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Fr. Oscar Romero
« on: May 21, 2019, 01:23:14 PM »
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  • This was a Novus Ordo priest in El Salvador.  Was he good or bad?  He was against the government.  Was the government good or bad?

    Need a straight answer on this.  Thank you all for any help!     
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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2019, 01:34:20 PM »
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  • Oscar Romero had links to Liberation Theology, an attempted fusion of Marxism and Christian theology, and was also influenced by Opus Dei. He was 'canonised' and 'beatified' within the space of three years as a Novus Ordo saint by Pope Francis. You should definitely stay away from him.


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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2019, 01:59:55 PM »
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  • Oscar Romero had links to Liberation Theology, an attempted fusion of Marxism and Christian theology, and was also influenced by Opus Dei. He was 'canonised' and 'beatified' within the space of three years as a Novus Ordo saint by Pope Francis. You should definitely stay away from him.
    Can you elaborate a little more on the errors of liberation theology or possibly direct me to resources where I can read about it? 
    I’ve tried to research it before but few results came up.
    I know a few people who are part of liberation theology study groups.

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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #3 on: May 21, 2019, 02:19:16 PM »
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  • Can you elaborate a little more on the errors of liberation theology or possibly direct me to resources where I can read about it?
    I’ve tried to research it before but few results came up.
    I know a few people who are part of liberation theology study groups.
    I am no expert on the subject, but Tradition in Action seem to have a few good articles on it. Liberation Theology is highly popular in Latin America and many of the socialist governments in this region were inspired by it. It was even seen as too radical for modernists such as Paul VI and John Paul II, who condemned the movement.

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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #4 on: May 21, 2019, 08:43:44 PM »
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  • Oscar Romero had links to Liberation Theology, an attempted fusion of Marxism and Christian theology, and was also influenced by Opus Dei. He was 'canonised' and 'beatified' within the space of three years as a Novus Ordo saint by Pope Francis. You should definitely stay away from him.
    Thank you for this.  I did not have a favorable impression of him, but could not find an article with a trustworthy critique and accurate facts. Having a need for reliable information, I took the question and "threw it out" here on CathInfo.  Thank you Orate Fratres.   
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"


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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #5 on: May 22, 2019, 12:25:07 AM »
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  • One thing to remember is that El Salvador was in the midst of a cινιℓ ωαr which pitted the subversives against a government composed of a committee of military officers.
    It was a very common practice for the soldiers to go into a town or village suspected of being supportive of the subversives and just killing everybody there.
    Bishop Romero said that it was very common for soldiers to confess to having killed people that they knew were innocent. He publicly told the soldiers that it was immoral to indiscriminately massacre civilian populations.
    His manner of death was as follows; He was saying mass at the chapel of a hospital. As he raised the Host during the consecration, he was shot through the heart. 

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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #6 on: May 22, 2019, 10:40:35 AM »
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  • One thing to remember is that El Salvador was in the midst of a cινιℓ ωαr which pitted the subversives against a government composed of a committee of military officers.
    It was a very common practice for the soldiers to go into a town or village suspected of being supportive of the subversives and just killing everybody there.
    Bishop Romero said that it was very common for soldiers to confess to having killed people that they knew were innocent. He publicly told the soldiers that it was immoral to indiscriminately massacre civilian populations.
    His manner of death was as follows; He was saying mass at the chapel of a hospital. As he raised the Host during the consecration, he was shot through the heart.

    Please do a little more research.

    Liberation theology incorporates Marxist theology within the framework of Catholicism. 

    The Jesuit and Maryknoll orders were the biggest promoters of this false theology. 
    Millions of Catholic souls were mislead and lost the true Faith in Central and South America because of it.

    It helped to reek havoc in their social order and encouraged revolutions. 

    If you're a traditional Catholic, you would intuitively know this is bad.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #7 on: May 23, 2019, 02:15:27 AM »
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  • Please do a little more research.

    Liberation theology incorporates Marxist theology within the framework of Catholicism.  

    The Jesuit and Maryknoll orders were the biggest promoters of this false theology.  
    Millions of Catholic souls were mislead and lost the true Faith in Central and South America because of it.

    It helped to reek havoc in their social order and encouraged revolutions.  

    If you're a traditional Catholic, you would intuitively know this is bad.
    Oscar Romero was not a proponent of Liberation Theology. There were priests who were proponents of this heresy who he suspended because they were. Please don't confuse, "It is sinful to kill the innocent civilians." with this philosophy. 


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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #8 on: May 23, 2019, 06:55:31 AM »
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  • Oscar Romero was not a proponent of Liberation Theology. There were priests who were proponents of this heresy who he suspended because they were. Please don't confuse, "It is sinful to kill the innocent civilians." with this philosophy.

    Poche,

    He was liberation theology... all the way.

