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Francis: “it’s an honor that Americans attack me”
« on: September 08, 2019, 05:46:01 PM »
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    Pope Francis: ‘honored’ by criticism?
    by Phil Lawler | Sep 05, 2019
          
    In the latest effort to explain away an unguarded utterance by Pope Francis, Matteo Bruni, the director of the Vatican press office, told reporters how they should interpret the papal remark that “it’s an honor that Americans attack me.”
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    In an informal context, the Pope wanted to say that he always considers criticisms an honor, particularly when they come from authoritative thinkers and, in this case, an important nation.

    OK, the context was informal. The Pope was not speaking at a press conference. He was making a personal response to an author who had presented him with a book. There just happened to be a few dozen reporters within earshot, so the Pope’s comment couldn’t be denied. (Recall that when Pope Francis reportedly denied the existence of hell, the Vatican said the quotation could not “be considered a faithful transcription” and left it at that.)

    But let’s take a closer look at that “informal context.” The Pope had been presented with a copy of How American Wants to Change the Pope, in which author Nicolas Seneze argues that a powerful coalition of conservative American political interests is working against the Pontiff. The Pope expresses a keen interest in the book, and in another offhand remark as he passed the book to an aide, described it as “a bomb.”

    Seneze does not merely report that the Pope has American critics; he claims, in effect, that there is an American conspiracy against the papacy. Pope Francis indicates that he is anxious to learn more about the conspiracy theory. Now in that “informal context” does it really sound as if the Pope feels honored by this criticism?

    The papal spokesman goes on to say that the Pope is honored because the criticism comes from “authoritative thinkers.” Is he saying, then, that the American critics of the Pontiff are “authoritative thinkers?” Because that really isn’t the thrust of the Seneze book that the Pope was welcoming. Seneze argues that the American critics are politically motivated: a theme that the Pope’s closest associates have sounded frequently. Or is Seneze himself the authoritative thinker? Because he’s not criticizing the Pope; he’s criticizing those people who criticize the Pope.

    Finally—not to belabor the point unduly—despite his claims and those of his spokesman, there’s precious little evidence that Pope Francis is “honored’ by criticism. Ask Cardinals Burke and Müller. Ask the other authors of the dubia. Ask the priests who were summarily dismissed from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for voicing concerns about the Pope’s thinking. Ask the ousted faculty members of the John Paul II Institute. One honors criticism by responding to it. The track record suggests that Pope Francis prefers to suppress it.
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    Re: Francis: “it’s an honor that Americans attack me”
    « Reply #1 on: September 08, 2019, 08:26:40 PM »
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  • Francis will deflect criticism by mocking Americans, but he knows his real enemies are traditional Catholics.

    For as St. Don Bosco advised his students, Catholics can and should pray for a bad pope’s early death.  

    There is no love lost on Francis.  
    There are no “Viva la Papas!” for him.

    The Destroyer clown, who loves to bow down to the enemies of Christ, will go down in infamy.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Francis: “it’s an honor that Americans attack me”
    « Reply #2 on: September 08, 2019, 09:16:11 PM »
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  • …For as St. Don Bosco advised his students, Catholics can and should pray for a bad pope’s early death. …


    Do you have an exact quote and source, so that St. Don Bosco's exhortation may justly be posted here alongside St. Francis' prophesy: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html ?

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    Re: Francis: “it’s an honor that Americans attack me”
    « Reply #3 on: September 09, 2019, 08:11:43 AM »
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  • Francis will deflect criticism by mocking Americans, but he knows his real enemies are traditional Catholics.

    For as St. Don Bosco advised his students, Catholics can and should pray for a bad pope’s early death.  

    There is no love lost on Francis.  
    There are no “Viva la Papas!” for him.

    The Destroyer clown, who loves to bow down to the enemies of Christ, will go down in infamy.
    Donald Trump said that he met with the North Korean dictator in order to prevent a war. His Holiness bows down in order to bring about their conversion.  

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    Re: Francis: “it’s an honor that Americans attack me”
    « Reply #4 on: September 09, 2019, 08:32:52 AM »
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  • Donald Trump said that he met with the North Korean dictator in order to prevent a war. His Holiness bows down in order to bring about their conversion.  
    Poche, conversion to what, the NO? The only ones the conciliar popes think need to convert are traditional Catholics - and he has never bowed down to them. And finally, one does not become or join in with infidels in order to convert them, if he does, then he is one of them.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: Francis: “it’s an honor that Americans attack me”
    « Reply #5 on: September 09, 2019, 01:06:36 PM »
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  • Poche, conversion to what, the NO? The only ones the conciliar popes think need to convert are traditional Catholics - and he has never bowed down to them. And finally, one does not become or join in with infidels in order to convert them, if he does, then he is one of them.
    Conversion to the One True Faith, the Catholic Church. 

