again a time of three Popes, (which seems like a deserved Karma... Not because of any revenge, but he should abdicate, because he is dangerous to the Church and to the (European and American) Humanity). ...
You should wash feet of your servants (or subordinates), as Apostles have been serving Jesus and so he washed their feet, but Pope washing feet of black migrants just shows, that they are serving him to destroy our homelands. Also the brotherhood with Islamic leaders could be acceptable in times of peace, but at times of Islamic invasion into Europe it is a Treason too... (Similar with supporting central-american invasion into USA.) Among all other faux-pas, such as covering the cross and bowing before an anti-christian (http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#u16372-430) woman, such as supporting noahide (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/06/francis-is-onboard-with-noahide-program.html) тαℓмυdists, and many more...
(http://pialpha.cz/Francis_Migrants_mix.jpg)
I am far from claiming that Pope or Vatican is Antichrist, not at all... He just became an unwitting minor bag-holder servant of Antichrist collective, which already rules the world... But there should not stay (or rule) Love above Reason in the Head, neither personally neither institutionally or nationally, Ecclesia being no exception to this.
(... the text continued here about litigation appeals but you are not ready to understand that right yet...) (In short - should there be any dubiousness, I appeal this litigation to the Council.)
Doesn't look like a side note to me. You opened your post with your admiration for Jan Hus, and criticism of the Catholic Church, and we're supposed to believe it's side note?
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Shouldn't this be in the "Crisis in the Church" forum?
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OK, the context was informal. The Pope was not speaking at a press conference. He was making a personal response to an author who had presented him with a book. There just happened to be a few dozen reporters within earshot, so the Pope’s comment couldn’t be denied. (Recall that when Pope Francis reportedly denied the existence of hell (https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=1279), the Vatican said the quotation could not “be considered a faithful transcription” and left it at that.)
But let’s take a closer look at that “informal context.” The Pope had been presented with a copy of How American Wants to Change the Pope, in which author Nicolas Seneze argues that a powerful coalition of conservative American political interests is working against the Pontiff. The Pope expresses a keen interest in the book, and in another offhand remark as he passed the book to an aide, described it as “a bomb.”
Seneze does not merely report that the Pope has American critics; he claims, in effect, that there is an American conspiracy against the papacy. Pope Francis indicates that he is anxious to learn more about the conspiracy theory. Now in that “informal context” does it really sound as if the Pope feels honored by this criticism?
The papal spokesman goes on to say that the Pope is honored because the criticism comes from “authoritative thinkers.” Is he saying, then, that the American critics of the Pontiff are “authoritative thinkers?” Because that really isn’t the thrust of the Seneze book that the Pope was welcoming. Seneze argues that the American critics are politically motivated: a theme that the Pope’s closest associates have sounded frequently. Or is Seneze himself the authoritative thinker? Because he’s not criticizing the Pope; he’s criticizing those people who criticize the Pope.
Finally—not to belabor the point unduly—despite his claims and those of his spokesman, there’s precious little evidence that Pope Francis is “honored’ by criticism. Ask Cardinals Burke and Müller. Ask the other authors of the dubia. Ask the priests who were summarily dismissed from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for voicing concerns about the Pope’s thinking. Ask the ousted faculty members of the John Paul II Institute (https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=1356). One honors criticism by responding to it. The track record suggests that Pope Francis prefers to suppress it.
Could it be that some of those who attack him are freemasons?
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Huh? The only Freemasons are the communists who infiltrated the Church.
Pope Francis judged people who are actually Catholic. He is very worried.
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Is Poche Novus Ordo??? :( ?
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Speaking aboard the papal plane from Madagascar to Rome Tuesday, Pope Francis said he welcomes criticism if it is given openly, fairly, and with a willingness to be debated.
“Of criticisms, I always see the advantages. Sometimes you get angry, but the advantages are there,” he said Sept. 10 during an in-flight press conference.
“A fair criticism is always well received, at least by me.”
He said when receiving criticism one should examine it for truth, but that he appreciates when the criticism is given honestly and to his face.
“I do not like it when critics are under the table. They smile, they let you see their teeth and then they stab you in the back. This is not loyal, not human,” he said.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-says-he-welcomes-constructive-criticism-89485 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-says-he-welcomes-constructive-criticism-89485)
I know that nobody here would criticize the Pope behind his back.
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It would be a traditional Catholic honor to meet the pope face to face to admonish him.
To tell him he IS NOT CATHOLIC...
To tell him he is just one of the two “worm ridden” Popes Our Lady of LaSalette foretold to the holy French child seers, there would be.