    Saint Óscar Arnulfo Romero y Galdámez (15 August 1917 – 24 March 1980) was a prelate of the Catholic Church in El Salvador who served as the fourth Archbishop of San Salvador. He spoke out against poverty, social injustice, assassinations, and torture amid a growing war between leftist rebels and government and right-wing forces.[3]

    In 1980, Romero was αssαssιnαtҽd while celebrating Mass in the chapel of the Hospital of Divine Providence. Though no one was ever convicted for the crime, investigations by the UN-created Truth Commission for El Salvador concluded that the extreme right-wing politician, founder of ARENA and death squad leader Roberto D'Aubuisson had given the order.[4]


    During Romero's beatification, Pope Francis stated, "His ministry was distinguished by his particular attention to the most poor and marginalized."[5] Hailed as a hero by supporters of liberation theology inspired by his work, Romero, according to his biographer, "was not interested in liberation theology" but faithfully adhered to Catholic teachings on liberation and a preferential option for the poor,[6] desiring a social revolution based on interior reform.

    Up to the end of his life, his spiritual life drew much from the spirituality of Opus Dei.[7] While seen as a social conservative at his appointment as archbishop in 1977, he was deeply affected by the murder of his friend and fellow priest Rutilio Grande a few weeks after his own appointment and subsequently developed into an outspoken social activist.

    In 2010, the United Nations General Assembly proclaimed 24 March as the "International Day for the Right to the Truth Concerning Gross Human Rights Violations and for the Dignity of Victims" in recognition of the role of Archbishop Romero in defence of human rights. Romero actively denounced violations of the human rights of the most vulnerable people and defended the principles of protecting lives, promoting human dignity and opposing all forms of violence.

    In 1997, Pope John Paul II bestowed upon Romero the title of Servant of God, and a cause for beatification and canonization was opened for him. The cause stalled, but was reopened by Pope Benedict XVI in 2012. He was declared a martyr by Pope Francis on 3 February 2015, paving the way for his beatification on 23 May 2015. Pope Francis canonized Romero as a saint on 14 October 2018.
    His successor, the incuмbent Metropolitan Archbishop of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of San Salvador, El Salvador, Archbishop Jose Luis Escobar Alas, has asked Pope Francis to proclaim Archbishop Saint Romero a Doctor of the Church, which is an acknowledgement from the Church that his religious teachings were orthodox and had a significant impact on its philosophy and theology.[8]


    Latin American church groups often proclaim Romero an unofficial patron saint of the Americas and El Salvador; Catholics in El Salvador often refer to him as "San Romero", as well as "Monseñor Romero". Outside of Catholicism, Romero is honored by other Christian denominations including Church of England and Anglican Communion through the Calendar in Common Worship, as well as in at least one Lutheran liturgical calendar. Archbishop Romero is also one of the ten 20th-century martyrs depicted in statues above the Great West Door of Westminster Abbey in London. In 2008, Europe-based magazine A Different View included Romero among its 15 Champions of World Democracy.[9]
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #9 on: May 23, 2019, 07:17:54 AM »
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  • Oscar Romero was not a proponent of Liberation Theology. There were priests who were proponents of this heresy who he suspended because they were. Please don't confuse, "It is sinful to kill the innocent civilians." with this philosophy.
    It is sinful to kill innocent civilians with any philosophy, but who is saying otherwise? What is "this" philosophy that you are accusing someone of? Who are you accusing?
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #10 on: May 23, 2019, 07:19:33 AM »
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  • Poche,

    He was liberation theology... all the way.
    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...… it's a duck.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #11 on: May 23, 2019, 11:50:33 AM »
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  • It is sinful to kill innocent civilians with any philosophy, but who is saying otherwise? What is "this" philosophy that you are accusing someone of? Who are you accusing?
    The junta that ruled El Salvador for much of the 20th century were well known for their disregard for human life when it came to the lives of the country's peasants.

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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #12 on: May 24, 2019, 10:47:15 PM »
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  • The junta that ruled El Salvador for much of the 20th century were well known for their disregard for human life when it came to the lives of the country's peasants.
    There are Catholics who have no regard for trad forum trolls.

    They think they should be arrested, tried and hung by the neck until dead.

                  Last national public hanging, Owensboro, KY 1936
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #13 on: May 24, 2019, 11:30:51 PM »
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  • There are Catholics who have no regard for trad forum trolls.

    They think they should be arrested, tried and hung by the neck until dead.

                  Last national public hanging, Owensboro, KY 1936
    Would there be the opportunity for that person to go to confession?

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    Re: Fr. Oscar Romero
    « Reply #14 on: May 25, 2019, 01:55:56 PM »
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  • Ha, ha... were you setting me up with that question Pocher?

    Yes, indeed, the young negro who confessed to robbing, raping and murdering his elderly victim had the assistance of a Catholic priest.



    Here's Rainey finishing his last meal.
    (The lucky dog ate Southern fried chicken too)

    Rainey got a better deal than his victim

    PS:

    Providentially, Owensboro is the home of one of the oldest тαℓмυdic ѕуηαgσgυєs in the country and Father Wathen's birthplace.
    Our Lord must have put him there to confound them?

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi