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Fr. Gruner will be on Coast to Coast
« on: March 02, 2013, 08:02:10 PM »
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  • For anyone interested:

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/03/03

    Same show which hosted Fr. Malachi Martin...

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    Fr. Gruner will be on Coast to Coast
    « Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 11:29:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: bernadette
    For anyone interested:

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/03/03

    Same show which hosted Fr. Malachi Martin...


    Coast to Coast??? Why??


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    « Reply #2 on: March 02, 2013, 11:51:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis
    Quote from: bernadette
    For anyone interested:

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/03/03

    Same show which hosted Fr. Malachi Martin...


    Coast to Coast??? Why??


    I don't think there is any priest more ready willing and able to handle the firey
    darts of the exrtaterrestrial-enthusiasts.  He has a lot of patience, and he
    has a lot of experience in dealing with the Adversary.  

    Coast to Coast has an enormous audience, some say it's the largest radio
    audience in the world today, and it is a great honor to have a defender of
    Our Lady of Fatima like Fr. Gruner get some air time.  You could look at this
    as a kind of miracle, really.  Here we are with no Pope, and Fr. gets a
    chance to field questions, probably mostly regarding the Third Secret, which
    he will answer forthrightly, and use those answers to raise other questions
    that are related, or, perhaps not so much obviously related.  



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    « Reply #3 on: March 03, 2013, 12:14:43 AM »
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  • It's just that this is the same audience that calls in to talk to mediums and ET contactees and all sorts of nonsense. I just don't want the Truth comingled amongst the drivel for entertainment/ratings purposes...

    ...It worries me.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 12:19:56 AM »
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  • Some Stuff From the C2CFM website:  



    Sunday March 3, 2013
    Hosted by George Noory
    Guest(s): Father Nicholas Gruner

    George Noory will be joined by Father Nicholas Gruner, one of the world's leading authorities on traditional Roman Catholic doctrine and practice, for a discussion on the series of apparitions at Fatima, Portugal from May to October 1917, in which a number of predictions, requests and warnings were allegedly conveyed by the Virgin Mary to three shepherd children.






    Link provided (above) on the website to this page:


    Father Nicholas Gruner
    Books

        Devil's Final Battle

    Biography:

    Father Nicholas Gruner is a priest in good standing, ordained more than 26 years ago. He has his degree in Bachelor of Commerce from McGill University. He received his S.T.B. (Bachelor of Sacred Theology) and S.T.L. (Licentiate of Sacred Theology) and has successfully passed all his courses with highest honors in his studies for the S.T.D. (Doctorate in Sacred Theology) from the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas in Rome. As an alumnus of the prestigious Angelicum and a student of St. Thomas, he continues his theological research in the light of the message of Our Lady of Fatima and publishes his insights in the Fatima Crusader and other Fatima Apostolate publications.


    Past Shows:

    Fatima Secrets

    Thursday October 9, 2008

    Catholic priest, Fr. Nicholas Gruner of the Fatima Center discussed his research into the Third Secret of Fatima. He declared the alleged visitation by the Virgin Mary in 1917, and her message imparted to three young children, to be "the definitive revelation of our time." Based on his research, he said that it is a misperception that the Virgin Mary bestowed three separate secrets. Instead, he claimed that the message is a sequential series of events with the infamous "third secret" being the conclusion. Detailing new information which suggests that the "official release" of the third secret by the Vatican in 2000 was actually incomplete, Gruner revealed that when Sister Lucia wrote down that portion of the prophecy, she divided it into two parts. "One is the words of 'Our Lady' and one is the vision," he said. According to him, the Catholic Church only released the description of the vision and not the words spoken by Mary. Gruner talked at length about the suspicious treatment of the longest living survivor of the Fatima visitation, Sister Lucia, who died in 2005, nearly 90 years after the event. He asserted that "no other nun in the history of the Church has been so closely controlled as to who she [was permitted to visit with]." As evidence of this, he pointed out that she was not allowed to conduct any public interviews after 1957. He also cited testimony from Lucia's own sister, who said that the famous nun was never allowed any private time with visitors and could only speak with close family members.

    Advising people on what to do if they want the third secret to be truly revealed, Gruner said they should pray, inform themselves of the Fatima story, and contact the Vatican (via the Pope's email address: benedictxvi@vatican.va) to ask for them to release the complete message. He was optimistic that the third secret would be revealed in the not too distant future, theorizing it could be as early as a few months from now or as far out as three years.
    Host: George Noory


    [Well, so much for that expectation - three years out would have been October
    of 2011!!  We are now 16 months past that already!]




