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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2019, 09:23:19 AM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on May 05, 2019, 09:15:37 PM
It wouldn’t be that hard for you to google ny estate law.  If you did you would find out that verbal changes to the will are legally valid.  The only problem with them is that they are hard to prove in court.  But if the executor accepted the testimony of the witnesses he would not be fined for failure to carry out his responsibility.  Also, in a case where the changes have nothing to do with property (such as the naming of a particular priest or bishop to offer the Requiem Mass) there is a very low probability that anyone will object.  But then again we are talking about traditional Catholics who are nothing if not tribal.
Yes.  The key part seems to be "if the executor accepted the testimony of the witnesses". And according to the witnesses, Father Collins wanted Bishop Dolan before he died. 
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2019, 09:25:24 AM »
Quote from: drew on May 05, 2019, 10:14:29 PM

“Maybe”?  You can play that game all day and it is a game for those who have nothing better to do.  Maybe, just maybe, Fr. McMahon was there in the same sense that a vulture shows up to comfort the dying.  It was not too long ago he did the same thing with Fr. Casimir Peterson in Baltimore to ingratiate himself for the purpose of getting control of the Reparation Society of the Immaculate Heart of Mary which had several million dollars in the bank.  In doing this Fr. McMahon gave a false spelling of his name and false background to prevent any discovery of his true identity.  When the deception was exposed Fr. Peterson, who had initially been impressed by Fr. McMahon, had the police intervene to prevent any further contact.
 
Fr. Collins trusted Fr. McMahon and requested in his Will that Fr. McMahon assist Bishop Neville at his funeral Mass, but he did not trust him enough to ask him to be the executor of his Will.  That responsibility he entrusted to John Sharpe.  Fr. McMahon betrayed Fr. Collins and tried to replace Bishop Neville with Bishop Dolan and, as said before, I do not think that Bishop Dolan instigated this scheme.  Furthermore, Fr. McMahon has not made any claim that Fr. Collins made any change to his Will to him privately, nor did Fr. McMahon make any effort to have a codicil drafted by Fr. Collins.  What you are speculating on is without any foundation whatsoever.  
 
Now I think you could speculate all you like regarding Fr. McMahon’s motives but what he did does not meet the relatively low standard of common legal or business ethics.  Your attempt to excuse Fr. McMahon necessarily requires casting aspersions on John Sharpe.  So maybe, just maybe, you should leave well enough alone because the more you cast aspersions on John Sharpe, the more problems buried in Fr. McMahon’s past are going to be dragged up because what is being weighed in the balance is the character of these men.    
 
Drew
Spare me your threats.  
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2019, 09:32:26 AM »
This controversy is caused by a lot of childishness and easily-bruised egos.  This is embarrassing.  One would hope that priests would be above such things, having benefitted from years of being so close to the Sacraments.

Instead of issuing his petulant letter, Father Cekada could have simply said, "Hey, everyone.  I apologize but there has been some confusion regarding the final intentions of Father Collins.  While the executor of his will says one thing, some witnesses assert that Father Collins had verbally made some changes to his written will.  We're trying to sort this out.  In the meantime, continue praying for the repose of Father Collins' soul."

This is just stupid, embarrassing, and entirely unnecessary.  Work it out like mature adults.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2019, 09:39:54 AM »
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Yes.  The key part seems to be "if the executor accepted the testimony of the witnesses". And according to the witnesses, Father Collins wanted Bishop Dolan before he died.
If you do not have absolute, 100% certainty about this accusation, then you are spreading rumors and gravely hurting the reputation of John Sharpe.  This is serious stuff.  You are basically saying that 1) these witnesses all agree that Fr Collins changed his mind, and 2) that John Sharpe lied and is a criminal who is not following the law.  Do you understand the gravity of what you are saying?
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If these witnesses are so sure of Fr Collins' wishes, why aren't they the ones sending out emails and social media posts with the facts?  Why are they not standing up for the truth?  A will is a public docuмent.  If they are saying that they are witnesses to a change in the docuмent, then they must stand up PUBLICALLY (with their names out in the open) and testify that Fr Collins changed his mind.
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For you to pass along what you heard, and for the witnesses to remain in the shadows, is not transparent.  It is not fair to anyone involved.  It is wrong.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Fr. Joseph Collins Funeral Announcement
« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2019, 09:53:32 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 06, 2019, 09:39:54 AM
If you do not have absolute, 100% certainty about this accusation, then you are spreading rumors and gravely hurting the reputation of John Sharpe.  This is serious stuff.  You are basically saying that 1) these witnesses all agree that Fr Collins changed his mind, and 2) that John Sharpe lied and is a criminal who is not following the law.  Do you understand the gravity of what you are saying?
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If these witnesses are so sure of Fr Collins' wishes, why aren't they the ones sending out emails and social media posts with the facts?  Why are they not standing up for the truth?  A will is a public docuмent.  If they are saying that they are witnesses to a change in the docuмent, then they must stand up PUBLICALLY (with their names out in the open) and testify that Fr Collins changed his mind.
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For you to pass along what you heard, and for the witnesses to remain in the shadows, is not transparent.  It is not fair to anyone involved.  It is wrong.
I'm fairly certain this was shared publically right here on CI.  Even if one looks at Fr Cekadas public tweet, he is clear that the actions taken were against Fathers wishes just before dying...something to that effect.  He never refers to the Will. 

So far the focus has been on the Will. Maybe the other side could respond to any verbal requests made by Father.
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