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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Matthew on July 23, 2009, 10:58:58 AM
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Four boys ages 9 to 14 have been charged with sɛҳuąƖly assaulting an 8-year old girl, police in Phoenix, Arizona, said Wednesday.
The girl was lured into a vacant storage shed by the suspects, who offered her chewing gum, police said at a news conference.
The girl was restrained while the boys -- ages 9, 10, 13 and 14 -- sɛҳuąƖly assaulted her, police said of the July 16 incident.
All the suspects except for the 14-year-old live in the same apartment complex, according to Phoenix police Sgt. Andy Hill. The 14-year-old has been charged as an adult, Hill said.
Detectives said the girl was placed in the custody of Phoenix child protective services after the attack because of her parents' attitude toward her.
The girl and the boys charged are all from families that have come to the United States from the West African nation of Liberia, police said.
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Just got me thinking, that's all.
There are only two possibilities here:
1. Blacks, for some reason, are ending up in prison at a rate 6.5X that of white males because they are more predisposed to crime (culture? religion? temperament? you tell me)
2. The white man is tryin' to keep the black man DOWN!
I seriously doubt #2, considering it's a national phenomena. It's like the mother defending her criminal son, "The police just have something against my poor Joe." Doubtful. The police just do their job, most of the time.
Matthew
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It all stems back from slavery days. White man divided the black family unit when they would separate the family members and sell them off to different owners. So, from the very beginning of their coming to the U.S., black children grew up with no fathers because their father was sold off to another master. This is why black women came to be strong - to be both a father and mother to their children. If a family has no father in the picture, then the children will tend to grow up to be messed up. It's became a vicious cycle.
In addition to the fact that, because of racism and segration, black mails didn't have much economic opportunity after slavery and so turned to crime and ended up in jail.
Also, the fact that the CIA was sending drugs to black inner city neighborhoods so that black men would be dealers. A lot of black men are in jail because of drug dealing and/or murder related to drug deals.
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Blacks had it better as slaves than living in Africa for the most part. We are sick of the same old blame the white man BS. Anyone who uses any form of the agitprop term racist is nothing less than an anti-christ communist.
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It all stems back from slavery days. White man divided the black family unit when they would separate the family members and sell them off to different owners. So, from the very beginning of their coming to the U.S., black children grew up with no fathers because their father was sold off to another master. This is why black women came to be strong - to be both a father and mother to their children. If a family has no father in the picture, then the children will tend to grow up to be messed up. It's became a vicious cycle.
In addition to the fact that, because of racism and segration, black mails didn't have much economic opportunity after slavery and so turned to crime and ended up in jail.
Also, the fact that the CIA was sending drugs to black inner city neighborhoods so that black men would be dealers. A lot of black men are in jail because of drug dealing and/or murder related to drug deals.
That sounds good, until you consider that the Irish were about as hated by American "WASPs" as the blacks were. (WASP = White Anglo Saxon Protestant)
There used to be signs that read, "Irish need not apply here." -- Catholic and Irish were the same thing to many people. People hated both. Irish immigrants were typically very poor.
The KKK were against Catholics, immigrants, AND blacks (among others they hated). The only race/religion that the KKK & know-nothings liked was fellow WASPs: American protestants who came over from England several decades ago.
And Irish men had to leave their families to go Europe -- even to America! to make money to send back home. Plenty of songs were written about this. I'm sure it caused problems in those families as well.
The belief that poverty causes crime has no basis in fact. I strongly disagree with that. That belief is an offense to every honest poor person that ever lived -- including the Holy Family.
All I'm saying is that this must be acknowledged. I'm not saying anything else.
I have to say this, because I've been on message boards long enough to know how people can misunderstand you. Yes, it appears I'm countering a defense of black people, but please don't put any words in my mouth.
Thank you,
Matthew
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Alex is a typical liberal-- what else is new?
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Roscoe, even if that were true, what good does getting angry do?
You should consider where she lives (California) and consider that no fish swims in black ink for years on end and stays bright orange.
From what I've seen and read, Alex is a good Catholic and a fine member of this board.
We should help and pray for each other, and not attack each other more often than not.
Liberalism and other errors, when they are widespread, tend to soak into the best of us. It's very difficult to be completely un-affected by the world around you.