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    « Reply #6 on: September 09, 2019, 01:22:38 PM »
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  • Conversion to the One True Faith, the Catholic Church.
    His Holiness needs conversion to One True Faith, the Catholic Church before he can hope to convert (bad word within the NO) anyone to it.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Francis: “it’s an honor that Americans attack me”
    « Reply #7 on: September 09, 2019, 09:49:32 PM »
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  • Do you have an exact quote and source, so that St. Don Bosco's exhortation may justly be posted here alongside St. Francis' prophesy: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html ?

    I'm having trouble finding it...  I'll keep looking.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Francis: “it’s an honor that Americans attack me”
    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2019, 09:58:52 PM »
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  • Donald Trump said that he met with the North Korean dictator in order to prevent a war. His Holiness bows down in order to bring about their conversion.  
    Poche,

    Two comments:

    1. Our Lord never bowed down to evil.  The "Vicar of Christ" on earth is not to do it either.

    2. Donald Trump's Korea diplomacy was staged and 100% judaic "show biz".
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Francis: “it’s an honor that Americans attack me”
    « Reply #9 on: September 10, 2019, 03:15:40 PM »
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  • His Holiness needs conversion to One True Faith, the Catholic Church before he can hope to convert (bad word within the NO) anyone to it.

    So true.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Francis ... fallen pope
    « Reply #10 on: September 10, 2019, 03:20:11 PM »
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  • I've written in introduction, that I'm a heretic, and whether you would burn me at stack, half as a joke, or excommunicate me...? Because my favourite martyr Saint, master Jan Hus, who died with a prayer and forgiveness on his lips, while defending Good Faith and Church against corruption of medieval elites, was burnt on stack by a devilish council, quarreling for political might in the time of three popes. Recently, the Church has appologized for his death, but it is not enough. He was a martyr saint, regardless whether the Church proclaimed him such already, and was a conclusive proof of fallibility of councils, because that was a time when the fallen council condemned and executed a true saint.
    (Elsewhere you have advised me to return to the Church... As time allows, I attend masses at catholic church in nearby town... Where I live today, in the nearby town there are two churches, one of them is catholic, and the other is "czecho-slovak hussite church", which could be thought of as a national ecclesia of a saint heretic (my jest). The catholic priest here is utterly stupid man, such that he talked a Christmas-night homily about fear, whether the world has feared born baby Jesus and why, and recently nearby Easter he talked a homily, whether Jesus is a shepherd or a pimp, and whether priests, because these words sound similar in our language, and more such absurd and witless stuff. In the hussite church, the priest is a hidden rabbi, a Jєω known for translating тαℓмυd, a kind wise bearded old man and seemingly a christian priest. But after last Easter, when he canceled big-friday service, that Jєωιѕн-like seder on thursday is enough, and scheduled some burial ceremony on white saturday, then I rather returned to the catholic church, better a witless somehow funny dude but at least a christian... I admit that it is specific situation and elsewhere it may be different...) This just to say, that there is a whole ecclesia named in honor of that Jan Hus in my country, but we (or they) are not expecting or awaiting proclamation of Jan Hus as a saint, they do not acknowledge catholic saints at all...


    Nonsense.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Francis ... fallen pope
    « Reply #11 on: September 10, 2019, 04:18:39 PM »
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  • Nonsense.

    Yes and not just nonsense, but Judaizing manure from hell.

    Wycliffe and the Hussites were Judaizers and Erastians, invoking the Old Testament model of the nation of Israel as grounds for usurpations and looting of Church properties by the secular princes whom the Hussites deemed superior to the Church and papacy. At its core the Hussite "holy nation" revolution rejected Christ's insistence that His Kingdom was not of this world. Hussites waging war to perfect a "heaven on earth" stinks of the tikkun olam vomit of тαℓмυdic Judaism. The ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan boasts of their influence on Hus. (see Newman, esp pp. 437 ff.)

    Hus should have been burned in 1390 (when he first pimped for Wycliffe) instead of 1413.

    It is incongruous for a man to boast of his "antisemitism" bona fides while lauding, nay, canonizing an abject Judaizer. I smell a rat.

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    Re: Francis ... fallen pope
    « Reply #12 on: September 10, 2019, 04:59:54 PM »
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  • It is incongruous for a man to boast of his "antisemitism" bona fides while lauding, nay, canonizing an abject Judaizer. I smell a rat.
    Indeed!

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    Re: Francis: “it’s an honor that Americans attack me”
    « Reply #14 on: September 10, 2019, 05:51:38 PM »
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  • For as St. Don Bosco advised his students, Catholics can and should pray for a bad pope’s early death.  



    A prot site, but there's some excellent material in this article: https://praypsalms.org/22-reasons-to-pray-the-cursing-psalms-b4a85ae40aa9https://praypsalms.org/22-reasons-to-pray-the-cursing-psalms-b4a85ae40aa9