To tell him he will be dead and in Hell soon and that his fellow anti-Catholic minions would follow him there for eternity.
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Señor Bergoglio said that Jesus Christ sinned and made Himself the devil.
https://www.antoniosocci.com/bergoglio-arriva-ad-affermare-chiesa-gesu-si-diavolo-tutti-fanno-finta-nulla-la-sua-strategia/ (https://www.antoniosocci.com/bergoglio-arriva-ad-affermare-chiesa-gesu-si-diavolo-tutti-fanno-finta-nulla-la-sua-strategia/)
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Señor Bergoglio said that Jesus Christ sinned and made Himself the devil.
https://www.antoniosocci.com/bergoglio-arriva-ad-affermare-chiesa-gesu-si-diavolo-tutti-fanno-finta-nulla-la-sua-strategia/ (https://www.antoniosocci.com/bergoglio-arriva-ad-affermare-chiesa-gesu-si-diavolo-tutti-fanno-finta-nulla-la-sua-strategia/)
Bomb
Socci: "That devil of Jesus", word of Pope Bergoglio
7 April 2017
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In the Church many have their hands in their hair, because things that have never been seen are happening. There have been popes of all kinds in two thousand years, but a pope had never happened in the church who, in the homily of the Mass, utters phrases that - in the mouth of anyone else - would be considered blasphemy. The otherriers, for example, pope Bergoglio, in Santa Marta, came up with an expression that must have frozen the listeners (even if then nobody has the courage to say anything).
Commenting - in a totally absurd way - on the biblical passage of the serpent raised by Moses in the desert (Numbers 21, 4-9), he affirmed that Jesus "became sin, made himself a devil, a serpent for us". Textual. But how can we say that Jesus "became a devil"?
Jesus, for Christian doctrine, took upon himself the sins of all, paying for everyone as a sacrificial lamb without blemish, so that St. Paul writes: "He who had not known sin, God treated him as sin in our favor, because we we could become God's righteousness through him "(2 Cor 5:21).
But to say that Jesus "became a devil" is something completely different (with a gnostic flavor). The Son of God became man to redeem men, he did not become a devil to redeem the devils, who, I remember, are totally connoted by the inextinguishable hatred of God (it is unimaginable for a Pope to say such a thing about Jesus).
Lost - There is now a long series of sortie of this kind with which Bergoglio has long bombed the poor flock of increasingly disconcerted and bewildered Christians. To Eugenio Scalfari he declared that "there is no Catholic God". On 16 June 2016, opening the Conference of the Diocese of Rome, in the Basilica of San Giovanni in Laterano, he came out stating that Jesus, in the episode of the adulteress, "is a bit of a fool". Then he added that Jesus - always in the episode in which he saved the woman from stoning - "has failed towards morality" (this text too). Finally, even that Jesus was not "clean" (it is not known that he meant).
Add to this the "magisterium of gestures", such as the fact that in greeting the faithful he never makes with the hand the sign of the cross, or his obstinate refusal to kneel before the tabernacle and before Jesus the Eucharist (while he kneels in a whole series of other occasions in which there is no Eucharist).
Various other shots could be added, above all on questions concerning morals, for example always in Scalfari he said that «each of us has his own vision of the Good and also of the Evil. We must incite him to proceed towards what he thinks is Good "(a perfect manifesto of relativism, the end of Catholicism).
But what is most striking is the progressiveness of the increasingly unheard-of statements about Jesus, culminating in the sentence of the day before yesterday ("he became a devil"). What explanations can be found? The first that comes to mind is theological ignorance. True, Pope Bergoglio is not culturally equipped and is one of the few people who came to the cardinalate and then to the papacy without a doctorate in theology. But above all, if one is so unprepared in theology and so imprudent as to make declarations on the verge of blasphemy, it is good that he does not hold the highest office (even doctrinal) of the Church because it would be like putting a boy, who does not even know how to drive a car , to pilot a Boeing. Or at least it is good that you do not speak in arm.
Secondly, the lack of theological qualifications does not explain such disconcerting statements, because one can take any parish priest of Christianity who has only done the seminary (without other titles), and certainly will never say such things. Not even one who simply attended the Catechism. The fact is that Bergoglio literally theorized "incomplete thought". And those who continue to have a solid thought are disqualified as doctrinaire, fundamentalist and rigorous. He declared this in an interview with Father Spadaro criticizing the past learned of the Jesuits: "epochs (in which) in the company" he said "a closed, rigid, more instructive-ascetic than mystical thought was lived". Then in Evangelii Gaudium he took it upon "those who dream of a monolithic doctrine defended by all without nuances" (n. 40). And finally he wrote: "Sometimes, listening to a completely orthodox language, what the faithful receive, because of the language they use and understand, is something that does not correspond to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ" (n. 41).
Today we have the first pope who - instead of being the Custodian of doctrinal orthodoxy - criticizes the "completely orthodox language". According to some, he does it to justify the goodies he says and wants to continue to spread. But this stubborn will, which has been constant for four years now, suggests that there is a systematic decision to deconstruct Catholic doctrine or at least subject it to such delegitimization as to make the idea pass, in the Christian people, that everyone can say, think and believe what he wants. It is the empire of relativism. Indeed a Barnum Circus. But, perhaps, to fully understand what is happening, it is good to remember the "dramatic struggle" in the Church, of which he spoke, a year ago, at the Pontifical Gregorian University, Msgr. Georg Gaenswein, secretary of Benedict XVI, about the 2005 Conclave, which led to the election of card. Ratzinger, to whom the then card was opposed Bergoglio, supported by progressives.
Clash - Gaenswein evoked precisely the Conclave of April 2005 "from which Joseph Ratzinger, after one of the shortest elections in the history of the Church, came out elected after only four ballots following a dramatic struggle between the so-called" Salt Party of the Earth " (Salt of Earth Party) around cardinals López Trujíllo, Ruini, Herranz, Rouco Varela or Medina and the so-called St. Gall Group around cardinals Danneels, Martini, Silvestrini or Murphy-O 'Connor () The election was certainly the result also of a clash, the key of which had almost provided Ratzinger himself as cardinal dean, in the historic homily of 18 April 2005 in St. Peter's; and precisely there where "a dictatorship of relativism that recognizes nothing as definitive and leaves only its own ego and desires as its last measure" had contrasted another measure: "the Son of God and true man" like "the measure of true humanism "". Gaenswein then added that at present the mentality that Benedict XVI had opposed is prevailing and "the" dictatorship of relativism "has long been expressed in an overwhelming way through the many channels of new media that could barely be imagined in 2005" . Words that make us understand what drama is going on inside the Church today. One of the greatest living Catholic philosophers, Robert Spaemann, a personal friend of Benedict XVI, thundered some time ago on Die Tagespost with an article with an eloquent title: "Even in the Church there is a limit to tolerability".
Another important Catholic philosopher, Josef Seifert, a collaborator of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, intervened with very harsh criticism, which motivated him thus: «the Pope is not infallible if he does not speak ex cathedra. Various Popes (like Formosus and Honorius I) were condemned for heresy. And it is our holy duty - out of love and mercy towards so many souls - to criticize our bishops and even our dear Pope, if they deviate from the truth and if their mistakes damage the Church and souls ». Such an explosive situation in the Church had never been seen.
Antonio Socci
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"That devil of Jesus"
Now Bergy is "projecting" and showing us his Jєωιѕн side.
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Pope allowed this to take place...
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/dolan-sells-out-catholic-beauty-at-met-gala (https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/dolan-sells-out-catholic-beauty-at-met-gala)
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https://nationalpost.com/holy-post/pope-rents-out-sistine-chapel-for-exclusive-porsche-party (https://nationalpost.com/holy-post/pope-rents-out-sistine-chapel-for-exclusive-porsche-party)
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We American Catholics are not criticizing the Pope. We are admonishing the sinner. Per St Thomas Aquinas.
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тαℓмυdic scuм
“As regular readers of [Call Me Jorge (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/)] know, Francis is into all things Judaic, especially Chasidism. Their doctrines creep out here and there in Francis’ sermons and docuмents. One of the things which Francis does with regularity is to invert the teachings of the Church. An example of this is the use of the term ‘pharisee’ which he applies to his enemies, who are not open to тαℓмυdic Judaism and Francis’ anti-Catholic machinations. Another example is his favorite blasphemous painting, White Crucifixion (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.is/2014/05/update-on-white-crucifixion.html). Francis shows his hand, when he inverts Catholic doctrine, as a modernist change agent (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2014/12/modernists-are-really-traditionalists.html) who is simply following the dictates of ‘The Rebbe’ to be (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/03/noahide-proselytizing-rabbi-riskin.html), “modern on the outside and Chabad on the inside.” One of the most blatant examples is Francis teaching (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/where-francis-doctrine-originates.html) the тαℓмυdic formula: Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah (“descent for sake of ascent”). This teaching simply means that one has to descend into sin, which paradoxically has a positive status in Hasidism, in order to ascend to new heights. This is done because the god of тαℓмυdic Judaism is one of opposites — a hermaphrodite god (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/06/vatican-instills-double-mind.html) of good/evil. In the Hasidic lore, tzaddiks (saints or righteous people) wrestle not with evil but with goodness as they descend into sin in this process in order to ascend into righteousness. Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah is one of the foundational beliefs of Orthodox тαℓмυdic Judaism along with Tikkun Olam. In the later belief the rabbis have the chutzpah to state that God made creation imperfect and the тαℓмυdic Jєωs are to correct his work.
