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Fr. Gabriele Amorth believes in Medjugorje???
« on: February 15, 2012, 08:36:56 PM »
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  • I just don't believe it.

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    http://www.medjugorjetoday.tv/3036/top-exorcist-laments-apathy-to-medjugorje/

    Top exorcist laments apathy to Medjugorje

    By Jakob Marschner on Nov 1, 2011

    Ignoring the apparitions in Medjugorje is unforgivable for Christians, says Rome’s leading exorcist who shakes his head at those who wait until the Church has ruled. Speaking of “betrayal” Fr. Gabriele Amorth also lashes out at bishops and priests for being indifferent to the fruits of Medjugorje.


    Fr. Gabriele Amorth (born 1925) was ordained a priest in 1954 and became an official exorcist in 1986. For about 20 years he served as chief exorcist for the Diocese of Rome. In 1990 he founded the International Association of Exorcists whose president he was until his retirement in 2000, now being honorary president for life. Throughout the years Fr. Amorth has embraced Medjugorje, and he has called the place "a great fortress against Satan"

    By willingly failing to pay attention to the Virgin Mary’s apparitions in Medjugorje, a great number of Christians have proven to be no different from pagans. Within this great number, both bishops and priests are included, the leading Catholic exorcist of the past 20 years said in a September 15 interview given to Radio Maria.

    Fr. Gabriele Amorth was speaking at the backdrop of the Virgin Mary’s message of August 25 when she said:

    “Dear children! Today I call you to pray and fast for my intentions, because Satan wants to destroy my plan. Here I began with this parish and invited the entire world. Many have responded, but there is an enormous number of those who do not want to hear or accept my call. Therefore, you who have said ‘yes’, be strong and resolute. Thank you for having responded to my call.”

    “How bitter, how bitter was the last message of Our Lady of Medjugorje, on August 25: ”Many have responded, but there is an enormous number of those who do not want to hear or accept my call’, Fr. Gabriele Amorth first commented.

    “Now look here; it is very sour, this balance. After more than thirty years! More than thirty years! Now if it is the pagans who don’t listen to Our Lady’s words, then that I can understand. But be you a Christian, it is not forgivable. Be you a Christian!”.

    Fr. Gabriele Amorth with visionary Vicka Ivankovic by the late 1980s
    However, according to Fr. Amorth’s experience, the indifference to Medjugorje goes further than that:

    “Even priests and bishops don’t even want to hear about it. It is not that they went there and then made their decision fairly after seeing things for themselves, no! They don’t even want to hear it being spoken about!”

    “The Gospel is so clear, it tells us how to discern! By the fruits you will know the tree! It has been 30 years when Medjugorje has given us fruits that are ultimately exquisite! Confession, conversion, vocations, graces of every kind! For more than 30 years!” the exorcist reminded on Radio Maria.

    “In the Old Testament God sent prophets to warn of the betrayals of the Jєωιѕн people. Now, here, to warn of the betrayal of the Christian people, also the priests, God sends us His Mother! It has been 30 years! Is it possible that people still do not hear? And as for those people who believe themselves to be intelligent by saying they wait until the Church approves? They are fools!” said Fr. Gabriele Amorth.

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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle


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    Fr. Gabriele Amorth believes in Medjugorje???
    « Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 08:45:00 PM »
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  • Really?

    You never thought there was anything incongruent between being an alleged exorcist and being a celebrity priest who appears to revel in the adulation he garners from duping people into believing he has power over the devils?

    Nothing incongruous between the sin of pride implicit in his championing and publicizing of his alleged exorcisms?

    This is the best thing that ever happened.

    Maybe his cult of EWTNish followers will wake up and smell the coffee.

    I mean really, who ever heard of a boasting exorcist?!?!

    I hope I am wrong, but as I have said previously, I predict he goes the way of Fr Corapi.

    "Pride preceded etch the fall."
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Fr. Gabriele Amorth believes in Medjugorje???
    « Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 09:03:18 PM »
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  • I hope he is not that easily deceived by demons.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Fr. Gabriele Amorth believes in Medjugorje???
    « Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 11:18:27 PM »
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  • Seraphim makes a great point. It's hard to imagine how excessive pride or desire for fame and worldly attention would not be a hindrance to an exorcist. This alone should bring him into question, or at least give one pause.


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    Fr. Gabriele Amorth believes in Medjugorje???
    « Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 01:03:18 AM »
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  • I suppose I'm not too familiar with Amorth.  I read a book he wrote that I liked.  


    Quote from: Seraphim
    Really?

    You never thought there was anything incongruent between being an alleged exorcist and being a celebrity priest who appears to revel in the adulation he garners from duping people into believing he has power over the devils?

    Nothing incongruous between the sin of pride implicit in his championing and publicizing of his alleged exorcisms?


    Can the same be said of Malachi Martin, I guess?


    (Malachi Martin was an enormous influence in bringing me into the Church over a decade ago.  Hostage to the Devil, it was.)
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle


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    Fr. Gabriele Amorth believes in Medjugorje???
    « Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 02:51:11 PM »
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  • Not only does Fr. Amorth support Medjugorje, he also gives credit to the fake order, the Beatitudes, in his book.

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    Fr. Gabriele Amorth believes in Medjugorje???
    « Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 05:42:56 PM »
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  • Well I do know two people who, after going to Medegogreia, began very devout lives, saying the Rosary every day. This is not an uncommon occurance, yes I know there are also some weird things going on there but I don't think we can say there has been no good fruit either.

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    Fr. Gabriele Amorth believes in Medjugorje???
    « Reply #7 on: February 17, 2012, 08:46:08 AM »
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  • God can write straight with crooked lines, I guess, but Medjugorje involves some really crooked lines.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir