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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2019, 06:13:36 AM »
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  • Drew, because you were so incredibly naive to get conned for years by a fake immoral “priest”, you lost credibility with many people in your ability to judge any man’s character, especially a valid priest. I’d keep my mouth shut, your track record is horrendous.

    Is that your best shot to defend Fr. McMahon?

    Drew is also the one that exposed Tetherow https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/fr-pfeiffer-mentions-a-fr-tetherow-who/
    as far as Fr. Roberts, he was a recommendation by Fr. John Fullerton as District Superior of the SSPX who also recommended him to the chapel in Jacksonville Florida.

    The SSPX worked with Tetherow and Fr. Roberts to destroy the SS.Peter and Paul mission in York. Their plot failed and in the case of Fr. Roberts, he was shown the door when he gave the SS Peter and Paul Mission Board an ultimatum in the name of Fr. Fullerton of which +Fellay is aware and we have letters to prove it.

    Tetherow was invited by the SSPX to assist at +de Galarreta's Confirmations at St. Judes's chapel in Eddystone, PA after he was expelled from the chapel in York (in May,2010) until a newspaper article came out on the York Sunday Paper. After the article we got a call from the SSPX lawyer in KC. We made the lawyer aware of Tetherow's past after that, he told Tetherow to"stay clear" of their chapels.

    The SSPX was impressed with Tetherow and believed his calumnies. Many people and clergy, including pioneers in the traditional movement such as Mr. Conde McGuinley disenchanted with the SSPX, believed in Tetherow's "innocence" for a long time and some still do. We can include here Fr. Pfeiffer and Hucko.

    Why don't you wise up and do your own internet search on Fr. McMahon? Lest you may be accused of what you are so quick to judge.
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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #46 on: May 06, 2019, 06:33:13 AM »
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  • Is that your best shot to defend Fr. McMahon?

    Drew is also the one that exposed Tetherow https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/fr-pfeiffer-mentions-a-fr-tetherow-who/
    as far as Fr. Roberts, he was a recommendation by Fr. John Fullerton as District Superior of the SSPX who also recommended him to the chapel in Jacksonville Florida.

    The SSPX worked with Tetherow and Fr. Roberts to destroy the SS.Peter and Paul mission in York. Their plot failed and in the case of Fr. Roberts, he was shown the door when he gave the SS Peter and Paul Mission Board an ultimatum in the name of Fr. Fullerton of which +Fellay is aware and we have letters to prove it.

    Tetherow was invited by the SSPX to assist at +de Galarreta's Confirmations at St. Judes's chapel in Eddystone, PA after he was expelled from the chapel in York until a newspaper article came out on the York Sunday Paper. After the article we got a call from the SSPX lawyer in KC. We made the lawyer aware of Tetherow's past after that, he told Tetherow to"stay clear" of their chapels.

    The SSPX was impressed with Tetherow and believed his calumnies. Many people and clergy, including pioneers in the traditional movement such as Mr. Conde McGuinley disenchanted with the SSPX, believed in his "innocence" for a long time and some still do. We can include here Fr. Pfeiffer and Hucko.

    Why don't you wise up and do your own internet search on Fr. McMahon? Lest you may be accused of what you are so quick to judge.
    I’ve Known Father McMahon for over 20 years, whatever his short comings may have been, he has more than made satisfaction for past issues. You and your husband have been so burnt in the past, through your own negligence and naivety, that you attack a good and valid priest. Does it make you feel better to attack Father McMahon?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #47 on: May 06, 2019, 07:58:02 AM »
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  • I retract the last twotwo sentences. It has not been our intention to "attack" Fr. McMahon.
    The rest of my post are facts.
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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #48 on: May 06, 2019, 08:17:16 AM »
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  • I’ve Known Father McMahon for over 20 years, whatever his short comings may have been, he has more than made satisfaction for past issues. You and your husband have been so burnt in the past, through your own negligence and naivety, that you attack a good and valid priest. Does it make you feel better to attack Father McMahon?


    C.S. Lewis discusses the two senses that the word "because" is used. One concerns the “reason for” and the other concerns the “cause of.”  You are implying that the criticism of Fr. McMahon is "caused" by previous problems with priests such as Tetherow. 

    Let me explain something to you. You can legitimately look for a "cause" only after the "reasons" offered have clearly been refuted.  You have presented no evidence in defense of Fr. McMahon nor have you refuted anything said against him.  Therefore, you accusation that the criticism is "caused" is nothing but a cowardly ad hominem begging of the question.

    Now you admit to having known Fr. McMahon for "over twenty years" and you still have not figured anything out. It does not make anyone "feel better" for having revealed serious character deficiencies of Fr. McMahon but there is some satisfaction in defending the reputation of John Sharpe when it is villainously attacked because he performed his duty in spite of Fr. McMahon's unethical attempt to usurp the authority of the executor of Fr. Collins’ Will against the expressed wishes of Fr. Collins. 

    Lastly, I have not revealed anything more than necessary for the end of defending John Sharpe.  You are not doing Fr. McMahon any favors by continuing this discussion because if you insist in setting the character of Fr. McMahon against John Sharpe, Fr. McMahon will sink deeper with every post because there is much more that can be said.  

