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Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
« on: July 28, 2017, 04:25:34 PM »
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  • No doubt, Father is feeling the heat now.




    Her life was not an easy journey. Not long after her operation became news in 1979, Ayers said, she was shot at, had her car bombed and was sent dead animals in the mail. But Ledins eventually found peace.

    Finally embracing the person, the woman, she’d always felt like inside rescued her from the depression that had tormented her for years, Ayers said. “For the first time in my life, I am running into and not from. What a healthy feeling!” she wrote in a letter to her parents in 1978, as she was beginning her gender transition. “I am now very very glad to be alive. ... My bucket of tears (and there were many) are over. The sunshine is real.”

    And in the last five years of her life, Ledins found new purpose as an active member at Wedgewood, a Charlotte church of about 60 worshipers – half of whom are gay, lesbian or transgender – that is affiliated with the American Baptists Churches USA and the United Church of Christ.

    At this small but welcoming and diverse house of worship, Ayers said, she “preached, served the Eucharist, baptized children, anointed congregants with oil, sang benedictions in Latin ... and, most importantly, changed us and the world through her incredible life and ministry.”  In a Monday blog post headlined “Goodbye, Nancy,” Wedgewood member Maddison Wood recalled the first time she attended one of the church’s Sunday services.

       
    Maddison Wood (left) and Nancy Ledins.
    Courtesy of Maddison Wood via Facebook

    “I’m pretty sure I audibly gasped when Reverend Doctor Nancy Ledins took the pulpit,” Wood wrote. “The reason why I was in awe that day is because I had never seen an old transgender person. In her 80s, living her best life, being trans. In the lines on Nancy's face, I found hope. I looked at her and felt content, like everything was going to be OK. She was transgender, came out as transgender in the 1970s, and she had lived – not just survived, but lived – to old age.”


    Still a priest?
    According to a timeline provided by Wedgewood Church, Ledins was a native of Cleveland, Ohio. As a priest with the Missionaries of the Precious Blood, a Catholic religious order, Father William served in a parish in Detroit, went to Vietnam as an Army chaplain, and worked as a pastor and psychologist in Colorado.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #1 on: July 28, 2017, 11:01:42 PM »
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  • May his soul and the souls of all teh faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #2 on: July 29, 2017, 02:11:06 AM »
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  • May his soul and the souls of all teh faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
     :pray: :pray: :pray:

    One correction Poche: 

    It's "her" soul.   

     :jester:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #3 on: July 29, 2017, 05:46:08 AM »
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  • Looks like the freak was one of the queer pioneers. Sickening.
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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #4 on: July 29, 2017, 10:55:50 AM »
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  • Do I understand this obituary correctly that this person was a man who was ordained a Catholic priest and at some point in the 70s decided he was "actually a woman" and had surgery to mutilate himself so he could pretend to be a woman? 

    The article doesn't say whether he was defrocked or not. As perverse as he was, including the self-mutilation, I guess he was still a valid priest. Scary. I would NOT want to be in his shoes right now.


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2017, 11:48:12 AM »
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  • Looks like the freak was one of the queer pioneers. Sickening.
    Good observation Stubborn. 

    And the "Priestly Queer Pioneer" merits a separate topic.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #6 on: July 29, 2017, 01:24:49 PM »
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  • May his soul and the souls of all teh faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
     :pray: :pray: :pray:
    yeh, sounds really faithful to me
    please 
    and it was NOT the Eucharist! get outa here

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #7 on: July 29, 2017, 04:20:48 PM »
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  • yeh, sounds really faithful to me
    please and it was NOT the Eucharist! get outa here

    I think Poche gets the message?




    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #8 on: July 29, 2017, 05:15:49 PM »
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  • May his soul and the souls of all teh faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
     :pray: :pray: :pray:
    He is nowhere NEAR one of the faithful departed... he may be the biggest affront to His Holy Priesthood to ever exist.
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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #9 on: July 30, 2017, 08:11:58 PM »
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  • I pity that pour soul.

    Why did this happen?  Was a demon harassing him his entire life?

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #10 on: July 30, 2017, 11:11:38 PM »
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  • One correction Poche:

    It's "her" soul.  

     :jester:
    Even with the "operation" he is still a he.   


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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #11 on: July 30, 2017, 11:13:23 PM »
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  • I pity that pour soul.

    Why did this happen?  Was a demon harassing him his entire life?
    We don't know. Tha tis why I think we should pray for the repose of his soul. 
    :pray: :pray: :pray:

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #12 on: July 31, 2017, 12:00:03 AM »
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  • Poche,

    It seems you're victim of modern sentimentalism by wanting to pray for a non faithful departed.

