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Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2017, 10:53:53 PM »
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  • This brings up an interesting question that Catholis should discuss, is it fine to pray for the unfaithful departed?

    This is my understanding and please correct me if you can show that I am wrong:

    Anyone who has died outside the Church, like the priest in this pathetically sad case, CANNOT have an ecclesiastical burrial and is ASSUMED to have died outside the Church. (This is also assuming that he was not reconciled with the Church by a true priest before he died) However, we don't know what happened at the moment of his death and whether he made an act of perfect contrition.

    Praying for him as one of the faithful departed is wrong, however, it seems to me, we can say some prayers for the repose of his soul on the slim chance that he did in fact make an act of perfect contrition before he died and left this world in the state of sanctifying grace. Those prayers would not be waisted if he ultimately went to hell since they would be applied to the pour souls in purgatory.
    The origin of hte Gregorian 30 day masses involves Pope St. Gregory praying for an excommunicated monk. His excommunication was not lifted while he lived. While we may conjecture about Fr. Griglak, and we may be right we could also be wrong. I think it is better to err in favor of praying for the souls in Purgatory.    

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #31 on: August 12, 2017, 10:55:49 PM »
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  • So, if a gender-render believes in bodily resurrection…?
    He believes in it now. 


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #32 on: August 12, 2017, 11:11:03 PM »
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  • "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #33 on: August 12, 2017, 11:55:53 PM »
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  • The origin of hte Gregorian 30 day masses involves Pope St. Gregory praying for an excommunicated monk. His excommunication was not lifted while he lived. While we may conjecture about Fr. Griglak, and we may be right we could also be wrong. I think it is better to err in favor of praying for the souls in Purgatory.    

    Okay Poche,

    Are you going to pony-up the stipend for Nancy's 30 Masses ?



    The traditional rate is "A stipend and a half"  (30 Mases x $20 = $600 + $300 = $900).

    If Nancy didn't make it, the Divine economy allows for those Mass graces to go to other souls in Purgatory.

    You can't lose.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #34 on: August 13, 2017, 01:08:48 PM »
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  • Maybe Poche would like to get the cut rate Novus Ordo at only $240 seen at https://www.seraphicmass.org/gregorian_masses.asp


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #35 on: August 13, 2017, 02:12:32 PM »
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  • The origin of hte Gregorian 30 day masses involves Pope St. Gregory praying for an excommunicated monk. His excommunication was not lifted while he lived. While we may conjecture about Fr. Griglak, and we may be right we could also be wrong. I think it is better to err in favor of praying for the souls in Purgatory.    
    According to the account given at this linked article the monk in question, Justus, actually made a "serious repentance" before he died.  Further, there is no specific mention that the monk was actually excommunicated, although he was ordered to solitary confinement.
    http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/d014rp30Gregorian_Somerville.html

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #36 on: August 13, 2017, 10:34:04 PM »
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  • According to the account given at this linked article the monk in question, Justus, actually made a "serious repentance" before he died.  Further, there is no specific mention that the monk was actually excommunicated, although he was ordered to solitary confinement.
    http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/d014rp30Gregorian_Somerville.html
    The word I heard used was excommunicatoin. 

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #37 on: August 14, 2017, 02:06:21 PM »
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  • The word I heard used was excommunicatoin.

    Okay, okay... he was excommunicated.

    How likely was he to get out of that?

    It took St. Pope Gregory to lift the excommunication, and the 30 consecutive Masses to get him into Heaven.

    Did Francis do anything similar for Nancy ?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #38 on: August 14, 2017, 11:46:22 PM »
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  • Okay, okay... he was excommunicated.

    How likely was he to get out of that?

    It took St. Pope Gregory to lift the excommunication, and the 30 consecutive Masses to get him into Heaven.

    Did Francis do anything similar for Nancy ?
    If he did I am unaware of it. I just want to remind you that we will all one day have to meet our maker. How will we pass the judgement? If we get what we deserved we might wind up in Hell. If we take advantage of the mercy that Jesus offers to us by going to mass and recieving the sacrements regularly tehn maybe we will escape the fires of Hell, but will we escape the fires of Purgatory? We could be sitting in Purgatory saying to ourselves, "Oh if only somebody would pray for me." 
    Even when the judge condemns a man to death for a horrible crime he traditioinally ends his sentence by saying , "And may God have mercy on your soul." 

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #39 on: August 15, 2017, 01:43:51 AM »
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  • Poche, I agree with you.