     Again, my advice is that you drop this discussion.

    Drew


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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #49 on: May 06, 2019, 09:01:40 AM »
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  • Ss. Peter & Paul Roman Catholic Mission as a matter of its by-laws holds dogma as the proximate rule of faith ...

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #50 on: May 06, 2019, 09:23:19 AM »
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  • It wouldn’t be that hard for you to google ny estate law.  If you did you would find out that verbal changes to the will are legally valid.  The only problem with them is that they are hard to prove in court.  But if the executor accepted the testimony of the witnesses he would not be fined for failure to carry out his responsibility.  Also, in a case where the changes have nothing to do with property (such as the naming of a particular priest or bishop to offer the Requiem Mass) there is a very low probability that anyone will object.  But then again we are talking about traditional Catholics who are nothing if not tribal.
    Yes.  The key part seems to be "if the executor accepted the testimony of the witnesses". And according to the witnesses, Father Collins wanted Bishop Dolan before he died. 
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #51 on: May 06, 2019, 09:25:24 AM »
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  • “Maybe”?  You can play that game all day and it is a game for those who have nothing better to do.  Maybe, just maybe, Fr. McMahon was there in the same sense that a vulture shows up to comfort the dying.  It was not too long ago he did the same thing with Fr. Casimir Peterson in Baltimore to ingratiate himself for the purpose of getting control of the Reparation Society of the Immaculate Heart of Mary which had several million dollars in the bank.  In doing this Fr. McMahon gave a false spelling of his name and false background to prevent any discovery of his true identity.  When the deception was exposed Fr. Peterson, who had initially been impressed by Fr. McMahon, had the police intervene to prevent any further contact.
     
    Fr. Collins trusted Fr. McMahon and requested in his Will that Fr. McMahon assist Bishop Neville at his funeral Mass, but he did not trust him enough to ask him to be the executor of his Will.  That responsibility he entrusted to John Sharpe.  Fr. McMahon betrayed Fr. Collins and tried to replace Bishop Neville with Bishop Dolan and, as said before, I do not think that Bishop Dolan instigated this scheme.  Furthermore, Fr. McMahon has not made any claim that Fr. Collins made any change to his Will to him privately, nor did Fr. McMahon make any effort to have a codicil drafted by Fr. Collins.  What you are speculating on is without any foundation whatsoever.  
     
    Now I think you could speculate all you like regarding Fr. McMahon’s motives but what he did does not meet the relatively low standard of common legal or business ethics.  Your attempt to excuse Fr. McMahon necessarily requires casting aspersions on John Sharpe.  So maybe, just maybe, you should leave well enough alone because the more you cast aspersions on John Sharpe, the more problems buried in Fr. McMahon’s past are going to be dragged up because what is being weighed in the balance is the character of these men.    
     
    Drew
    Spare me your threats.  
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #52 on: May 06, 2019, 09:32:26 AM »
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  • This controversy is caused by a lot of childishness and easily-bruised egos.  This is embarrassing.  One would hope that priests would be above such things, having benefitted from years of being so close to the Sacraments.

    Instead of issuing his petulant letter, Father Cekada could have simply said, "Hey, everyone.  I apologize but there has been some confusion regarding the final intentions of Father Collins.  While the executor of his will says one thing, some witnesses assert that Father Collins had verbally made some changes to his written will.  We're trying to sort this out.  In the meantime, continue praying for the repose of Father Collins' soul."

    This is just stupid, embarrassing, and entirely unnecessary.  Work it out like mature adults.


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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #53 on: May 06, 2019, 09:39:54 AM »
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    Yes.  The key part seems to be "if the executor accepted the testimony of the witnesses". And according to the witnesses, Father Collins wanted Bishop Dolan before he died.
    If you do not have absolute, 100% certainty about this accusation, then you are spreading rumors and gravely hurting the reputation of John Sharpe.  This is serious stuff.  You are basically saying that 1) these witnesses all agree that Fr Collins changed his mind, and 2) that John Sharpe lied and is a criminal who is not following the law.  Do you understand the gravity of what you are saying?
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    If these witnesses are so sure of Fr Collins' wishes, why aren't they the ones sending out emails and social media posts with the facts?  Why are they not standing up for the truth?  A will is a public document.  If they are saying that they are witnesses to a change in the document, then they must stand up PUBLICALLY (with their names out in the open) and testify that Fr Collins changed his mind.
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    For you to pass along what you heard, and for the witnesses to remain in the shadows, is not transparent.  It is not fair to anyone involved.  It is wrong.

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #54 on: May 06, 2019, 09:53:32 AM »
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  • If you do not have absolute, 100% certainty about this accusation, then you are spreading rumors and gravely hurting the reputation of John Sharpe.  This is serious stuff.  You are basically saying that 1) these witnesses all agree that Fr Collins changed his mind, and 2) that John Sharpe lied and is a criminal who is not following the law.  Do you understand the gravity of what you are saying?
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    If these witnesses are so sure of Fr Collins' wishes, why aren't they the ones sending out emails and social media posts with the facts?  Why are they not standing up for the truth?  A will is a public document.  If they are saying that they are witnesses to a change in the document, then they must stand up PUBLICALLY (with their names out in the open) and testify that Fr Collins changed his mind.
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    For you to pass along what you heard, and for the witnesses to remain in the shadows, is not transparent.  It is not fair to anyone involved.  It is wrong.
    I'm fairly certain this was shared publically right here on CI.  Even if one looks at Fr Cekadas public tweet, he is clear that the actions taken were against Fathers wishes just before dying...something to that effect.  He never refers to the Will. 

