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Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2017, 01:57:02 PM »
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  • Poche,

    It seems you're victim of modern sentimentalism by wanting to pray for a non faithful departed.

    William crossed the line when he sinned against his God-given nature by becoming Nancy.

    It is one of the sins crying to Heaven for vengeance.

    He did so publicly, as an ex Catholic priest, shaming his priesthood.  He was never know to have repented.

    yes, i agree. And the ironic thing is that the damned KNOW they are  damned (or at least highly suspect it, I am sure), while the sentimentalists as you call them "know" something different, but of course some knowledge is merely subjective and therefore not true knowleldge. In other words, you can believe something b/c you want to believe it but that does not make it true. Who wants to believe people go to a place of torment from which they can never escape? It is hard to believe but it is a common trait in human nature to believe what we want to believe. Very dangerous, that...


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #16 on: July 31, 2017, 11:36:15 PM »
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  • What we know about the condition of this person's soul we know by conjecture. He could very likely be in Hell. But then again he could be in Purgatory. We don't know for sure. If he is in Hell tehnit is a waste of time to pray for his soul. If he is in Purgatory then our prayers can help him. If he is in Hell and we pray for him then God will not allow our pryaers to go to waste.
      


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #17 on: August 01, 2017, 01:00:58 AM »
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  • We don't know. Tha tis why I think we should pray for the repose of his soul.
    :pray: :pray: :pray:
    Yes, hopefully a Catholic friend was able to get a priest to Fr. Griglak to give him last rites.  Poor soul.

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #18 on: August 01, 2017, 11:16:16 AM »
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  • What we know about the condition of this person's soul we know by conjecture. He could very likely be in Hell. But then again he could be in Purgatory. We don't know for sure. If he is in Hell then it is a waste of time to pray for his soul. If he is in Purgatory then our prayers can help him. If he is in Hell and we pray for him then God will not allow our prayers to go to waste.
      

    Okay Poche,

    Your point is Hope.  

    I don't have the reference for this, but I recall reading, that when we pray for someone who is actually in Hell, the lost soul's torments are increased.

    My point is Justice.

    It seems rather "Novus ordo glib" to label an apostate transgender priest as "faithful departed".


    And the Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Romans, taught us the mechanism for Father Griglak's terrible condition:


    [17] For the justice of God is revealed therein, from faith unto faith, as it is written: The just man liveth by faith. 

    [18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice:
     
    [19] Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them.

    [20] For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.

    [21] Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. 

    [22] For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
     
    [23] And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of
           fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things.
     
    [24] Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. 

    [25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 


    [26] For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is
           against nature. 

    [27] And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. 

    [28] And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are
            not convenient; 

    [29] Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers,
     
    [30] Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 

    [31] Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.
     
    [32] Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them. 





    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #19 on: August 01, 2017, 11:57:54 AM »
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  • ^^^^ Right on point!
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #20 on: August 01, 2017, 02:43:57 PM »
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  • What we know about the condition of this person's soul we know by conjecture. He could very likely be in Hell. But then again he could be in Purgatory. We don't know for sure. If he is in Hell tehnit is a waste of time to pray for his soul. If he is in Purgatory then our prayers can help him. If he is in Hell and we pray for him then God will not allow our pryaers to go to waste.
      
    i hardly ever pray for the souls in Purgatory anymore. They are safe. It is the sinners on the way to Hell we should pray for and offer sufferings for, IMO. 

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #21 on: August 04, 2017, 06:03:43 AM »
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  • i hardly ever pray for the souls in Purgatory anymore. They are safe. It is the sinners on the way to Hell we should pray for and offer sufferings for, IMO.
    If you could see the sufferings of the other life you would reconsider. 

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #22 on: August 12, 2017, 06:07:04 AM »
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  • This brings up an interesting question that Catholis should discuss, is it fine to pray for the unfaithful departed?

    This is my understanding and please correct me if you can show that I am wrong:

    Anyone who has died outside the Church, like the priest in this pathetically sad case, CANNOT have an ecclesiastical burrial and is ASSUMED to have died outside the Church. (This is also assuming that he was not reconciled with the Church by a true priest before he died) However, we don't know what happened at the moment of his death and whether he made an act of perfect contrition. 

    Praying for him as one of the faithful departed is wrong, however, it seems to me, we can say some prayers for the repose of his soul on the slim chance that he did in fact make an act of perfect contrition before he died and left this world in the state of sanctifying grace. Those prayers would not be waisted if he ultimately went to hell since they would be applied to the pour souls in purgatory.