“The Hasidism of Francis’ mind is also shown when he says such things as (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/04/francis-gnostic-gospel.html), “[Jesus] made himself the devil” and (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/03/another-day-another-blasphemous-joke.html) “the Holy Trinity [is] arguing behind closed doors but on the outside they give the picture of unity.” Who else sees Jesus as a devil or God as a bunch of arguing rabbis other than a тαℓмυdist? Whether he is parroting the ideas of Heschel (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/reading-francis-through-heschel.html), Levinas (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-hermeneutics-of-тαℓмυdic-alchemical.html), Buber (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/06/francis-kabbalistic-gnostic-god-man.html), Wiesel (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2016/07/elie-wiesel-pope-francis-rich-orthodox.html), a dead rebbe from the Steppes (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/francis-hasidic-concept-of-god-of.html), or having over rabbis as guests (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/09/how-many-books-on-тαℓмυdic-judaism-does.html) who often gift him with books (Gluck (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/05/francis-adds-copy-of-mystic-tales-from.html) & Steinsaltz (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/12/guess-who-had-private-audience-with.html)) there’s an excellent chance it’s comes from the Baal Shem Tov and his cult in one manner or another.
“In the video clip below (http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/1489509/Jєωιѕн/Moving-Back-to-Move-Forward.htm) the late Chabad Lubavitcher rabbi, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, explains why Hasids should descend (into sin) in order to ascend — they are hunters getting ready to kill their prey. Another late Chasidic rabbi, Abraham Heschel (of Vatican II’s Nostra Aetate), in a 1965 interview with Ma'ariv explained exactly whom the prey were (https://books.google.com/books?id=MYHmbLAm_csC&pg=PA272&lpg=PA272&dq=I+want+to+attack+their+souls.+Today,+there+is+no+longer+any+place+for+religious+wars+as+such.&source=bl&ots=UNNbhGeVdI&sig=YQlapT5ywlHGEbSM0bXgdN_MkaI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9hGoVOLRJtWzyAT0yoCYAw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=I%20want%20to%20attack%20their%20souls.%20Today%2C%20there%20is%20no%20longer%20any%20place%20for%20religious%20wars%20as%20such.&f=false), “There are those who would like to attack [Christians’] bodies. I want to attack their souls.” The elevation which takes place is one which will incorporate the prey’s soul into the of cult тαℓмυdic Judaism and worship of their demonic hermaphrodite god. It’s a total inversion of Catholicism, the religion instituted by Jesus the Christ. So why is Francis teaching it (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/where-francis-doctrine-originates.html)?”
the Rebbe explains the Hasidic stratagem of “descent for sake of ascent”
https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html)
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Douay-Rheims Bible (https://biblehub.com/drb/galatians/1.htm)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema Galatians 1:8.
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I am not really interested in non-Catholic teaching.
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https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/01/17/pope-francis-honors-dutch-abortion-activist-with-pontifical-medal-of-knighthood/ (https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/01/17/pope-francis-honors-dutch-abortion-activist-with-pontifical-medal-of-knighthood/)
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I am not really interested in non-Catholic teaching.
What? The Bible is Catholic reading.
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Douay-Rheims Bible (https://biblehub.com/drb/galatians/1.htm)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema Galatians 1:8.
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JMJ
Nine ways of being an accessory to another’s sin.
**1.**By Counsel
**2.**By Command
**3.**By Consent
**4.**By Concealment
**5.**By Defense of Evil Done
**6.**By Partaking
**7.**By Provocation
**8.**By Praise
**9.**By Silence
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My husband is right when he said not Pope but traitor.
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These says he that has the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars:
I know your works, that you have a name that you live, but you are dead. (Rev3:1)
You are naming yourself traditional catholics, but you are a fringe sect that is less catholic than the (disgracefully pro-lgbtqp) Lutheran Church of Finland.
If you mean, that being very fixed in tradition is the right way, then go apologize and convert to Russian orthodoxy, because they are the truest tradition, you are just followers of the filioque heresy of 1054. There is nothing catholic about staying dead in the past.