    So far the focus has been on the Will. Maybe the other side could respond to any verbal requests made by Father.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #55 on: May 06, 2019, 10:04:52 AM »
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  • This is not a court - there is no jurisdiction nor decision to be handed out on this forum.  The need to “present an argument” while character assassination runs rampant is of no charitable value and in no way helps the current situation.  Holding exposing information about others in a cease and desist motive when questions are being presented regarding the situation and people are validly trying to understand what is happening on a matter they feel is important comes across as a personal justification for defamatory actions.  Please, rather than the current course of action here, please let this be handled with the people that are specifically involved rather than detracting from others, including valued members of the clergy who have given their lives to serve others.  The repose of Father Collins soul is where our concentration should be, not squaring off against people that Father genuinely cared for - which most certainly included Father McMahon as well. 


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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #56 on: May 06, 2019, 10:07:34 AM »
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    I'm fairly certain this was shared publically right here on CI.  Even if one looks at Fr Cekadas public tweet, he is clear that the actions taken were against Fathers wishes just before dying...something to that effect.
    No, no, no.  Is Fr Cekada one of the ACTUAL witnesses to Fr Collins' change of mind?  Is Fr Cekada willing to testify in court, and swear on the Bible, that Fr Collins wanted to verbally change his will?  If not, then he's not a witness.  He is just spreading rumors, like you. 
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    A witness to the change of heart had to be told by Fr Collins DIRECTLY.  In the same room, on a particular day, at a particular time - and be willing to swear before God and the court, under penalty of criminal perjury and grave sin, that Fr Collins changed his mind.  If these witnesses exist, and they aren't openly sharing their names, then I question their stories.

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #57 on: May 06, 2019, 10:19:01 AM »
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  • If you do not have absolute, 100% certainty about this accusation, then you are spreading rumors and gravely hurting the reputation of John Sharpe.  This is serious stuff.  You are basically saying that 1) these witnesses all agree that Fr Collins changed his mind, and 2) that John Sharpe lied and is a criminal who is not following the law.  Do you understand the gravity of what you are saying?

    datur tertium ... or it could be that John Sharpe didn't consider the witnesses credible, thought perhaps that the witnesses are making it up or were not in a position to know the truth, or Father Collins verbally told him the contrary shortly before his passing.  Perhaps these witnesses heard something a few days or weeks prior to Father Collins' passing, and that these words were contravened by Father Collins.  Or perhaps the witnesses misinterpreted something Father Collins said (took it out of context).  That's why written records usually trump witness accounts.  If Father needed to make a change, the will could have been amended in writing and the change authorized/notarized by a designated representative.

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #58 on: May 06, 2019, 10:33:25 AM »
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  • I don't think that an executor has the ability/duty to judge witness accounts.  His obligation is to follow the will.  If witnesses want to stand up and challenge the will, they have to be willing to go to court, fill out an avidavit, and testify before a judge that "I, John Doe, testify that the deceased told me x on this date, at this time, etc." 
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    I agree, a written document takes precedence over verbal instructions simply because of misunderstandings.  Still, that does not discount what people think they heard.  At this point, we still do not have any named witnesses to Fr Collins' change of heart.  Witnesses aren't allowed to stay hidden.  If they want to change a public document, they have to be willing to testify publically.  Fr Cekada's emails don't count.

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
    « Reply #59 on: May 06, 2019, 10:50:02 AM »
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  • I don't think that an executor has the ability/duty to judge witness accounts.  His obligation is to follow the will.  If witnesses want to stand up and challenge the will, they have to be willing to go to court, fill out an avidavit, and testify before a judge that "I, John Doe, testify that the deceased told me x on this date, at this time, etc."
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    I agree, a written document takes precedence over verbal instructions simply because of misunderstandings.  Still, that does not discount what people think they heard.  At this point, we still do not have any named witnesses to Fr Collins' change of heart.  Witnesses aren't allowed to stay hidden.  If they want to change a public document, they have to be willing to testify publically.  Fr Cekada's emails don't count.

    Agreed.  This is precisely why people have written wills in the first place, so the burden of proof is very high to overturn a will.  And since time is of the essence (will you leave Father Collins unburied for months?), it's unlikely that the written will would be overturned.

    Also, you can have the other side saying that Father Collins was not in his right mind when he "changed" it, that perhaps he was hopped up on pain killers and not thinking straight.  So this could go on for months or even years.  Now, when it's a question if disposition of assets, it often does, but something like this needs to be decided relatively quickly.  So, given the time constraints, a judge would have to issue a temporary restraining order, and he'll undoubtedly go with the written will in the case of any controversy.


     

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