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Offline TKGS

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Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2019, 12:16:37 PM »
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  • Again.


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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #2 on: October 09, 2019, 12:21:32 PM »
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  • Again.
    It was more blatant this time. 
    He said Jesus Christ was not God.  Just a man of virtues

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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #3 on: October 09, 2019, 12:48:37 PM »
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  • His apostasy has been completely blatant for anyone with eyes to see for years.

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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #4 on: October 09, 2019, 02:17:58 PM »
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  • And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world. ~ 1 John 4:3

    Haydock Douay Rheims Bible commentary:
    Ver. 3. That dissolveth Jesus, viz. either by denying his humanity or his divinity. (Challoner) --- This is antichrist;[2] i.e. such is the spirit of antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, or is to come in the latter times. --- And he is now already in the world, not the chief and great antichrist, but his precursors, in whom he may be said to come. (Witham) --- And he is now already in the world. Not in his person, but in his spirit and in his precursors. (Challoner)
    And the Lord said to me: A conspiracy is found among the men of Juda, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. They are returned to the former iniquities of their fathers, who refused to hear my words: so these likewise have gone after strange gods, to serve them: [...]
    - Jeremias 11:9-15


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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #5 on: October 09, 2019, 08:24:48 PM »
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  • Are you sure he denied divinity of Christ??

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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #6 on: October 09, 2019, 08:35:06 PM »
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  • Well, if it is true, he would seem to have embraced the Ebionite heresy (quite fitting, given his Jewish proclivities):

    Christological Heresies

    Ebionism.
    Ebionism teaches that Jesus is just a man and not divine. The Ebionites were Jewish Christians in the early church. The Ebionites rejected the virgin birth, regarding Jesus as a man normally born of Joseph and Mary; they held he was the predestined Messiah, and in this capacity he would return to reign on earth. There are plenty of “Ebionites” around today. Everybody who says Jesus was just a good man or one prophet or holy man or good religious teacher among many.


    Adoptionism.
    Jesus was human, but he became the Son of God by Adoption. At some point in Jesus life (usually at his baptism) God adopted him as his Son. The early church document The Shepherd of Hermas taught that Jesus was an ordinary man, born of Mary and Joseph; at his baptism the Spirit or Christ descended upon Jesus and at his crucifixion the Christ departed, leaving the man Jesus to suffer alone. Some said Jesus became the Son of God at his resurrection.

    Docetism.
    In this christological heresy Jesus is not human at all. He is completely divine. The word Docetism comes from the Greek, dokein = “to seem”). The Docetists said Jesus just ‘seemed’ to be human. This was not a formal heresy with a group of people and a leader, but more an error in thought and perception which was overly influenced by Gnosticism and Greek philosophical ideas.

    Arianism.
    Arianism teaches that Jesus is related to God as his son, but he is not fully divine. Arius was a presbyter in the church of Alexandria. His teachings were an attempt to defend the transcendence of God. In the end, Arius had to conclude that Jesus Christ the Son of God was a demi-god–and therefore a created being. The argument focussed on two Greek words: homoousias, the Son is of the same essence as the Father, and homoiousias, the Son is of similar essence as the Father. The Nicene creed uses the word first word “homoousias” meaning one of substance with the Father, and so we say today, “Consubstantial with the Father.”

    Apollinarianism.
    In this heresy the Word (which was a perfect divine nature) assumed a human body in Jesus, and thus replaced his human soul and mind. Apollinaris, the Bishop of Laodicea, proposed this idea in answer to Arius. But if  the divine Word of God took the place of the human mind and soul, Christ the Lord was not completely human. After many years of controversy, Apollinarianism was condemned at the Council of Constantinople, A.D. 381.

    Nestorianism.
    Nestorius was the  Bishop of Constantinople (A.D. 428). He did not like the term for the Virgin Mary”Theotokos” because he said it implied that the baby in Mary’s womb had only one nature, divine nature. He proposed the use of the term “Christokos“, Christ-bearer, to better emphasize the unity of the two natures of Jesus. Cyril of Alexandria countered by saying that God Himself had entered the womb of Mary; therefore she was “Theotokos“. The Concil of Rome in 430 condemned Nestorianism.

    Monophysitism
    Monophysitism taught that the Lord’s humanity was totally absorbed by His divinity, and thus denied the orthodox view of Christ having two natures in one being.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #7 on: October 09, 2019, 08:40:09 PM »
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  • I doubt he have the courage to deny the divinity of Christ. Doing so, he is discrediting himself.


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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #8 on: October 09, 2019, 08:46:39 PM »
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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #9 on: October 09, 2019, 09:04:20 PM »
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  • Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #10 on: October 09, 2019, 10:43:13 PM »
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  • Has anyone ever seen this clown genuflect before a tabernacle?


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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #11 on: October 09, 2019, 11:36:38 PM »
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  • Has anyone ever seen this clown genuflect before a tabernacle?




    We would shed genuine crocodile tears if God struck him down like Arius on a latrine floor.





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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #12 on: October 10, 2019, 05:31:33 AM »
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  • Not sure I’m ready to accept second hand news from a 95 year-old atheist.
    The 95 year old atheist only writes for La Rupublica, which is the periodical that Bergoglio has said is the only one he reads.  In spite of read all the interviews conducted by this fellow, Bergoglio has never even suggested publicly that he has mischaracterized his statements.  Even though Vatican public relations has suggested that Scalfari has not been accurate in his reporting in the past, Bergoglio keeps giving interviews and does not correct the record.  Bergoglio seems happy to let the reporting stand and the public relations folks have never outright denied the quotes attributed.

    By what reasonable criteria do you doubt this man?

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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #13 on: October 10, 2019, 05:36:48 AM »
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  • Look, nothing surprises me any more about this guy who now occupies the office of the papacy. What his atheist friend (imasgine a pope with an atheist friend) said francis said, is very appealing to those with no faith, indeed it makes a lot of sense, invisible God becomes a man for 33 years and goes back to being an invisible god when he dies. Wow, a lot could fall for that reasoning. 


    If this perversion of Christ is true, he also shares this heresy with those millions who, thanks to 50 years of that NO Mass, deny a properly consecrated host is the body, blood, soul and DIVINITY of Christ.

    Jesuits love to question and offer modernist views of any doctrine they can find. They are the intellectual proud priests, and pride is the source of the greatest and most numerous sins.

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    Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
    « Reply #14 on: October 10, 2019, 06:53:05 AM »
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  • The 95 year old atheist only writes for La Rupublica, which is the periodical that Bergoglio has said is the only one he reads.  In spite of read all the interviews conducted by this fellow, Bergoglio has never even suggested publicly that he has mischaracterized his statements.  Even though Vatican public relations has suggested that Scalfari has not been accurate in his reporting in the past, Bergoglio keeps giving interviews and does not correct the record.  Bergoglio seems happy to let the reporting stand and the public relations folks have never outright denied the quotes attributed.

    By what reasonable criteria do you doubt this man?
    False; the Vatican regularlydenies what this guy says in his column.

    I want to hear it from the horses mouth, not a disreputable atheist trying to project his own opinions to the pope.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

     

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