    William crossed the line when he sinned against his God-given nature by becoming Nancy.

    It is one of the sins crying to Heaven for vengeance.

    He did so publicly, as an ex Catholic priest, shaming his priesthood.  He was never know to have repented.

    We know, through St. Bonaventure, that all the homosexuals in the world, alive on the night Our Lord's birth, were put to death by God.



    Sermon XXII by St. Bonaventure

    Translation to English by TIA desk


     Subject: Sermon of Br. Bonaventure addressed to
    the people of Lyon on the Nativity of the Lord.


    Bless, O my soul, the Lord who liberated Jerusalem, His city, from its many tribulations, He the Lord our God. Confess the Lord, O children of Israel, for He has shown His majesty to a sinful nation. (Tobias 13:19/3/7)

     Moved by a great devotion of heart for today’s celebration, the soul of each one of the faithful should bless and confess God for His great works, exalting the men of Israel and the elect of Jerusalem ,as seen in the 24 considerations of the meditation on today’s feast set forth briefly in the Gospel of Christmas Eve. Four considerations are on God the Father, four on God the Son, four on the Blessed Mother, four on Joseph, four on the Shepherds and four on the Angels.

     We should consider and bless God the Father for His most admirable liberality in sending His Son to take flesh and be born; and praise His fidelity for fulfilling His promise in the due time, His ineffable charity because He had compassion on us and was thus pleased to help us, and His eternal goodness because He wanted to make himself known to us in this way.

     Regarding the Son being born, we should consider and bless His admirable and dignified benignity, imitate His promptitude in obeying the Father and His pity and incredible clemency toward us, and appreciate His submissive poverty, humility and simplicity.

     As for the Mother who gave birth, we should consider and bless her immaculate virginity and glorious fecundity, the singularity of her delivery and the generosity of her fortunate and joyful childbirth.

     On the part of Joseph, we should consider and bless his profound reverence, enormous justice, dedicated compliance and indefectible charity.

     On the part of the Shepherds, we should consider and bless their holy simplicity, pious joyfulness, praiseful solicitude and their expanding faith and devotion.

     On the part of the Angels, we should consider and bless the clarity of their omnipresent grandeur, the intimacy of their new tenderness, the learnedness of their preaching and the purity and sublimity of their new praises.

     In all these meditations our souls should bless God, on this day.

     On this day, He liberated His city showing His majesty to a sinful nation, not only by sending His Son to be born, but by bedecking and adorning the day, hour and time of His Nativity with miracles.

     The miracles shown to the sinful nation at the time of the Nativity of Christ are these, according to various histories. (1)

    First, a fulgent star appeared in the sky in parts of the East, which displayed the form of a most pure Infant, and over it was a shining cross to signify that He who was born would spread His doctrine, life and death throughout the whole world.

    Second, in the middle of the day from Capitoline Hill in Rome, a golden circle that appeared near the sun was seen – [also] by the Emperor and the Sibyl – and in it was a most pure Virgin giving birth to an Infant, signifying that He who was born was the Monarch of the world and came to demonstrate the splendor of the paternal glory and figure of His substance. (2)

    Third, the temple of peace in Rome fell to the ground. When it was built, the devils were asked how long it would last, and they responded that it would stand until a Virgin gave birth to a Son, as a sign that He who was born would destroy the works and practices of vanity.

    Fourth, in Rome a large gush of oil sprung up from the ground and flowed into the Tiber, to show that a source of piety and mercy had been born.

    Fifth, on the night of the Nativity, the vinae Engaddi, from which perfume is made, sprouted, flourished, extended its branches and produced its scented liquid, to show that He who was born would make the spiritual world flourish, grow and give fruits, and that its fragrance would attract the whole world.

     Sixth, 30,000 criminals were killed by the Emperor, to show that He who was born would subject the whole world by His Faith and that the rebels would be lost in Hell.

    Seventh, all the sodomites in the whole world died, both male and female, according to Jerome (3) commenting on the Psalm: The light was born for the just, which shows that He who was born came to reform nature and to promote chastity.

    Eighth, brute animals spoke in Judea, among them, two oxen, to make us understand that He who was born would transform the most bestial men into rational persons.

    Ninth, all the idols of Egypt were destroyed when the Virgin gave birth; according to Jeremiah (4) that sign was given to the Egyptians to make them understand that He who was born was the true God and the only One worthy of adoration with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

    Tenth, when the Infant was laying in the Manger, the ox and donkey knelt before Him, as if they had reason, and adored Him, which makes us understand that He who was born would call both the Jews and the Gentiles to His religion.