    But, St. Paul tells us the first sin is apostasy of the Faith, then the sinner is allowed to fall into perversions.

    There needs to be the scary, sobering recognition of those who unwittingly allowed themselves to loose their minds.

    We are too liberal and soft.

    The Romeo & Juliet play is a good example.  
    At the time it was written, Catholics knew the damning implications of their joint suicides.
    But modern standards have made the story line romantic, without consequences.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #40 on: August 15, 2017, 01:54:46 AM »
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  • Poche, I agree with you.

    But, St. Paul tells us the first sin is apostasy of the Faith, then the sinner is allowed to fall into perversions.

    There needs to be the scary, sobering recognition of those who unwittingly allowed themselves to loose their minds.

    We are too liberal and soft.

    The Romeo & Juliet play is a good example. 
    At the time it was written, Catholics knew the damning implications of their joint suicides.
    But modern standards have made the story line romantic, without consequences.
    "… unwittingly… " ?
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #41 on: August 16, 2017, 08:33:14 PM »
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  • The theology of Poche believes that Saints and unrepentant sinners both will all be in heaven.

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #42 on: August 18, 2017, 02:30:38 AM »
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  • The theology of Poche believes that Saints and unrepentant sinners both will all be in heaven.
    No, the theology of Poche means that unless we have some kind of private revelation, we do not know teh final disposition of anybody's soul. Therefore I pray for the repose of those who have died, that God will give me a merciful judgement when I die. And if I have to spend time in Purgatory that it will be very short.   

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #43 on: August 27, 2017, 07:01:23 PM »
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  • Poche,

    Based on the following TIA story, I concede to your point.


    Stories & Legends

    Considered Beyond Hope,
    An Old Woman Is Saved
    St. Alphonsus Liguori
    We read in the life of Sister Catherine, an Augustinian nun, that in the place where she lived, there lived also a woman named Mary, who in her youth was a sinner and obstinately continued in her evil ways, even to extreme old age.


    A woman appears asking for prayers and Masses
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    For this she was banished by her fellow-citizens, forced to live in a cave beyond the borders of the town and died in a state of loathsome corruption, abandoned by all and without the Sacraments. On this account she was buried in a field, like a beast.

    Now Sister Catherine, who was accustomed to recommend very affectionately to God the souls of those who had departed this life, after learning of the miserable death of this poor old woman, did not think of praying for her, as she and everyone else believed her already among the damned.

    Four years having past, a soul from Purgatory one day appeared to her and said: “Sister Catherine, how unhappy is my fate! You commend to God the souls of all those who die and for my soul alone you have had no pity.”

    “And who are you?” said the servant of God.

    She answered: “I am that poor Mary who died in the cave.”

    “What! Are you saved?” exclaimed Sister Catherine.

    “Yes, I am saved,” she said, “by the mercy of the Virgin Mary!”

    “And how?”

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    Our Lady, refuge of even the most abandoned souls
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    “When I saw death drawing near, finding myself laden with sins and abandoned by all, I turned to the Mother of God and said to her: 'Lady, thou art the refuge of the abandoned. Behold me at this hour deserted by all. Thou art my only hope, thou alone canst help me; have pity on me.'

    “The Holy Virgin obtained for me the grace of making an Act of Contrition. I died and am saved, and my Queen has also obtained for me the grace that my pains should be abridged and that I should, by suffering intensely for a short time, pass through that purification, which otherwise would have lasted many years.

    "A few Masses only are needed to obtain my release from Purgatory. I pray thee to have them offered for me, and I promise to pray God and Mary for thee.”

    Sister Catherine immediately caused those Masses to be said for her, and that soul, after a few days, appeared to her again, more brilliant than the sun. She said to her: “I thank thee, sister Catherine: behold I am now going to paradise to sing the mercy of God and pray for thee.” [/font][/size]











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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #44 on: September 05, 2017, 04:15:07 AM »
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  • There is a related story that carried into more modern times. In 1871 there  was an atheist who emmigrated to Brazil from France. He had a wife and two daughters. His wife wanted to take the daughters to church but the husband refused. One day he went to open his pharmacy liek he always did every morning and he dropped dead. His wife sold the pharmacy and returned to France. She brought her daughters to church and one of them entered the convent. This particular convent sent her to America. It was in 1932 in New Jersey that this sister was at mass when she heard the following words; "REjoice and be glad. Today is the day that your father enters Heaven. Great is the mercy of God." 
    YOu see every day at every mass she prayed for the eternal repose of her father. 

     

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