Matthew
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I am not angry-- i just called Alex a liberal and that is true. White people are tired of being blamed for everything by alleged 'minorities' who in truth outnumber Europeans by vast numbers.
http://www.african-tribes.org/african-women.html
I find it ironic that Alex cries the communist term 'racism'and then will deny MK Ultra.
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It is precisly because 'liberalism tends to soak in' that I am bringing this up.
My advice to 'minorities'-- tear up the 'race card' and get on with your life. The victocracy is poison that is destroying you-- not the white man.
http://www.larryelder.com
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And if it isn't enough that white people are the true minority on this planet, our birth rate is below 2 per couple while all other races are close to three per couple. Europeans cannot( can not?) even sustain their own numbers while all others are accelerating. Who are the Commie liberals going to blame when there is no white people left? I guess they will go after the Chinese next.
I wonder why there aren't any black people in China and why Jesse, Sharpton, Maxine et al aren't bitching about that?
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On top of that we have our first Kenyan born president who will try to transform us into a socialist banana republic.
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Blacks had it better as slaves than living in Africa for the most part. We are sick of the same old blame the white man BS. Anyone who uses any form of the agitprop term racist is nothing less than an anti-christ communist.
Once again, how did I know that you would be the first to respond to this thread.
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That sounds good, until you consider that the Irish were about as hated by American "WASPs" as the blacks were. (WASP = White Anglo Saxon Protestant)
There used to be signs that read, "Irish need not apply here." -- Catholic and Irish were the same thing to many people. People hated both. Irish immigrants were typically very poor.
The KKK were against Catholics, immigrants, AND blacks (among others they hated). The only race/religion that the KKK & know-nothings liked was fellow WASPs: American protestants who came over from England several decades ago.
And Irish men had to leave their families to go Europe -- even to America! to make money to send back home. Plenty of songs were written about this. I'm sure it caused problems in those families as well.
The belief that poverty causes crime has no basis in fact. I strongly disagree with that. That belief is an offense to every honest poor person that ever lived -- including the Holy Family.
All I'm saying is that this must be acknowledged. I'm not saying anything else.
I have to say this, because I've been on message boards long enough to know how people can misunderstand you. Yes, it appears I'm countering a defense of black people, but please don't put any words in my mouth.
Thank you,
Matthew
The Irish weren't as badly treated as the blacks - the blacks were treated like non-humans. Furthermore, Irish families still consisted of parents being together. And if the father left to Europe or America, his family had the Catholic faith to aid them. They were living in a Catholic country and a Catholic culture. The blacks had Protestantism with no sacraments and all of society against them (more so than the Irish were).
I got a bachelors in Sociology and I did learn that there was a correlation between poverty and crime. I'm not saying that every poor person is going to be a criminal - but poverty does breed crime. The first gangs and mafia emerged in America in poor Irish and poor Italian immigrants neighborhoods.
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Alex is a typical liberal-- what else is new?
How am I a liberal?
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Roscoe, even if that were true, what good does getting angry do?
You should consider where she lives (California) and consider that no fish swims in black ink for years on end and stays bright orange.
From what I've seen and read, Alex is a good Catholic and a fine member of this board.
We should help and pray for each other, and not attack each other more often than not.
Liberalism and other errors, when they are widespread, tend to soak into the best of us. It's very difficult to be completely un-affected by the world around you.
Matthew
Thank you, Matthew, for coming to my defence. I do have info. on blacks since I went through a phase where I associated with only blacks. My close male friend was black and I dated 2 men who were black whom I was going to marry at one time (one of them ended up becoming my close friend, and still is, after we broke up).
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http://www.african-tribes.org/african-women.html
I find it ironic that Alex cries the communist term 'racism'and then will deny MK Ultra.
I never denied MK Ultra. I just don't think that every single case of pyschological or emotional imbalance in the world is a result of MK ultra (as you seem to think). People can become messed up because of their bad or traumatic upbringing with without having been an MK slave.
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On top of that we have our first Kenyan born president who will try to transform us into a socialist banana republic.
I saw on the news the other day that Obama did come up with a birth certificate that says he was born in the US (in Honolulu I believe). The certificate was shown on TV. Does anyone know anything about this?
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Blacks had it better as slaves than living in Africa for the most part. We are sick of the same old blame the white man BS. Anyone who uses any form of the agitprop term racist is nothing less than an anti-christ communist.
Once again, how did I know that you would be the first to respond to this thread.