    Eleventh, the whole world was in peace as described, (5) to show that He who was born would love and promote universal peace and that His elect would enjoy eternal peace.

    Twelfth, in the East three suns appeared in the sky, which progressively merged into a single celestial body to show that by the birth of Christ the world would be informed of the Triune God, and that Divinity, spirit and flesh had been united in one Person.

     About all these things, our souls should bless God and venerate Him because He liberated us and His majesty was shown to us, a sinful nation.

     The Lord Jesus was born in the 5,199th year after the constitution of the world, after the constitution of the 750 gens of the City [of Rome], in the year of the 194th Olympics, in the 42nd year of Emperor Octavianus Augustus, in the 39th year of the reign of Herod of Ascalon in Judea, on the 8th day of the Kalendas of January, having Cyrenius as governor of Syria. (6)
    • Cf. Bonaventure, tom. VIII, p. 95, Appendix I, where these miracles are listed; in notes 2 and 3 the authors who wrote about these miracles are cited.
    • Heb 1:3.
    • Book V, Commentaries on Is 19; 1; followed by Ps 96:11.
    • Jer 48:6 and following verses.
    • Cf. Lk 2:1-3.
    • Cf. Roman Martyrology on the Eve the Nativity of the Lord.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
    « Reply #13 on: July 31, 2017, 03:55:26 AM »
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  • Poche,

    It seems you're victim of modern sentimentalism by wanting to pray for a non faithful departed.

    William crossed the line when he sinned against his God-given nature by becoming Nancy.

    It is one of the sins crying to Heaven for vengeance.

    He did so publicly, as an ex Catholic priest, shaming his priesthood.  He was never know to have repented.

    We know, through St. Bonaventure, that all the homosexuals in the world, alive on the night Our Lord's birth, were put to death by God.



    Sermon XXII by St. Bonaventure

    Translation to English by TIA desk


     Subject: Sermon of Br. Bonaventure addressed to
    the people of Lyon on the Nativity of the Lord.


    Bless, O my soul, the Lord who liberated Jerusalem, His city, from its many tribulations, He the Lord our God. Confess the Lord, O children of Israel, for He has shown His majesty to a sinful nation. (Tobias 13:19/3/7)

     Moved by a great devotion of heart for today’s celebration, the soul of each one of the faithful should bless and confess God for His great works, exalting the men of Israel and the elect of Jerusalem ,as seen in the 24 considerations of the meditation on today’s feast set forth briefly in the Gospel of Christmas Eve. Four considerations are on God the Father, four on God the Son, four on the Blessed Mother, four on Joseph, four on the Shepherds and four on the Angels.

     We should consider and bless God the Father for His most admirable liberality in sending His Son to take flesh and be born; and praise His fidelity for fulfilling His promise in the due time, His ineffable charity because He had compassion on us and was thus pleased to help us, and His eternal goodness because He wanted to make himself known to us in this way.

     Regarding the Son being born, we should consider and bless His admirable and dignified benignity, imitate His promptitude in obeying the Father and His pity and incredible clemency toward us, and appreciate His submissive poverty, humility and simplicity.

     As for the Mother who gave birth, we should consider and bless her immaculate virginity and glorious fecundity, the singularity of her delivery and the generosity of her fortunate and joyful childbirth.

     On the part of Joseph, we should consider and bless his profound reverence, enormous justice, dedicated compliance and indefectible charity.

     On the part of the Shepherds, we should consider and bless their holy simplicity, pious joyfulness, praiseful solicitude and their expanding faith and devotion.

     On the part of the Angels, we should consider and bless the clarity of their omnipresent grandeur, the intimacy of their new tenderness, the learnedness of their preaching and the purity and sublimity of their new praises.

     In all these meditations our souls should bless God, on this day.

     On this day, He liberated His city showing His majesty to a sinful nation, not only by sending His Son to be born, but by bedecking and adorning the day, hour and time of His Nativity with miracles.

     The miracles shown to the sinful nation at the time of the Nativity of Christ are these, according to various histories. (1)

    First, a fulgent star appeared in the sky in parts of the East, which displayed the form of a most pure Infant, and over it was a shining cross to signify that He who was born would spread His doctrine, life and death throughout the whole world.