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #23 on: August 12, 2017, 10:05:24 AM »
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  • This brings up an interesting question that Catholis should discuss, is it fine to pray for the unfaithful departed?

    This is my understanding and please correct me if you can show that I am wrong:

    Anyone who has died outside the Church, like the priest in this pathetically sad case, CANNOT have an ecclesiastical burrial and is ASSUMED to have died outside the Church. (This is also assuming that he was not reconciled with the Church by a true priest before he died) However, we don't know what happened at the moment of his death and whether he made an act of perfect contrition.

    Praying for him as one of the faithful departed is wrong, however, it seems to me, we can say some prayers for the repose of his soul on the slim chance that he did in fact make an act of perfect contrition before he died and left this world in the state of sanctifying grace. Those prayers would not be waisted if he ultimately went to hell since they would be applied to the pour souls in purgatory.
    That is something to discuss with your priest.  I see the Church having a line drawn in the sand.  Live outside the teachings and you are out.  There is nothing wrong for praying for the souls of the faithfully departed, or the repose of the souls in purgatory.  I do see it as wrong as praying directly for the salvation of a soul that died outside the Church.  Much the same way it would be to pray for the salvation of a Lutheran and (you personally) hoping they wanted to convert to Catholicism in their last five minutes of life.  There is little room for sentimentalism in the teachings of the Church.

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #24 on: August 12, 2017, 01:08:26 PM »
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  • So, if a gender-render believes in bodily resurrection…?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #25 on: August 12, 2017, 03:39:38 PM »
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  • That is something to discuss with your priest.  I see the Church having a line drawn in the sand.  Live outside the teachings and you are out.  There is nothing wrong for praying for the souls of the faithfully departed, or the repose of the souls in purgatory.  I do see it as wrong as praying directly for the salvation of a soul that died outside the Church.  Much the same way it would be to pray for the salvation of a Lutheran and (you personally) hoping they wanted to convert to Catholicism in their last five minutes of life.  There is little room for sentimentalism in the teachings of the Church.
    You make a fair case on the surface, however it seems to me that the problem with this line of reasoning is the fact that you need to reconcile the case of a catechumen who dies before baptism and is in fact NOT a member of the Church, but the Church allows him an ecclesiastical burial as if he died a member of the Church. 
    I'm not saying that you are absolutely wrong, I just would like you to give quotes from a reliable theologian that supports your case.


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #26 on: August 12, 2017, 04:22:34 PM »
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  • So, if a gender-render believes in bodily resurrection…?
    And the ambiguity of the resurrected body? Talk about problematic.
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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #27 on: August 12, 2017, 04:52:04 PM »
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  • That is something to discuss with your priest.  I see the Church having a line drawn in the sand.  Live outside the teachings and you are out.  There is nothing wrong for praying for the souls of the faithfully departed, or the repose of the souls in purgatory.  I do see it as wrong as praying directly for the salvation of a soul that died outside the Church.  Much the same way it would be to pray for the salvation of a Lutheran and (you personally) hoping they wanted to convert to Catholicism in their last five minutes of life.  There is little room for sentimentalism in the teachings of the Church.
    The principle is, regardless of how things are coram deo, is that people are to be consisdered to have died AS THEY LIVED. People who fall into sentimentality aren't considering souls not yet subjected to the Eschaton. No acanthus, no acacia, that's it.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #28 on: August 12, 2017, 05:02:53 PM »
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  • And the ambiguity of the resurrected body? Talk about problematic.
    Goes with the territory of being a heretic,  apostate, schismatic etc.

    "The soul is the form of the body" I wrote that; no, really…

    Better wear eye-pro in the heretical hereafter, because there's gonna be alot of odd bits flying about…

    "Problematic" is an understatement.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #29 on: August 12, 2017, 09:27:19 PM »
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  • Goes with the territory of being a heretic,  apostate, schismatic etc.

    "The soul is the form of the body" I wrote that; no, really…

    Better wear eye-pro in the heretical hereafter, because there's gonna be alot of odd bits flying about…

    "Problematic" is an understatement.
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    I was thinking, they're going to need a revised version of one article for the Newcreed: 
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    I believe in the Holy Ghost, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the amorphous body and life everlasting.
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