These six things the LORD hates: and seventh is an abomination for his soul:
A proud look (haughty eyes), a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speakes lies, and he that sows discord among brothers. (Pro 6:16-19)
You SSPX Lefebrist sect of anti-catholics just sow discord among catholic christian brothers and you are abomination for the soul of God.
And those who have ears, read J21:23-24 - this one even didn't faithfully write down, what the Son of Man has said here, and his testimony is false, and I do not want him to stay when I have returned.
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You, Mark79, the accuser (denunciator) Rat, who twice accused (blamed) me of being rat for no good reason, it was just your beam in your eye speaking. (Mt7:3)
Falsely accusing me of "whataboutism" while you yourself have been performing whataboutism and diversion against me.
While others may have not understand it well, from you it was just a dirty envy against my revelations.
And as you lie "preens his antisemitism bona fides", mere ten of my posts here have shown too anti-semitic (because of unpleasant and dangerous Truth), even for your board, which is just one of controlled opposition dens, misleading people into wrong lies about covenants and other nonsense. (You are not in a position to declare God's covenants valid or invalid, yoy are just a bitching rat.)
And you commited all seven failures from Proverbs 6, some of them just virtually over internet, but I do not doubt you would commit them physically too, if you could...
Some wife and good Mato accusing me of pride in Introduction, that is also just a beam in your eye, but I forgive that to you...
Admin Matthew boasting of having "much lighter moderating hand" in his interview banned and erased me the first day without any warning just for advocating martyr Jan Hus, (into which advocating I've been cornered by opponent's diversion), you Lefebwrist heretics accused me of being Hussite heretic, excommunicated and burned me at virtual stack even without a warning or due process.
The next day I've just proven, that you do not withstand true biblical anti-semitism here, which I've promised originally, you just spew misleading lies and non-dangerous half-truths from judaism.is website, and witless geo-centric nonsense lies to keep people in darkness...
I thank good Meg for what has she done to me, delivering my original message about Francis in a quote to make it to the archive.org for a testimony... (Now you can delete it here if you like, it doesn't matter any more...)
https://web.archive.org/web/20190911134422/https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/introduce-yourself!/1035/
https://web.archive.org/web/20190911083735/https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/francis-its-an-honor-that-americans-attack-me/15/
(From the talk about Francis and Jan Hus there only stayed, what the opponents quoted from me, who served me as my Hippolytus, foremost thanks to the good Meg, and who served as a proof you have erased me in vain...)
https://web.archive.org/web/20190911114539/https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/Jєωιѕн-v-christian-spirit/165/
I'm just sorry that I've lost my time today with you here...
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/to-hell-with-vatican-ii/msg666873/#msg666873
klasG4e has hit it right - CathInfo and Matt are just a controlled opposition gatekeepers, false fraud... In spiritual darkness are those who claim to be catholics while opposing Vatican II reform...
The Pope does everything he can to serve the Luciferians into misleading people, that Antichrist is a Pope in Vatican, while he is just a minor bag-holder servant of the mighty Antichrist collective, which are not just not-good-enough christians, but outright anti-christians and you all know (((them)))...
Jan Hus was a heretic.
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"Some wife and good Mato accusing me of pride in Introduction, that is also just a beam in your eye, but I forgive that to you..."
Thank you for forgiving me. I forgive you also. We are all guilty of pride to some degree, including me, and including you. I do think you are blinded by pride (but I think the same of most people including myself to some degree or another. Do you know of a man who care stare at the sun without blinking? That is a man without a beam or a mote in his eye). Take it or leave it, it is just my opinion based on your posts.
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Señor Bergoglio is still a heretic.
Bergoglio was a pertinacious public heretic years before the 2013 Conclave
https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2017/09/08/bergoglio-was-a-pertinacious-public-heretic-years-before-the-2013-conclave/ (https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2017/09/08/bergoglio-was-a-pertinacious-public-heretic-years-before-the-2013-conclave/)
Bergoglio’s Heretical Past is Francis’ Present (only the Spanish language original survives)
https://youtu.be/DsnI4q6GsFU (https://youtu.be/DsnI4q6GsFU)
Francis re-defrocks fellow Novus Ordo priest in the name of defending Orthodox Judaism
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/07/francis-re-defrocks-fellow-novus-ordo.html (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/07/francis-re-defrocks-fellow-novus-ordo.html)
Francis and the Shekinah
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/05/francis-shekinah.html (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/05/francis-shekinah.html)
Teachings of [Jorge Bergoglio] compared to past Church Teaching
http://francisquotes.com (http://francisquotes.com)
Francis promotes the [620] noahide laws
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/06/francis-is-onboard-with-noahide-program.html (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/06/francis-is-onboard-with-noahide-program.html)