    Second, in the middle of the day from Capitoline Hill in Rome, a golden circle that appeared near the sun was seen – [also] by the Emperor and the Sibyl – and in it was a most pure Virgin giving birth to an Infant, signifying that He who was born was the Monarch of the world and came to demonstrate the splendor of the paternal glory and figure of His substance. (2)

    Third, the temple of peace in Rome fell to the ground. When it was built, the devils were asked how long it would last, and they responded that it would stand until a Virgin gave birth to a Son, as a sign that He who was born would destroy the works and practices of vanity.

    Fourth, in Rome a large gush of oil sprung up from the ground and flowed into the Tiber, to show that a source of piety and mercy had been born.

    Fifth, on the night of the Nativity, the vinae Engaddi, from which perfume is made, sprouted, flourished, extended its branches and produced its scented liquid, to show that He who was born would make the spiritual world flourish, grow and give fruits, and that its fragrance would attract the whole world.

     Sixth, 30,000 criminals were killed by the Emperor, to show that He who was born would subject the whole world by His Faith and that the rebels would be lost in Hell.

    Seventh, all the sodomites in the whole world died, both male and female, according to Jerome (3) commenting on the Psalm: The light was born for the just, which shows that He who was born came to reform nature and to promote chastity.

    Eighth, brute animals spoke in Judea, among them, two oxen, to make us understand that He who was born would transform the most bestial men into rational persons.

    Ninth, all the idols of Egypt were destroyed when the Virgin gave birth; according to Jeremiah (4) that sign was given to the Egyptians to make them understand that He who was born was the true God and the only One worthy of adoration with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

    Tenth, when the Infant was laying in the Manger, the ox and donkey knelt before Him, as if they had reason, and adored Him, which makes us understand that He who was born would call both the Jews and the Gentiles to His religion.

    Eleventh, the whole world was in peace as described, (5) to show that He who was born would love and promote universal peace and that His elect would enjoy eternal peace.

    Twelfth, in the East three suns appeared in the sky, which progressively merged into a single celestial body to show that by the birth of Christ the world would be informed of the Triune God, and that Divinity, spirit and flesh had been united in one Person.

     About all these things, our souls should bless God and venerate Him because He liberated us and His majesty was shown to us, a sinful nation.

     The Lord Jesus was born in the 5,199th year after the constitution of the world, after the constitution of the 750 gens of the City [of Rome], in the year of the 194th Olympics, in the 42nd year of Emperor Octavianus Augustus, in the 39th year of the reign of Herod of Ascalon in Judea, on the 8th day of the Kalendas of January, having Cyrenius as governor of Syria. (6)
    • Cf. Bonaventure, tom. VIII, p. 95, Appendix I, where these miracles are listed; in notes 2 and 3 the authors who wrote about these miracles are cited.
    • Heb 1:3.
    • Book V, Commentaries on Is 19; 1; followed by Ps 96:11.
    • Jer 48:6 and following verses.
    • Cf. Lk 2:1-3.
    • Cf. Roman Martyrology on the Eve the Nativity of the Lord.
    I understand and recognize that this persons life was objectively evil. There is no excuse for much of how he lived his life. However who among us can see into the secret interior of the human heart. There is the possibility that towards the end of his life that this person had sorrow for his sins and made an act of perfect contrition. Ther is the possibility that he could be in Purgatory right now sighing for our prayers. The judge when he sentences the most hardened criminal to death says at the end of the sentence, "And may god have mercy on your soul." One of the works of mercy is to pray for the dead. One day, maybe sooner than we think we too will have to stand before the judge and answer for our own lives. Many of the posters here on Cathinfo will be in Purgatory saying, "Oh if only somebody would just say a prayer for me." Jesus said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I am only trying to do as Jesus said. Won't you at least say an Ave Maria for the souls in Purgatory.          
      

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    Re: Fr. William Griglak (aka Nancy Ledins) dies
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  • Poche,

    Of course we pray for all the Poor Souls in Purgatory.

    If Nancy made a perfect Act of Contrition and got into Purgatory, he'll get the benefits from our general prayers.

    But this brings up a good point.  We can pray for anything. 
    National Geographic magazine promotes the idea that Judas was not such a bad guy.
    Do when then pray that the flames of Hell are not so severe for Judas?  No.

    What was in the hearts of the dying, we cannot read.  It is all very theoretical. 

    But praying for unrepentant, public sinners, seems inappropriate.

    Ask yourself, why are Catholics who commit suicide traditionally kept from being buried in a Catholic Cemetery?

    It is because they have excluded themselves from the Arc of Holy Mother Church.  

    This may seem cruel to our modern society, indoctrinated in Judaic Talmudism, but it a harsh reality of our Catholic Faith.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

     

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