Sorry Alex but the fact that YOU were the first to respond to this discussion is WHY YOU ARE A LIBERAl (COMMUNIST). Like Savanarola, you hang yourself.
Go ahead and get it over with-- call me a 'racist'.
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http://www.african-tribes.org/african-women.html
I find it ironic that Alex cries the communist term 'racism'and then will deny MK Ultra.
I never denied MK Ultra. I just don't think that every single case of pyschological or emotional imbalance in the world is a result of MK ultra (as you seem to think). People can become messed up because of their bad or traumatic upbringing with without having been an MK slave.
Having a bad or traumatic upbringing is a big part of MK. I keep bringing this up because people are vastly uninformed as to the true extent of this type of thing. It is terrorfying to understand the full extent of this as it involves many millions of people. Catholics need to lead the fight against this most tremendous evil.
There are some MK deprogrammers out there but most are agnostics, Judaics or Protestants. Untimately the solution can only be implemented by Catholics.
I brought up M Jackson because YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK THAT HE WAS IN FACT AN MK SLAVE AND PROGRAMMER.
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Here's something you may want to look at. It's part of the eugenics operation.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/05/28/lead-violent-crime.html
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Having a bad or traumatic upbringing is a big part of MK.
And a big part of fallen nature is that there are evil people in this world who will do bad do children without them being an MK programmer. Evil people have existed from the beginning of the world - even before MK Ultra came into existence.
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Sorry Alex but the fact that YOU were the first to respond to this discussion is WHY YOU ARE A LIBERAL(COMMUNIST). Like Savanarola, you hang yourself.
Go ahead and get it over with-- call me a 'racist'.
I still don't get it. How does me being the first person to respond make me a liberal?
The only ones I've called 'racist' are those that hate blacks so much that they would want to hurt them. I don't think you, as a practicing Catholic, would be having those feelings (at least, I hope not).
I've been told by a black person that me saying "I have black friends so I can't be a racist" is a racist thing to say. How does that figure in logic? I've said things to a black person that they said was racist, yet, several months down the line, they admit the same thing about their race, yet it is OK if they say it.
To hold certain stereotypes or opinions about a race, even though it be wrong, I wouldn't classify as racist. I would say a racist would be someone who hates a race so much that they have thoughts or desires to hurt that person just because of their race. Or a racist would be someone who has so much hate or disgust at a person of a certain race that they would not even accept being aquaintances with that person.
Since I've been accused of saying racist things, even though I almost married a black man twice and my best friend is black, I know that sometimes people use the word "racist" incorrectly (in my experience, most often it's the blacks who are doing the accusing when a white person says something - even when they themselves know that what was said has truth to it.
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Whats wrong with the term and idea of 'racism' is that it has as much meaning as the word supercalifragialisticexpialidocious. I mean, who dislikes (or at most, actually hates) a people for their skin tone? We are all a certain shade a brown weather we like that or not. There is no 'red, black, yellow, or white' man, there is just human . Why not fuss over people's hair color or height while we are at it? We dislike people or find them repulsive based on their culture or lifestyle. If we find black people repulsive it's because we have come to a point where we associate blacks with the gangster-drug dealing culture, which is exactly the kind of culture that they have adopted and has been set up for them by the Freemasons and Communists. If you dont want a people to advance, corrupt their culture (which is exactly what the Communists have done) It's not the 'white peoples' fault anymore than it is the fault of the red-heads. I think the only way you can hate someone simply for being a different skin color is to be a fervent Neo-Pagan (which is what Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and it's satellite the KKK are).
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The blacks were WAY better off back in the slave days. The stereotype of a Southern aristocrat beating or raping his slave in a cotton field is so far from reality that it's absolutely defamatory. Sure there were some ranchers who abused their slaves, but they were just a handful among thousands of plantation owners (many of whom were fervent Catholics) and had a country gentleman's culture. On the farms the blacks learned many skilled trades, now they are "free" they cant even read. On the plantations they learned courtesy and spoke proper English, now I cant understand them when they talk. Just because they were 'slaves' doesnt mean they had a bad life. We always associate serfdom with a misery that just didnt exist... it's probably because we just cant comprehend the relationship between the Serf and the Lord. It's not romanticism, it's something very real. The Spanish and the Confederates demonstrated this.
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On top of that we have our first Kenyan born president who will try to transform us into a socialist banana republic.