    Messages of Fatima

    Date:    07-03-03
    Host:    George Noory
    Guests:    Father Nicholas Gruner, Tom Chase

    Father Nicholas Gruner (fatima.org (1)), one of the Catholic Church's more controversial priests, was the main guest on Thursday night. A tireless advocate for devotion and interest in the messages delivered at Fatima in 1917, Gruner believes they hold the key to the fate of mankind. According to Father Gruner, the last surviving Fatima seer, Sister Lucia, was told a three-part secret in 1917 that she was to reveal over time. The first two parts were released in 1941, and included a vision of hell that was thought to refer to the first two world wars; and the second was a prediction that Russia would return to Christianity. The third secret was given out by the Vatican in 2000, and was said to be a vision of the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II. However Father Gruner said this wasn't the real third secret. He believes it was a vision of a universal crisis for the whole Catholic Church. The "faith is in danger," he said, echoing the words of the late Father Malachi Martin. Alluding to parts of the church hierarchy being in collusion with a "New World Order" or "one-world religion," Gruner painted a dire picture of humanity's enslavement along with a massive depopulation effort. And yet, he said if the "consecration" of Russia could be accomplished, as seen in the Fatima vision, this could instead bring in an era of peace.

    1. http://www.fatima.org/
    Host: George Noory



    Messages of Fatima
    Sunday May 4, 2003

    Controversial priest Father Nicholas Gruner (fatima.org (1)) was Barbara's guest on Sunday night. He commented at length about the messages that he believes the Blessed Virgin Mary delivered at Fatima in 1917.

    1. http://www.fatima.org/
    Host:
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #5 on: March 03, 2013, 12:29:00 AM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis
    It's just that this is the same audience that calls in to talk to mediums and ET contactees and all sorts of nonsense. I just don't want the Truth comingled amongst the drivel for entertainment/ratings purposes...

    ...It worries me.




    You can rest assured that it "worries" Fr. Gruner, too.  He is constantly vigilant
    regarding how the teachings of the Church can be mixed with error.  But that
    does not stop missionaries from going forth and providing the truth wherever
    possible, such that someone who desires to know it might be given the lifeline
    and come to the knowledge of the truth.  

    It was one of his Crusader magazines that got the attention of a friend of
    mine who converted as a result.  Some of Fr.'s most zealous associates are
    people who were not Catholic before they read their first Crusader.  

    He's able to handle the rabble just fine.  The Message of Fatima is one that the
    devil wants to be kept SILENT (like +Fellay is attempting to do with the Society),
    and there isn't much that hasn't already been tried over the past 95 years.  

    So we are already familiar with the devil's tricks in this regard, pretty much.  
    Of course, that could lead to a kind of dangerous pride, so we have to be careful.





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    « Reply #6 on: March 03, 2013, 03:08:38 PM »
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  • I have a sedevacantist friend who claims that Father Gruner was invalidly ordained. Does anyone have any information on this. Was Father Gruner ordained in the New Right or the Old Rite and was the Bishop who ordained him Consecrated in the New Rite of the Old Rite. I know the SSPX treats him as a real priest. Does the CMRI, and do other groups who do not accept the New Rites of Ordination and Consecration to be valid accept him to be a validly ordained priest?
    I Love Watching Butterflies . . ..

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    « Reply #7 on: March 03, 2013, 04:07:01 PM »
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  • Matto, my suggestion is get a new friend.

    There are some intelligent folks here who manage to effect the results of good breeding and manners while remaining convinced sedes.  I appreciate their good will and patience even though I could not possibly more disagree with their conclusions.

    But this old bugaboo that OTHER sedes ( like your friend ) flick from their nostrils at ordained priests of the Catholic Church is simply beyond the pale.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 03, 2013, 04:14:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    I have a sedevacantist friend who claims that Father Gruner was invalidly ordained. Does anyone have any information on this. Was Father Gruner ordained in the New Right or the Old Rite and was the Bishop who ordained him Consecrated in the New Rite of the Old Rite. I know the SSPX treats him as a real priest. Does the CMRI, and do other groups who do not accept the New Rites of Ordination and Consecration to be valid accept him to be a validly ordained priest?


    I heard once that someone knew a person who called himself Catholic, but acording to this person the last real Pope was from the 19th Century. I think I read it here or on FE.

    I hope to listen to the replay. Even though I am out west, it is still too late for me.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 03, 2013, 04:23:52 PM »
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  • I realize now that my post above belongs in the Crisis in the Church section. Sorry for posting it here in the wrong part of the forum.

    I think the person you are talking about, Spork, used to post here under the name of CM.
    I Love Watching Butterflies . . ..

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    « Reply #10 on: March 03, 2013, 07:14:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis (Mar 3, 2013, 6:14 am)
    It's just that this is the same audience that calls in to talk to mediums and ET contactees and all sorts of nonsense.

    Sensible choices of categories of show-topics not to bother with.  Be sure to add crop-circles, numerology, NDE, and OBE
    • to them.
    Quote from: Iuvenalis (continued)
    I just don't want the Truth comingled amongst the drivel for entertainment/ratings purposes[.]

    Altho' host George Noory and his fellow hosts are in the entertainment business, and choose guests accordingly, he handles his guests respectfully.  In interviews (of himself), he's insisted that it's his duty as host to let his guests speak, rather than cross-examine or argue with aspects of their presentations that he might consider literally incredible (a word he does use way too loosely) or even ridiculous.

