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curiouscatholic23 · « **on:** October 06, 2011, 10:05:56 PM »

I just watched a show on the history channel titled "Secrets of America's Founding Fathers" and it started talking about Benjamin Franklin and this place in England called hellfire caves. Apparently it was used by a lot of freemaonsry elite as a kind of occult/sex club. It kind of shocked me. I knew the founding fathers were masons, but I didn't realize the extent of the occult influence.

Can anyone give me some good information on this, or refer me to a book from a traditional catholic perspective? Im curious about George Washington especially. Was he anti-catholic or neutral?

What was the reaction in the Vatican and in the Catholic world regarding the Revolutionary War? Did the Vatican ever publically support the Brittish since they were a monarchy?

Baskerville · « **Reply #1 on:** October 07, 2011, 12:02:18 AM »

From what I know of George Washington he was a Freemason but he was not hostile to Catholics. There is a story that on the 5th of November Guy Fawlks day when all throughout England and the American Colonies People Burned the Pope in effigy (because of the Gunpowder plot in the 1600's when a Catholic recusant tried to blow up parliament) George Washington would not allow his men to burn the Pope in effigy so as not to offend the Catholics in his army. As far as the Vatican goes. I believe they were neutral. Although I would assume that they would have been on France's side ergo on the US's. Because England though they were a monarchy they were a heretical one not blessed by God whereas the French Monarchy was Catholic and they were our ally. This is just my guess I could be wrong.

A side note about Washington he had many Catholic friends and there is a rumor that he had a death bed conversion. Though personally I think that is just something us American Catholics like to tell ourselves. :wink:

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #2 on:** October 07, 2011, 07:58:40 AM »

Quote from: Baskerville

From what I know of George Washington he was a Freemason but he was not hostile to Catholics

George Washington may have been a good diplomat, in terms of his 'concern' for Catholic soldiers RE: Guy Fawkes Day, but he was CERTAINLY hostile to Catholics by virtue of his MEMBERSHIP in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ at all.

Thomas Jefferson was another God-hating heretic who believed that HE, himself, was able to determine what rightly belonged in Scripture and what didn't.

Whenever you read or hear of the Prots of today claiming that the Founding Fathers were 'Christians', you're looking at a spin like a cyclone. The Founding Fathers were NOT Christians; some were Deists and denied Christ's Divine Humanity, some were universalists who denied the necessity of the One Faith, and still others were 'rationalists', which is a fancy way to say atheistic infidels.

Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is a cult that is bent on eradicating the Church and Her influence from the world. It is EXPLICITLY and TOTALLY CONDEMNED as something NO Catholic should ever have anything to do with.

There is a VERY large 'flea market' sale in my hometown twice a year at a local Freemason lodge; though I LOVE rummage sales, etc, I refuse to even attend their sales because I cannot spend dollar number one to support an organization the very existence of which is an affront to Christ's Church.

Don't kid yourselves: the Founding Fathers were steeped in paganism and their ideas of so-called 'religious liberty' in our new nation were in direct opposition to the authority of Holy Church, let alone all the pretend heretical sects that were fighting for ascendancy in Europe at that time.

St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Baskerville · « **Reply #3 on:** October 07, 2011, 11:15:25 AM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

Quote from: Baskerville
From what I know of George Washington he was a Freemason but he was not hostile to Catholics

George Washington may have been a good diplomat, in terms of his 'concern' for Catholic soldiers RE: Guy Fawkes Day, but he was CERTAINLY hostile to Catholics by virtue of his MEMBERSHIP in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ at all.

Thomas Jefferson was another God-hating heretic who believed that HE, himself, was able to determine what rightly belonged in Scripture and what didn't.

Whenever you read or hear of the Prots of today claiming that the Founding Fathers were 'Christians', you're looking at a spin like a cyclone. The Founding Fathers were NOT Christians; some were Deists and denied Christ's Divine Humanity, some were universalists who denied the necessity of the One Faith, and still others were 'rationalists', which is a fancy way to say atheistic infidels.

Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is a cult that is bent on eradicating the Church and Her influence from the world. It is EXPLICITLY and TOTALLY CONDEMNED as something NO Catholic should ever have anything to do with.

There is a VERY large 'flea market' sale in my hometown twice a year at a local Freemason lodge; though I LOVE rummage sales, etc, I refuse to even attend their sales because I cannot spend dollar number one to support an organization the very existence of which is an affront to Christ's Church.

Don't kid yourselves: the Founding Fathers were steeped in paganism and their ideas of so-called 'religious liberty' in our new nation were in direct opposition to the authority of Holy Church, let alone all the pretend heretical sects that were fighting for ascendancy in Europe at that time.

St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

I agree with you please dont misunderstand. I realize by virtue of being a mason he was hostile to Catholics and the Guy Fawkes day thing was just to appease Catholics in an ecuмenical stance. But when you compare him to the likes of Jefferson or Adams he is downright saintly especially Jefferson.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2011, 01:49:18 PM »

The anti-Catholics in England were very strongly opposed to the British attempt to pacify the colonies.

A certain scottish man who converted to Judaism provoked anti-Catholic riots because of steps by the monarchy that were considered pro-Catholic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_George_Gordon

The Quebec Act was one of the most important causes of the war. By putting much of what would later be the Northwest territory into Quebec and giving freedom of religion to the Catholics in Quebec, the British provoked a fierce response from those who hated Catholicism in the colonies.