I saw on the news the other day that Obama did come up with a birth certificate that says he was born in the US (in Honolulu I believe). The certificate was shown on TV. Does anyone know anything about this?
He has released his supposed birth certificate saying he was born in Hawaii, but I don't believe it's authentic. It is most likely a forgery. He would never reveal that he was born in Africa.
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Whats wrong with the term and idea of 'racism' is that it has as much meaning as the word supercalifragialisticexpialidocious. I mean, who dislikes (or at most, actually hates) a people for their skin tone? We are all a certain shade a brown weather we like that or not. There is no 'red, black, yellow, or white' man, there is just human . Why not fuss over people's hair color or height while we are at it? We dislike people or find them repulsive based on their culture or lifestyle. If we find black people repulsive it's because we have come to a point where we associate blacks with the gangster-drug dealing culture, which is exactly the kind of culture that they have adopted and has been set up for them by the Freemasons and Communists. If you dont want a people to advance, corrupt their culture (which is exactly what the Communists have done) It's not the 'white peoples' fault anymore than it is the fault of the red-heads. I think the only way you can hate someone simply for being a different skin color is to be a fervent Neo-Pagan (which is what Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and it's satellite the KKK are).
As a corollary to what you said, I am utterly unable to relate to many of my own ethnicity, because they've taken on the "suburban American" culture, where they are generally immature and play with gadgets, watch TV, never think or talk about politics/religion, drink instant-brewed beer, play video games, live superficial lives in cookie-cutter houses, don't do anything practical or outdoors, are far from down-to-earth, etc.
I don't hate American suburbanites OR blacks. But I would have a hard time becoming friends with either -- unless they lived a Catholic and realistic lifestyle.
Matthew
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Sorry Alex but the fact that YOU were the first to respond to this discussion is WHY YOU ARE A LIBERAL(COMMUNIST). Like Savanarola, you hang yourself.
Go ahead and get it over with-- call me a 'racist'.
I still don't get it. How does me being the first person to respond make me a liberal?
The only ones I've called 'racist' are those that hate blacks so much that they would want to hurt them. I don't think you, as a practicing Catholic, would be having those feelings (at least, I hope not).
I've been told by a black person that me saying "I have black friends so I can't be a racist" is a racist thing to say. How does that figure in logic? I've said things to a black person that they said was racist, yet, several months down the line, they admit the same thing about their race, yet it is OK if they say it.
To hold certain stereotypes or opinions about a race, even though it be wrong, I wouldn't classify as racist. I would say a racist would be someone who hates a race so much that they have thoughts or desires to hurt that person just because of their race. Or a racist would be someone who has so much hate or disgust at a person of a certain race that they would not even accept being aquaintances with that person.
Since I've been accused of saying racist things, even though I almost married a black man twice and my best friend is black, I know that sometimes people use the word "racist" incorrectly (in my experience, most often it's the blacks who are doing the accusing when a white person says something - even when they themselves know that what was said has truth to it.
It makes you a liberal for two reasons. First because you felt a need to rationalise black character( which even more than white character is in disarray)!-- there are some of us who do not believe that the white man has ever been persecuting the black man and we view others who do not get this as liberals.
Second YOU accused MOI of being the first to respond to this discussion. Most likely to infer that I am emotion ridden.
Your post has some good points but lacks a next dimension. Ciao
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Again-- it was you who responded first. Ciao
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Drudge still has the same race large race baiting story on the top of his page. The sierra is really getting deep as the way he operates, he leaves the Fri headline up all weekend.
This is a clear effort at incitement and it is in serious doubt whether the Brownback amendment to S909 will be intact after a 'conference committee' combines the semantics of both versions of the legislation.
The possibility is there that S 909 could be signed on 9-9-9 as Congress is back to work on 9/8. 9/9/9 is on a tues.
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Drudge still has the same race large race baiting story on the top of his page. The sierra is really getting deep as the way he operates, he leaves the Fri headline up all weekend.
This is a clear effort at incitement and it is in serious doubt whether the Brownback amendment to S909 will be intact after a 'conference committee' combines the semantics of both versions of the legislation.
The possibility is there that S 909 could be signed on 9-9-9 as Congress is back to work on 9/8. 9/9/9 is on a tues.
You're right. After reading several of your posts it is obvious that you are a smart guy. You must know, then, that Drudge leaves it up for sensationalism. What other issues gets more discussion than race?
Robert