    Noory is also a cradle Catholic, albeit of the Maronite Church: an Eastern rite (which they claim to be) in communion with the Pope.  He's plainly become a New-Ager, but I've never heard him disparage the Catholic Church as an institution, except perhaps as warranted by the on-going sex & financial scandals.  Alas, I missed the October 9, 2008 "Fatima Secrets" show, but that having been in the final month before the presidential election, staying awake past 5 a.m. ET before a work-day wouldn't've been an option.

    Fr. Malachi Martin would be an outstanding choice, had it not been for his suspicious death (July 27, 1999).  But even if he were still alive, he'd be 91 now.

    So whom would you have Noory invite in his place?  I'd be happy to hear Bp. Williamson, but perhaps a radio broadcast to C-to-C's huge audience would seem to be a wee bit too brazen a provocation to Menzingen at this time?  Maybe Bp. Pivarunas of CMRI?  Would the TRADITIO Fathers be willing to abandon their anonymity?  U.S. Papal Nuncio Abp. Carlo Vigano, formerly, in effect, Novus Ordo mayor of Vatican City, exiled to the U.S.A. by Pope Benedict, could make for a very newsworthy show.

    From the dark side, guests might've included Bp. Fellay, or Novus Ordo stars like Card. "Twee" Mahony, or the expatriate Overseer of the See of Baghdad-by-the-Bay: Card. Levada, or his fellow expatriate Abp. Raymond Burke, formerly of St. Louis.  Now that Timothy "What a card!" Dolan of N.Y. has been deposed (i.e.: given out-of-court testimony under oath to lawyers) 2 weeks ago, about his tenure as Abp. Weakland's successor in Milwaukee, I suspect he's been directed by his own lawyers to stifle himself.

    We may never know who declined C-to-C. invitations.  But being a frequent listener, my experience suggests that the greater risk to Catholics is enduring Protestants getting on the air for a chance to do breathless run-on readings of Bible quotations at the captive audience, trying to advance antiCatholic arguments like those the evangelical-Baptist theologian Cris Putnam did in the antiCatholic book Petrus Romanus: The FINAL Pope is Here (coäuthored with Thomas Horn, 2012).

    Quote from: Iuvenalis (concluded)
    It worries me.

    I disagree that it ought to.  Perhaps as passive listeners to a radio broadcast, instead of as active adversaries of traditional Catholics, some Novus Ordo "Catholics" will relax enough to actually listen, and be able to consider setting out on the path to Catholic tradition.

    Note #: Which does not stand for the Order of the British Empire, any more than NDE stands for something like Normalized Differential Equations.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 03, 2013, 09:27:54 PM »
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  • There is absolutely no doubt that the Maronite Church is in communion with the pope.  They do not claim to be Catholic.  They are Catholic.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #12 on: March 03, 2013, 10:06:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    I have a sedevacantist friend who claims that Father Gruner was invalidly ordained. Does anyone have any information on this. Was Father Gruner ordained in the New Right or the Old Rite and was the Bishop who ordained him Consecrated in the New Rite of the Old Rite. I know the SSPX treats him as a real priest. Does the CMRI, and do other groups who do not accept the New Rites of Ordination and Consecration to be valid accept him to be a validly ordained priest?



    You could ask your sede friend if he thinks Padre Pio was a fraud, too.  Because
    Fr. Gruner met Padre Pio in person, when the saint stopped in his tracks and
    gave Fr. Gruner his blessing, telling him he would have a very important
    apostolate to defend Our Lady, especially regarding the Fatima Message.  So
    your sede friend would need to explain why Padre Pio did not tell him that he
    ought to seek conditional re-ordination or whatever, just to be "sure."



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    Matto, my suggestion is get a new friend.

    There are some intelligent folks here who manage to effect the results of good breeding and manners while remaining convinced sedes.  I appreciate their good will and patience even though I could not possibly more disagree with their conclusions.

    But this old bugaboo that OTHER sedes ( like your friend ) flick from their nostrils at ordained priests of the Catholic Church is simply beyond the pale.


    That's good advice!  



    From the other thread (looks like C-M-7 is already pretty tired, posting there!):

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    Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
    Father Gruner is scheduled to talk about Fatima on Coast to Coast AM tonight, for any who are interested. Coast to Coast AM - Live Nightly 1am-5am EST / 10pm-2am PST

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/


    I would love to hear it, but I will be sound asleep at 1am.
     :sleep:





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    « Reply #13 on: March 03, 2013, 10:23:27 PM »
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  • ...A little under 2 hours to go now.

    I don't have any device for recording C2C shows and posting them on the
    Net.  If someone has such a device it would be great if they could use it
    to post a copy of this for  others to hear.  

    Because if nobody does so, it might be hard to get it posted.  C2C wants you
    to be a subscriber to get access to the archives.  So maybe anyone who is a
    subscriber and has a device could post a VLC player copy or whatever.  

    The show is usually 3 hours long, and Fr. Gruner might not be coming on
    until the second or third hour.  That would be too bad, because I'm sure
    that there is plenty to talk about for 3 full hours.  It's going to be up to the
    programming director at C2C, though.


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    « Reply #14 on: March 03, 2013, 10:29:10 PM »
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  • Hey Neil, can we listen on the Internet for free? :confused1:

     

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